Warning Dont Buy Jdm Cc
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quiksilvia
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Warning Dont Buy Jdm Cc
ive noticed lately that many jdm climate controls have been for sale on ebay. these are next to impossible to hook up. although they look tight , they are not worth the money and hassle
Re: Warning Dont Buy Jdm Cc
quiksilvia wrote:ive noticed lately that many jdm climate controls have been for sale on ebay. these are next to impossible to hook up. although they look tight , they are not worth the money and hassle
This is your opinion.I don't like alot of things, but should I start threads for all of them telling people not to buy them?
Quote »This is your opinion.[/quote] yeah since we post nothing but FACTS here in nico ALL the time...Quote »I don't like alot of things, but should I start threads for all of them telling people not to buy them?[/quote] why not, ninjak? Its called freedom of speech, if he doesnt like em go ahead and sound off. Its not like you have to follow what he says...Hell you can post FOR em if you want. Just dont be a little nazi like i see you trying to be all over the place..
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quiksilvia
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well now that i have time to check the post i find that u guys have been busy. ninjak or whatever your stupid name is-shut up. im warning people so they dont waste their money on something that wont work. you suck. everybody else is my best friend and you cant go to my birthday party so poo on you. the nazi joke was great btw.
Heres an idea. I have a R32 clip (no motor no body parts so dont ask) with the interior harness and all AC stuff. I want to take the CC and swap it into my 240. The COLD---------HOT thing on a 240 is cable driven on the R32 it is eletric. Im gona check it all out and see if i can swap that peice and rewire the stuff to work.
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I'll tell you guys what, i'll tell you what I have figured out about how digital AC goes into an S13 or S14 rather than posting negatively.
S13 Digital AC: The 1989-1994 240SX in America was equipped with an analog unit that doesnt have too many major differences from the Japanese(and Australian) analog unit. But one major difference between the two analog models is that the USDM heater control is run off of a wire that is attached to the intake door while the Japanese analog has a button on it that says AUTO and the intake door that controls heat is motorized. This makes it extremely easy for you to install the JDM digtal controller onto the CA or SR dash harness if you have the JDM heater core with the motorized intake door motor. (Heres how to do it if you have a JDM harness... http://www.pandablue.com/nissa...ion=1)
Currently it would be easier to hook up the digital ac controller into a 240SX *if* you used a JDM harness since the connectors would line up and not have to be spliced into the KA harness. But that doesnt meant that it cannot be done (however you probably wont be able to use AC). The back of the KA push control (analog) unit has two sets of pinouts for two connectors. The KA has (from what I can remember) 16 pinouts on its larger connection while the smaller connection has 6 (or 7) pinouts. This is different from the Digital AC unit of the S13 and S14. Both digital units have 20 pinouts on their larger connections and 16 on their smaller connections. The only thing that the KA doesnt have is the intake door motor on the JDM heater core, you should already have the mode door motor and air mix door motor (and bi-level door motor on the S14, though i cannot confirm that without an US S14 FSM). So once you acquire the intake door motor you just need to splice alot of wires.
The S13 and S14 have the same amount of connectors and same plug pattern on the back's. (as shown in this thread http://www.240sxforums.com/for...=5330) However this does not mean they are interchangeable.
While I said that the S13 digital controller has 20 and 16 pinouts, it does not use all of them. So in actuality there are 18 wires running to the larger connector and 10 running to the smaller connector. I have some excellent color pics of this if anyone wants them, since I have the S13 digital AC and most of the general (180SX) dash and wiring harness sitting around in my garage that I bought from swift drift.
The S14 however has 18 wires running from the large connector and 13 running from the smaller connector. Therefore the two cannot be swapped *unless* the wires are moved around. The only real advantage of having the S14 Digital unit are that it is completely covered in the S14 SR20DET FSM (http://www.silviaaustralia.com/techinfo.asp) and with that manual I was able to write up a pinout of the S14 digital unit with the wire colors and what the actual wires do. I need an S13 w/ digital ac FSM to do the same for the S13.
Now if you want the AC to work then you probably dont stand a chance of getting it running without a front clip from an SR. The S13 and S14 with digital controllers have the following items that are not on USDM 240SX's because they work with the AUTO button primarily:In vehicle (temp) sensor - (behind the dash near the gauge cluster - takes temp for digital display.)Ambient sensor - (near the hood striker)Sunload sensor - (photo diode near windshield defroster - Detects sunlight load and adjusts AC accordingly.)
The Point: 1) At the moment AC will not work with the Digital controllers.2) S13 analog to digital swap is still hard to do since the pinouts on the controller are a mystery to me, but once they are figured out and if someone has the S13 USDM FSM for their car then it really should not be too bad. Just lots of splicing and a JDM heater core or at least the intake motor.3) The S14 Analog to digital swap is easier since we know what the pinouts are on the back of the S14 controller. All you would need (from what I can tell) are the intake door motor, and bi-level door if USDM 240SX's did not come with it. You will need the proper FSM for your car and can use that for general wire splicing purposes.4) This is just what I have been able to figure out in a couple weeks of off and on research so do not tell anyone it is "next to impossible" because it can be done. I will admit though that buying the head unit alone will get you prctically nowhere at all you really do need that harness at least for connecting and splicing purposes.
Some pictures of the parts
S13 Digital AC: The 1989-1994 240SX in America was equipped with an analog unit that doesnt have too many major differences from the Japanese(and Australian) analog unit. But one major difference between the two analog models is that the USDM heater control is run off of a wire that is attached to the intake door while the Japanese analog has a button on it that says AUTO and the intake door that controls heat is motorized. This makes it extremely easy for you to install the JDM digtal controller onto the CA or SR dash harness if you have the JDM heater core with the motorized intake door motor. (Heres how to do it if you have a JDM harness... http://www.pandablue.com/nissa...ion=1)
Currently it would be easier to hook up the digital ac controller into a 240SX *if* you used a JDM harness since the connectors would line up and not have to be spliced into the KA harness. But that doesnt meant that it cannot be done (however you probably wont be able to use AC). The back of the KA push control (analog) unit has two sets of pinouts for two connectors. The KA has (from what I can remember) 16 pinouts on its larger connection while the smaller connection has 6 (or 7) pinouts. This is different from the Digital AC unit of the S13 and S14. Both digital units have 20 pinouts on their larger connections and 16 on their smaller connections. The only thing that the KA doesnt have is the intake door motor on the JDM heater core, you should already have the mode door motor and air mix door motor (and bi-level door motor on the S14, though i cannot confirm that without an US S14 FSM). So once you acquire the intake door motor you just need to splice alot of wires.
The S13 and S14 have the same amount of connectors and same plug pattern on the back's. (as shown in this thread http://www.240sxforums.com/for...=5330) However this does not mean they are interchangeable.
While I said that the S13 digital controller has 20 and 16 pinouts, it does not use all of them. So in actuality there are 18 wires running to the larger connector and 10 running to the smaller connector. I have some excellent color pics of this if anyone wants them, since I have the S13 digital AC and most of the general (180SX) dash and wiring harness sitting around in my garage that I bought from swift drift.
The S14 however has 18 wires running from the large connector and 13 running from the smaller connector. Therefore the two cannot be swapped *unless* the wires are moved around. The only real advantage of having the S14 Digital unit are that it is completely covered in the S14 SR20DET FSM (http://www.silviaaustralia.com/techinfo.asp) and with that manual I was able to write up a pinout of the S14 digital unit with the wire colors and what the actual wires do. I need an S13 w/ digital ac FSM to do the same for the S13.
Now if you want the AC to work then you probably dont stand a chance of getting it running without a front clip from an SR. The S13 and S14 with digital controllers have the following items that are not on USDM 240SX's because they work with the AUTO button primarily:In vehicle (temp) sensor - (behind the dash near the gauge cluster - takes temp for digital display.)Ambient sensor - (near the hood striker)Sunload sensor - (photo diode near windshield defroster - Detects sunlight load and adjusts AC accordingly.)
The Point: 1) At the moment AC will not work with the Digital controllers.2) S13 analog to digital swap is still hard to do since the pinouts on the controller are a mystery to me, but once they are figured out and if someone has the S13 USDM FSM for their car then it really should not be too bad. Just lots of splicing and a JDM heater core or at least the intake motor.3) The S14 Analog to digital swap is easier since we know what the pinouts are on the back of the S14 controller. All you would need (from what I can tell) are the intake door motor, and bi-level door if USDM 240SX's did not come with it. You will need the proper FSM for your car and can use that for general wire splicing purposes.4) This is just what I have been able to figure out in a couple weeks of off and on research so do not tell anyone it is "next to impossible" because it can be done. I will admit though that buying the head unit alone will get you prctically nowhere at all you really do need that harness at least for connecting and splicing purposes.
Some pictures of the parts
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*Edit* I did make one mistake, the door motor that we need in America off a JDM car is not the intake door motor. We actually need the air mix door motor.
And while I am throwing out useless information here are the pinouts of the S14 digital AC controller:
B=BlackW=WhiteR=RedG=GreenL=BlueY=YellowOR=OrangeP=Pink
Large Connector (Pins 1-20)1 - R/B - Open/Close Bi-Level Motor2 - R/Y - Open/Close Bi-Level Motor3 - G/W - Fresh/Recirculate Intake Door Motor4 - G/B - Fresh/Recirculate Intake Door Motor5 - G - Defrost Vent6 - R/G - Defrost Vent7 - R - Cold/Hot Air Mix Door8 - L - Cold/Hot Air Mix Door9 - L - Fan F/B10 - L/Y - Fan Out11 - OR/G - Battery12 - L/OR - Ignition13 - R/L - (+)Illumination14 - B - (-)Illumination15 - Unused16 - L/W - (+) Ignition Fan17 - Y - (from) Water Temp Guage18 - Unused19 - Y/B - AC Signal20 - B - Ground
Small Connector (Pins 21-36)21 - L - Mode 1 F/O (Face?)22 - L/R - Mode 3 (Foot)23 - G/Y - Intake 224 - Y - Intake 325 - OR/L - In Vehicle Sensor26 - OR - Sunload Sensor27 - P/L - PBR28 - Y/R - Intake 429 - B/Y - Sensor Ground30 - L/W - Mode 2 B/L (Body/Legs?)31 - L/B - Mode 4 Vent32 - Y/B Intake 133 - P - (+5W) PBR34 - Unused35 - Unused36 - Unused
And while I am throwing out useless information here are the pinouts of the S14 digital AC controller:
B=BlackW=WhiteR=RedG=GreenL=BlueY=YellowOR=OrangeP=Pink
Large Connector (Pins 1-20)1 - R/B - Open/Close Bi-Level Motor2 - R/Y - Open/Close Bi-Level Motor3 - G/W - Fresh/Recirculate Intake Door Motor4 - G/B - Fresh/Recirculate Intake Door Motor5 - G - Defrost Vent6 - R/G - Defrost Vent7 - R - Cold/Hot Air Mix Door8 - L - Cold/Hot Air Mix Door9 - L - Fan F/B10 - L/Y - Fan Out11 - OR/G - Battery12 - L/OR - Ignition13 - R/L - (+)Illumination14 - B - (-)Illumination15 - Unused16 - L/W - (+) Ignition Fan17 - Y - (from) Water Temp Guage18 - Unused19 - Y/B - AC Signal20 - B - Ground
Small Connector (Pins 21-36)21 - L - Mode 1 F/O (Face?)22 - L/R - Mode 3 (Foot)23 - G/Y - Intake 224 - Y - Intake 325 - OR/L - In Vehicle Sensor26 - OR - Sunload Sensor27 - P/L - PBR28 - Y/R - Intake 429 - B/Y - Sensor Ground30 - L/W - Mode 2 B/L (Body/Legs?)31 - L/B - Mode 4 Vent32 - Y/B Intake 133 - P - (+5W) PBR34 - Unused35 - Unused36 - Unused
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