War on Fox

[IBCoupe]

I wonder if that's part of the war, too. Media Matters doesn't need to behave at all times with journalistic integrity - they're not a journalistic organization. I suppose the same can be said about Fox, but they'd probably take issue with it.

[AZhitman]

They might welcome it as a "free pass".

I'm admittedly ignorant to what constitutes a "journalistic organization" - whether it's self-designation, perception, or an actual legal designation.

[IBCoupe]

I go with perception. Kinda know it when you see it.

[AZhitman]

We ran into this in another thread - Entertainer / comedian / journalist?

Rush / Beck / Stewart / Hannity / Maher / et al...

[IBCoupe]

It's becoming trickier to figure out. And that depresses me.

[heliochrome85]

We ran into this in another thread - Entertainer / comedian / journalist?

Rush / Beck / Stewart / Hannity / Maher / et al...

ill make it easy for you:

hack/hack/journalist/hack/hack


ill take my america with a side of socialism please

[AZhitman]

ill take my america with a side of socialism please

Too late, you missed the party. We decided all that two hundred thirty-some years ago. Y'all were too busy being filthy Ottoman bastards back then.

[heliochrome85]

werent your people being that too? wheres bud when you need him for obscure historical references?!


somebody turn on the nerdsignal!

[AZhitman]

werent your people being that too? wheres bud when you need him for obscure historical references?!

No hug for you now.

Far from obscure: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/ottoman.html

You gonna make me go play with the Heeb? Dammit, Tariq.

[heliochrome85]

werent your people being that too? wheres bud when you need him for obscure historical references?!

No hug for you now.

Far from obscure: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/ottoman.html

You gonna make me go play with the Heeb? Dammit, Tariq.

its only genocide if the UN sends a strongly worded letter demanding that they consider stopping sometime soon, or else.

[AZhitman]

Well-played, sir.

Too bad we didn't have a sekrit black muslin presidint (and tomahawk missiles) back then.

[heliochrome85]

Well-played, sir.

Too bad we didn't have a sekrit black muslin presidint (and tomahawk missiles) back then.

i love missiles. so damn awesome. i say we paint all of ours red white and blue.

[AZhitman]

You're nicer than me... I've always liked the idea of stuffing a pig in with the ordinance.

...i kid, i kid...

[stebo0728]

Some of you seem to suffer from an inability to perceive the difference between opinion programming, and news programming.

Yes Fox has alot of OPINION programming, and should be treated as such. Agree with it or dont, its your choice. But I've yet to find any error in their news reporting, well that is besides the over sensationalism of things like the Japan crisis, but all the networks did that. Find me some examples of misreporting, but please be sure you take them from the actual NEWS REPORTS, not from the opinion shows.

[srellim234]

stebo- I quit paying attention to Fox news programming after they had story after story that was factually inaccurate and used it to promote their own agenda. Without digging fo examples I can cite the morning news I watched regarding the Cash For Clunkers program. The reporter reported her own "crack investigation" to conclude that at one point Minnesota had redeemed only 2 claims, not 2%. Likewise, they attempted to scare consumers on a news broadcast with claims of government invasion of privacy that didn't exist. Too many of their "news" broadcast contain factual errors. Reporters aren't held accountable by their superiors for factual mistakes.

I think Fox intentionally blurs the line between news and opinion on their news broadcasts. It provides them exactly the reason you cite as a defense but it makes them unreliable as a news source.

[IBCoupe]

Stebo, read the link in the OP. I heard about what Bret Baier tried to argue on The Daily Show, too. There's substantial evidence (especially with the latest revelation about directing the "Obama is a socialist" meme) that there isn't the wall between News and Opinion programming at Fox that you want us to see.

[AZhitman]

...but, and not to come to anyone's defense, if we can't define it (as you and I have both admitted), then maybe there isn't a "line". You yourself said, "I know it when I see it." And, of course, that's a perception issue, and can vary widely.

[mattblancarte]

OPINION programming

AKA Propaganda.

[IBCoupe]

...but, and not to come to anyone's defense, if we can't define it (as you and I have both admitted), then maybe there isn't a "line". You yourself said, "I know it when I see it." And, of course, that's a perception issue, and can vary widely.

I absolutely agree, and I would never suggest that FOXNews has no news programming; I'm just saying that there's not an established wall that FOX is apparently trying to spin up.

[srellim234]

Some of you seem to suffer from an inability to perceive the difference between opinion programming, and news programming.

Yes Fox has alot of OPINION programming, and should be treated as such. Agree with it or dont, its your choice. But I've yet to find any error in their news reporting, well that is besides the over sensationalism of things like the Japan crisis, but all the networks did that. Find me some examples of misreporting, but please be sure you take them from the actual NEWS REPORTS, not from the opinion shows.

This was presented at the time as news, not opinion. Carlson and Doocy interjected their ridicule after Carlson cited the "crack research" as news fact.
http://minnesotaindependent.com/41041/g ... unkers-two

This had nothing at all to do with opinion and was cited repeatedly on FoxNews as fact:
http://createquity.com/2009/08/fox-news ... ng-in.html

There are tons of examples out there that legitimately call FoxNews' accuracy regarding news reporting into question apart from opinion broadcasting.

[AZhitman]

I'm just saying that there's not an established wall that FOX is apparently trying to spin up.

Absolutely right. If that's the case, they simply can't have it both ways.

Yet another reason I abstain from TV.

[IBCoupe]

Or, at least TV news. I'll watch a half our or so of mindless programming before bed.

[telcoman]

Fox can stay as long as they remove the "news" from the title.

Occasionally they get a scoop story that you won't see anywhere else

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/03/3 ... sed-chair/

Telcoman

[szh]

won't see anywhere else

Really?

ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/US/morbidly-obese ... d=13257442

NY Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... abric.html

Daily Mail (UK): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pital.html

Village Voice: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... _found.php

It was the "Top Story" on TV (albeit local, I suspect. WTRF - is that CBS?): http://www.breitbart.tv/morbidly-obese- ... two-years/

You gotta do your homework properly, telco.

While I am not a particular fan of Fox, being fair is an important thing.

Z

[JoeyBaggs]

Coming out of left field here, surprised we have a political section quite cool actually.....I am a student who recently took Anthropology for my elective and learned throughout history war only helped empires grow, thats how states and countries were formed. Starts off with a small tribe and as they go to war with neighboring tribes they expand so who knows with all this attention in the middle east maybe America is trying to pursue a one world government...... I mean Iraq, Afgan, Libya, soon to be Iran..... black gold might be the resource we crave...... now this is only my opinion feel free to weigh in but remember its not crazy to think outside the box basically dont believe the hype go with patterns only your eyes see

[mattblancarte]

I think to say that, "war only helps," is a tough thing to back up. Perhaps in saying, "If you win wars, it only helps." you may have more solid ground to stand on.

Many nations have fallen in war, but I get your point. Violent conflict is often a chief driving force for change.

I doubt there will be any true one-world government any time soon. Too many different interests, too many different people.

black gold might be the resource we crave...

There's no question. Control of oil is absolutely one of the major influences at play. Not only is it important as a resource, but we need to control trading to sustain a large portion of our economy.

He who controls the spice, controls the universe.

P.S. Welcome to the politics board. Don't worry if someone calls you crazy. Just back up what you are saying with some solid logic and references, when needed.

[AZhitman]

...kinda makes me wonder - Since everyone was squalling, "No War For Oil", and we didn't come home with any oil, maybe we should go back to the old days - y'know, the spoils of war and all that.

Hell, if we're gonna be accused of something, why not benefit from it?

[JoeyBaggs]

Ha exactly, everytime I catch up to the news I hear "and today the rebels have taken back oil rich town" its like really we are only following the rebels if they follow the oil I watch Fox evry now and then just for pure entertainment but dear lord I understand every news network has a position and tend to be biased but man Fox just has no shame talking crazy talk especially with this Beck guy....word is he is pulling an Oprah move and starting his own channel

[stebo0728]

Well, I mean, whats wrong with the barter system? We helped them, I'd say they owe us at least a bit, and if they can pay some debt with oil, why not? We had that option though, if Im not mistaken, and Bush "took the high road" and said no. I think it was more just to say "see it wasnt a war for oil" where as had we taken some it would have been "see it WAS a war for oil". But I was all for getting some, we needed it, and if they could provide it as a payment form for our blood sweat and tears, then so be it. Dont take it at below market value, or i should say below REAL market value, fake inflated market value was a bit high.