Walmart gas...beware..now getting code P0430

[bublightyear]

guys beware of wal-mart gas it may not be the octane it says.

Ok, so I was out of town and had to stop at wally world and thought I would save myself a trip and just get gas there. To my surprise all gas was priced the same so I figured that some DS just keyed in the price wrong when the price changed. At the time I was pretty excited to get premium at 20 cents less per gal. Half a tank later get SES w/ code P0430.

My stealership says that the bad gas killed my cat.contverter...60k...not under warranty. Just really sucks!!!!

[joe603]

I NEVER put that skunk gas in my car...Stick to Chevron, Shell or Conoco IMO.

[SVTCOBRA]

Wife was told by a tanker driver that they discount places get crappy left over gas. Said to NEVER get gas from those places.....

I stay away from them and the mom & pops convenient store pumps!!!

You might want to check out a NEW station with new tanks & filters!

We have some friends that own a new BP station so he's given us a little info.

[Jacko3]

Man, sorry about that---Wally world needs to leave the cheap stuff alone---everything ain't supposed to be made in China.

The G is generally a finicky but reliable car. It loves what it loves. So, to drive a G, one must love the G. Without that love for the G, one can easily experience an emotional and psychological melt-down when the G starts to act up.

[telcoman]

guys beware of wal-mart gas it may not be the octane it says.

Ok, so I was out of town and had to stop at wally world and thought I would save myself a trip and just get gas there. To my surprise all gas was priced the same so I figured that some DS just keyed in the price wrong when the price changed. At the time I was pretty excited to get premium at 20 cents less per gal. Half a tank later get SES w/ code P0430.

My stealership says that the bad gas killed my cat.contverter...60k...not under warranty. Just really sucks!!!!

I'm not convinced it was the gas that caused a catalytic converter failure?I checked the warranty booklet on my 06 and it states that the converter is covered for 8 years and 80000 miles. I also purchased an extended warranty from the dealer for an additional 4 years and I'm covered until 97000 miles & or till 2012.

Check your warranty booklet. You may also want to visit another dealer? If in fact is was bad gas then perhaps a visit to the Walmart manager & or your local district attorney and perhaps a letter to the EPA may help?

I've long been a proponent of the use of regular 87 octane gasoline despite what owners manuals recommend. Its use over a 14 year period & over 100k miles in my previous 92 Lexus had no ill effects.With close to 70k miles on my 06 G35 I have had no problems using regular.I'm currently filling up twice a week at a new WaWA station that opened nearby using 87 octane regular. I've never had a problem using non major brand gasoline

No gasoline station is going to remain in business very long if they are selling inferior or dirty gasoline. You should also be able to find out the last time the gasoline in those tanks was tested?

Good luck

Telcoman Telcoman

[Jacko3]

Dear Telco:

Despite what anyone thinks about you and cheap gas , you are always the man, when it comes to sound advice. +1. Well said!

[SVTCOBRA]

No gasoline station is going to remain in business very long if they are selling inferior or dirty gasoline.

back in the mid-80's my Dodge POS would shut off while turning at low speeds. Talked to the Dodge service dept and they asked what gas I was using. Was using Crown gas. They told me to use a brand name gas such as Exxon or Amoco and my problems would go away. Evidently, their cheaper crappy gas had some component that was clogging my injectors. Switched to Amoco (BP) and haven't had the problem in over 20 years.Oh, and last time I checked there were people still bying Crown gas. There will always be some people willing to go the cheap route.But, you get what you pay for! Not trying to change your ways at your age Telcoman!!! Plus, sounds like you have been lucky with your gas anyway!Heck, I recently ran 87 octane in my SEDAN cause that's all I could find! BUT, it's a name brand. However, my COUPE would stay parked before I put 87 in it!!!

[SteveTheTech]

guys beware of wal-mart gas it may not be the octane it says.

Ok, so I was out of town and had to stop at wally world and thought I would save myself a trip and just get gas there. To my surprise all gas was priced the same so I figured that some DS just keyed in the price wrong when the price changed. At the time I was pretty excited to get premium at 20 cents less per gal. Half a tank later get SES w/ code P0430.

My stealership says that the bad gas killed my cat.contverter...60k...not under warranty. Just really sucks!!!!

Wal-Mart gas is apparently crap I very rarely venture away from my v power. I am surprised though that it is that bad I wonder what the contributing factor to the Catalyst effeciency code is though.

The Cats are covered under federally mandated 8/80K warranty.

A. PERFORMANCE WARRANTY

The Performance Warranty covers repairs which are required duringthe first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use because the vehiclefailed an emission test. Specified major emission control componentsare covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles. If you are aresident of an area with an Inspection and Maintenance (I/M) programthat meets federal guidelines, you are eligible for this warrantyprotection provided that:

* Your car or light-duty truck fails an approved emissions test; and

* Your vehicle is less than 2 years old and has less than 24,000 miles (up to 8 years/80,000 miles for certain components); and

* Your state or local government requires that you repair the vehicle; and

* The test failure does not result from misuse of the vehicle or a failure to follow the manufacturers' written maintenance instructions; and

* You present the vehicle to a warranty-authorized manufacturer representative, along with evidence of the emission test failure, during the warranty period.

During the first 2 years/24,000 miles, the Performance Warrantycovers any repair or adjustment which is necessary to make yourvehicle pass an approved, locally-required emission test and as longas your vehicle has not exceeded the warranty time or mileagelimitations and has been properly maintained according to themanufacturer's specifications.

EPA Website Warranty Site

[bublightyear]

Thanks guys, I'll check w/ dealer again. But you can guarantee that I'll not be filling up at w-m again.

[telcoman]

I can't speak for other states but here in NJ we have mandatory state inspection as required by the EPA. New vehicles do not have to be reinspected for 4 years then every 2 years thereafter including an emissions test.

Gasoline sold at retail stations is tested by state inspecters that lower a test container into the tank. I occasionally see them. Consumer reports, Car Talk and many other sources have frequently stated that the use of regular 87 octane gasoline in most cases will not harm a modern engine. The CPU will adjust the timing and I have never heard a ping even under hard acceleration.Your eighties POS did not have a CPU but you probably could have retarted the timing?

We have a refinery here in NJ and the tanker trucks that fill up the major brands or the independant stations all look the same with no brand names on them. Many times the independants will get what is left in the trucks at a lower price but the gasoline is the same.

When traveling, I usually fill up at busy truck stops such as Petro

Telcoman

[soul_hfk]

walmarts=crap i would never put that crap in my car ever and ill pay more then to waste money there

[G37 Man]

I can't speak for other states but here in NJ we have mandatory state inspection as required by the EPA. New vehicles do not have to be reinspected for 4 years then every 2 years thereafter including an emissions test.

Gasoline sold at retail stations is tested by state inspecters that lower a test container into the tank. I occasionally see them. Consumer reports, Car Talk and many other sources have frequently stated that the use of regular 87 octane gasoline in most cases will not harm a modern engine. The CPU will adjust the timing and I have never heard a ping even under hard acceleration.Your eighties POS did not have a CPU but you probably could have retarted the timing?

We have a refinery here in NJ and the tanker trucks that fill up the major brands or the independant stations all look the same with no brand names on them. Many times the independants will get what is left in the trucks at a lower price but the gasoline is the same.

When traveling, I usually fill up at busy truck stops such as Petro

Telcoman

Correct me if wrong but didn't NJ have a few dealers of different gas stationshave problems with water in the gas a few months back that caused cars to stall out?

[telcoman]

Correct me if wrong but didn't NJ have a few dealers of different gas stationshave problems with water in the gas a few months back that caused cars to stall out?

Yes, you are correct. I believe that one or two stations on the Garden State Parkway were affected a few months ago and they paid for the repairs of the affected vehicles. They were however major brand stations. I'll try to search & look it up.

Water in gasoline tanks is a different issue than referring to non branded gasoline as "crap" I had a water separator installed in my 1980 Diesel Rabbit to prevent water from entering the injectors.

Whether its regular 87 octane, 91 octane or 93 octane, the gasoline is chemically all the same whether it has a brand name attached or not. Marketing and franchise fees adds costs to the product which will account for higher pump prices at major brands such as Shell, Exxon/Mobil, Chevron etc. vs non branded independent stations. Purchasing gasoline under contract vs purchasing on the spot market also accounts for a price difference.Just because the product is a few cents cheaper per gallon at an independent station does not necessarly mean the product is crap.

Telcoman

[Jacko3]

Telco:

So, if they are all the same, when does big marketers like Chevron add their Techron to the gas before trucking to the gas station?

[telcoman]

Correct me if wrong but didn't NJ have a few dealers of different gas stationshave problems with water in the gas a few months back that caused cars to stall out?

Yup, it was on the Garden State Parkway.

They wanted to charge for access to the complete article so I could only copy a portion of it.

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[telcoman]

Telco:

So, if they are all the same, when does big marketers like Chevron add their Techron to the gas before trucking to the gas station?

I don't know but I was in Florida a couple of weeks ago and filled up the Hyundai rental at a Marathon station with regular.

It made it to the rental return at the airport with no problem.

I've driven my G to Florida a few times and had no problem using non branded 87 Octane gasoline.

[Kendahl]

Telcoman is right on this. There are EPA minimum standards for gasoline. Anything that meets these standards is good enough. If it doesn't meet them, it's not legal to sell. An individual station can have problems, due to defective equipment, but not an entire chain.

For several years, I bought gas at a neighborhood bar that had a couple of gas pumps out front. They had the lowest prices in the area. Cash only, no credit cards or checks. I have no idea where they got their gas. For certain, it wasn't "Top Tier". My cars ran fine on it. I now buy Sinclair gas because they give me a 5% discount when I pay with their credit card. When my Subaru's engine was apart to replace a leaking head gasket, the mechanic commented that it was very clean, unlike many of the engines he repairs. He attributed this to my heavy throttle foot, not to the gas I use.

[Jacko3]

Kendahl:

Thanks for confirming why I flog my car. I have been saying it for a while that my G behaves exceptionally when flogged versus when not flogged. Something about the design of the car that I am still not sure of, that requires a heavy foot for it to operate properly.

[marlin29311]

guys beware of wal-mart gas it may not be the octane it says.

Ok, so I was out of town and had to stop at wally world and thought I would save myself a trip and just get gas there. To my surprise all gas was priced the same so I figured that some DS just keyed in the price wrong when the price changed. At the time I was pretty excited to get premium at 20 cents less per gal. Half a tank later get SES w/ code P0430.

My stealership says that the bad gas killed my cat.contverter...60k...not under warranty. Just really sucks!!!!

I highly doubt that one tank of gas killed the car - it's not like they filled your tank up with Sprite!

Whether its regular 87 octane, 91 octane or 93 octane, the gasoline is chemically all the same whether it has a brand name attached or not. Marketing and franchise fees adds costs to the product which will account for higher pump prices at major brands such as Shell, Exxon/Mobil, Chevron etc. vs non branded independent stations. Purchasing gasoline under contract vs purchasing on the spot market also accounts for a price difference.Just because the product is a few cents cheaper per gallon at an independent station does not necessarly mean the product is crap.

Actually, not all gas is created equal. While all crude is the same, refined the same...etc, the gas that you buy at some stations is not the same as others. All gas in the US is regulated by the EPA - this means that you are ok with putting it in your car. However, not all gasolines contain the same amount of detergents that are designed to keep your engine running clean.

http://www.toptiergas.com/ - 6 of the top auto makers in the world only recognize certian brands as containing the proper amount of detergents to keep your engines running properly and for long lives.

So while the base of your fuel is the same, the end product is not. If all gas was the same, we would have perfect competition in the fuel market and all prices would be the same too...

[Jacko3]

Interesting! I guess Nate was somewhat right about BP---no where to be found on that list. And I guess i was right about Chevron---second on the list on the websire provided. I am still unsure about Quiktrip, and yet I saw my Infiniti dealership marketing Quiktrip as the gas of choice when i went to buy some routine maintenance parts for my car this weekend.

[bublightyear]

I highly doubt that one tank of gas killed the car - it's not like they filled your tank up with Sprite!

So while the base of your fuel is the same, the end product is not. If all gas was the same, we would have perfect competition in the fuel market and all prices would be the same too...

Ok, so you chimed in why??? working for a oil company/walmart trying to make them look better?BTW I have a friend thats a Ford tech & that dealership has replaced 13 cat.converters this summer that came in with complaints like mine. It may not be Sprite but something is obviously wrong with the gas in this area.

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

I Love my V-power... I am trying to find a station that sells 100 or 104 grade fuel!

What fun that would be!

Any one know where I can find shell racing fuels?

DJ

[bublightyear]

Shell lists this site http://www.multimap.com/client...ng=en & customer service at 800 7318888

[marlin29311]

Ok, so you chimed in why??? working for a oil company/walmart trying to make them look better?BTW I have a friend thats a Ford tech & that dealership has replaced 13 cat.converters this summer that came in with complaints like mine. It may not be Sprite but something is obviously wrong with the gas in this area.

I chimed in because otherwise there would be no other ideas floating around and you would all think that the first answer was the right answer. Before you go and start accusing me of stuff look around at my posting history and my profile. If you did, you would see that I work in the insurance industry, and a lot of my recent posts deal with Shell's V-Power, which is the only thing that I put in my car. I hate Wal-mart and everything that they do and refuse to buy anything there.

Maybe Ford sucks at making cars - hence their issues with their CAT converters. O, I'm sorry, did you not want to hear someone talk about this too?

Try actually READING what I said - I noted that not all gas is equal. You buy independent brand gas, you might not be getting the best fuel for your car. I still stand by my comment that one tank of bad gas didn't destroy your CAT. If it only took one tank of slightly bad gas to break something in your car, all my old cars should have died from water in the line already...

[zozoka1212]

C'mon guys. Where is the love?

hahahahah

We should just and move on.

Cheers

zozo

[marlin29311]

Sorry, I just dont enjoy being accused of crap by people....

...and this damn cold is making me a cranky

I agree, i could go for some

[joe603]

Easy guys...

Walmart sucks... 'nuf said.

[awdjdmtalon]

The only way I see one tank full killing your cats, is if you got diesle mixed in w/ it. But then it would run like $hit. I know I had this happen to a car of mine before. And it only took about 1/8 a tank to kill them from the misfires.

Doubtfull it was Wal-Mart gas that caused it. Cats fail all the time. They wear out. They have exh. gasses in excess of 500deg C. passing throught them.

Several factors can lead to cat failure. And the fact that things just fail.

How many times have you relpaced light bulbs at home. And the next day one of the new ones blows, but all the others continue to work for years to come? It is just the nature of the beast.

But the gov't does mandate the warrany on emission parts. So if your car is still w/ in the miles and time, then the dealer can not turn down your claim, w/o proving that YOU did something to cause the cat failure.
Modified by awdjdmtalon at 7:17 AM 10/11/2008

[adren77]

I chimed in because otherwise there would be no other ideas floating around and you would all think that the first answer was the right answer. Before you go and start accusing me of stuff look around at my posting history and my profile. If you did, you would see that I work in the insurance industry, and a lot of my recent posts deal with Shell's V-Power, which is the only thing that I put in my car. I hate Wal-mart and everything that they do and refuse to buy anything there.

Maybe Ford sucks at making cars - hence their issues with their CAT converters. O, I'm sorry, did you not want to hear someone talk about this too?

Try actually READING what I said - I noted that not all gas is equal. You buy independent brand gas, you might not be getting the best fuel for your car. I still stand by my comment that one tank of bad gas didn't destroy your CAT. If it only took one tank of slightly bad gas to break something in your car, all my old cars should have died from water in the line already...

I agree with this guy... Ford does suck.

[SVTCOBRA]

I agree with this guy... Ford does suck.

Did you have a bad experience with a Ford product??