It's been a short time coming, but I finally made it.
I couldn't have done it without your whorish leadership '1der.
I'll make this a useful thread I guess.
What is your opinion on Social Security?
I really don't like it. I mean, why should old people be supported by working class people? I don't see why people can't just set aside a little money ever paycheck in an investment or 401k plan for retirement. This makes alot more sense to me then to have them sucking up young peoples money.
Wah Hoo 2000th post!
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yeah...he is indeed a nugget...
and the "old people" payed in on their paychecks for oh...40+ years...I see nothing wrong with social security...it's just we're gonna be in a fix because there's not gonna be much left by then...unless we start killing people off before they're old enough to collect.
and the "old people" payed in on their paychecks for oh...40+ years...I see nothing wrong with social security...it's just we're gonna be in a fix because there's not gonna be much left by then...unless we start killing people off before they're old enough to collect.
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Cool. I hit 2000 a few days ago and didn't even notice.
As for social security, I agree completely that people should take responsibility and put money away for a 401k. HOWEVER, I have seen firsthand how social security (note that second word "security." That means it's there as a safety net) can be a lifesaver. My grandparents invested money all their lives. They were comfortably secure financially. But then, recently (1 or two years ago?) there was that mini-stock market crash, and they were advised to sell some stock by my aunt. They did as she suggested before consulting anyone else and discovering that my aunt didn't know what she was talking about, and they lost a LOT of money...something like $200,000. But because social security was there to fall back on, they had a chance to regain a LOT of that money, and their financial security through careful investments.
As for social security, I agree completely that people should take responsibility and put money away for a 401k. HOWEVER, I have seen firsthand how social security (note that second word "security." That means it's there as a safety net) can be a lifesaver. My grandparents invested money all their lives. They were comfortably secure financially. But then, recently (1 or two years ago?) there was that mini-stock market crash, and they were advised to sell some stock by my aunt. They did as she suggested before consulting anyone else and discovering that my aunt didn't know what she was talking about, and they lost a LOT of money...something like $200,000. But because social security was there to fall back on, they had a chance to regain a LOT of that money, and their financial security through careful investments.
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Ouch. YEah, I understand that it's a safety net. But there are people like my Uncle who become disabled at a young age, ~40, and can't pay in anymore. And He started collecting SS! He gets about 2000 a month from it. But I can guarantee you that he NEVER paid in $2000 a month ever in his lifetime. It is people like this that will lead to SS' demise.
Then there are people like my grandmother. She is ~70 years old and gets a check for ~$700 from SS. That's quite a big difference.
Note that my Uncle is married and his spouse is still working. So they have an income on top of SS!
Then there are people like my grandmother. She is ~70 years old and gets a check for ~$700 from SS. That's quite a big difference.
Note that my Uncle is married and his spouse is still working. So they have an income on top of SS!
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Something we are most certainly NOT doing right now...
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The primary cause of its failure was not actually putting SS into some form of interest bearing account. It would be doing just fine and would have survived through the baby boomers if the govt had not used the cash for stupid programs or wasteful spending.
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They could of atleast put the money into bonds and allow it to gain interest at ~5% annually.audtatious wrote:The primary cause of its failure was not actually putting SS into some form of interest bearing account. It would be doing just fine and would have survived through the baby boomers if the govt had not used the cash for stupid programs or wasteful spending.
But no, they just keep taking money out and using it. And sometimes they put the money back, but with NO interest!
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and? What did he say? I'm guessing he didn't just come right out and tell you it's gonna fail when the baby boomers retire?nismofly wrote:Bush gave a speech up here about social security last thursday
haha yeah...im in the air force rotc here, and the dad of one of the other cadets is the head of the fbi in the upper midwest or something like that, so he got me and a few other cadets for security stuff. we got to stand guard in our dress blues and everything.
the doors on the prez's limo are like 10 in thick armor too, i got a nice profile angle when one was open, i was just like, daammn
the doors on the prez's limo are like 10 in thick armor too, i got a nice profile angle when one was open, i was just like, daammn
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IIRC, they're standard door sizes. They are taken apart and rebuilt with like 2~4in of steel. Now, I think the windows are like 1in Lexan. Run Flat Tires.
I watched one of those shows on the History channel about the presidents limo. It was pretty cool. IIRC, JFK was the last president to ride in a convertable in public.
I watched one of those shows on the History channel about the presidents limo. It was pretty cool. IIRC, JFK was the last president to ride in a convertable in public.
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I think that limo actually weighs about 16,000 pounds or more...
the armor isn't that thick either...it's about an inch or so and really really damn hard and heavy. we got to play with a smaller panel of it (like 2x5 feet or so) and we beat it drilled it and put some spark on it...nothing.
to mount it, they have to use a really really hot torch and melt it some then run bolts through it...pretty cool....the glass however is about 4 inches thick. it can stop a freakin' RPG (not talkin' Final Fantasy here either...grenades! woo!)
it's got 360 degree protection and ports all over it for the agents inside to fire out...of any part...the gun port would probably be the weakest....
yeah, Kennedy was the last to ride in a 'vert...'63 4 door Continetal...really cool car.
I believe the presidential limo has a top speed of like 30 or 45 MPH tops...
the armor isn't that thick either...it's about an inch or so and really really damn hard and heavy. we got to play with a smaller panel of it (like 2x5 feet or so) and we beat it drilled it and put some spark on it...nothing.
to mount it, they have to use a really really hot torch and melt it some then run bolts through it...pretty cool....the glass however is about 4 inches thick. it can stop a freakin' RPG (not talkin' Final Fantasy here either...grenades! woo!)
it's got 360 degree protection and ports all over it for the agents inside to fire out...of any part...the gun port would probably be the weakest....
yeah, Kennedy was the last to ride in a 'vert...'63 4 door Continetal...really cool car.
I believe the presidential limo has a top speed of like 30 or 45 MPH tops...
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Talk about free advertising: Cadillac's first "customer" for its redesigned, 2006 DTS will be President George W. Bush, who will ride in a black limousine version of the new car during his inaugural parade on Jan. 20.
The mass-production version of General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) new 2006 DTS sedan, which will make its first public appearance at February's Chicago Auto Show, is not an overhaul but merely a facelift. A presidential appearance in a Cadillac is also not an entirely new thing.
One of the first chief executives to ride in a Cadillac was Woodrow Wilson, who took one through the streets of Boston during a World War I victory parade. Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower used two 1938 Cadillac convertibles named the "Queen Mary" and the "Queen Elizabeth" after great ocean liners of the day. These 7,660-pound cars had full ammunition arsenals, two-way radios and heavy-duty generators.
The predecessor to President Bush's current limo was a 2001 Cadillac DeVille limo (DTS stands for "DeVille Touring Sedan," and the new model will be Cadillac's only DeVille from now on). Both the new DTS limo and sedan have redesigned front and rear ends and look more like other contemporary Cadillacs than the outgoing DeVille. For example, they have such familiar Cadillac design elements as vertical xenon headlights and LED taillights.
The DTS limo is longer, wider and taller than its sedan counterpart will be. It seats six passengers and has a concealed, foldaway desktop. The rear seats have adjustable reclining features and adaptive seat systems, which sense the position of the occupants and automatically adjust the cushions for added comfort.
Fans of the regular DeVille--and many exist--will have to wait until the third quarter of this year to purchase the new DTS.
The mass-production version of General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) new 2006 DTS sedan, which will make its first public appearance at February's Chicago Auto Show, is not an overhaul but merely a facelift. A presidential appearance in a Cadillac is also not an entirely new thing.
One of the first chief executives to ride in a Cadillac was Woodrow Wilson, who took one through the streets of Boston during a World War I victory parade. Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower used two 1938 Cadillac convertibles named the "Queen Mary" and the "Queen Elizabeth" after great ocean liners of the day. These 7,660-pound cars had full ammunition arsenals, two-way radios and heavy-duty generators.
The predecessor to President Bush's current limo was a 2001 Cadillac DeVille limo (DTS stands for "DeVille Touring Sedan," and the new model will be Cadillac's only DeVille from now on). Both the new DTS limo and sedan have redesigned front and rear ends and look more like other contemporary Cadillacs than the outgoing DeVille. For example, they have such familiar Cadillac design elements as vertical xenon headlights and LED taillights.
The DTS limo is longer, wider and taller than its sedan counterpart will be. It seats six passengers and has a concealed, foldaway desktop. The rear seats have adjustable reclining features and adaptive seat systems, which sense the position of the occupants and automatically adjust the cushions for added comfort.
Fans of the regular DeVille--and many exist--will have to wait until the third quarter of this year to purchase the new DTS.
Over 100,000 Devilles are sold each year, many to livery services, many to boomers who've always aspired to own a Caddy.
In many ways I prefer the Town Car. The interior finish is nicer and the drive wheels are on the proper end of the vehicle, although the Deville has almost no noticeable torque steer.
Car and Driver did a comparison last year or two years ago. The Deville came out on top for the Northstar V8, stiffer chassis, and its more driver-friendly seating and handling.
If I was shopping around for a roomy domestic V8 I'd probably pocket some cash and buy a Bonneville GXP.
In many ways I prefer the Town Car. The interior finish is nicer and the drive wheels are on the proper end of the vehicle, although the Deville has almost no noticeable torque steer.
Car and Driver did a comparison last year or two years ago. The Deville came out on top for the Northstar V8, stiffer chassis, and its more driver-friendly seating and handling.
If I was shopping around for a roomy domestic V8 I'd probably pocket some cash and buy a Bonneville GXP.
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watching them pull the stuff out the two armored buses really helped.PoorManQ45 wrote:OMG, I think this is your most informative post!
Good information. Thanks for the corrections
they had to use the forklift for a few days...pretty funny too....they loaded it all up onto a rollback marked police complete with red and blue lights...
man what I'd give to see that thing kick some a** in a high speed chase...