VQ35DE in S13 in progress.....

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RB25CRAZY....

Just email me personally and I'll give you a quote. The S14 accepts the transplant better than the S13 does....but also requires more wiring. In any case, The price should be no different for S13 and S14. $7500.00 covers the engine/trans/driveshaft/wiring/ECM and BCM/ and one Key. All installed....oh, and an exhaust too. It can be cheaper or more expensive, depending on the motor (FWD VQ or RWD, 265 hp, 285 hp, 305 hp, or HR..new for 07).

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I think I missed it but is this being backed as a dealer option?

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NO....not backed by the dealer. I could possibly work something out with my dealership should someone prefer we build them an entire car and then sell them everything after its done....but that would be like a $10K to $15K 240SX. Granted, if you were to purchase a car through us and have me build it, you might spend less in the end, than if you bought it all seperate. Thats up to you.

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heres an alternate link i found

http://s141.photobucket.com/pl...&ap=1

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ooooh i see i see

very nice, motor mounts seem a tad soft no?

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B-e-a-utiful! Looking fantastic man!

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Which dealership in Charlotte do you work at???

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Yes, the motor mounts did suprise me as they are stock Silvia mounts (SR20 Motor...which I believe to be the same as stock KA mounts). Then again.....

The real reason for the pitch may be that I didnt have the trans mount in...basically I was in such a hurry to get the footage (dealership was closing), that I didnt install it. Remember I had to reposition the motor, so the trans mount needed to be repositioned as well. All that will be wrapped up soon.

Also, I looked at the other link posted and video looked to be a paused image of the first frame......sound was good though. Not sure whats going on, here's the other link from my photobucket, just in case.

http://s141.photobucket.com/al...1.flv

Thanks for all the support guys!!!

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For you guys looking to do it yourself and cut back on the complexity, check out Sport Compact Car, September 2006 issue. They use a FWD VQ35 and standalone engine management, and although it can't use VVT, it's a much simpler option. But to the OP, mad mad props for using all the factory equipment, thats seriously awesome. Even down to the laser coded keys, this is amazing. Also for engines, transmissions, and other parts, check out http://www.car-part.com/

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Yeap, the few VQ powered 240sx that are running around have standalone systems, which....greatly reduces complexity when it comes time to drive, but requires dyno time. With this setup, you just put it in and drive away. No dyno time, no chance to blow you engine by a keystroke and more power out of the box. Though a very good tune with a very good cam will yeild the factory HP ratings or more, a basic standalone tune will result is less power. I know because I've seen it done. I also know that with the stock 2003 ECM, a piggy back (like the E-Manage Ultimate), a performance upper intake manifold and full exhaust, can yeild approx. 370 RWHP. Not bad seeings how the stock ECM was only good for 285 crank HP. Yes, most of the tunning in the stock ECM is for emissions purposes rather than power (retarded intake cams durring deceleration) and mild advance at normal throttle range....durring aggressive driving, the cams light up with over 40 degrees of advance, fuel flow is correct for max power and even the throttle is controlled precisely across the RPM range to achieve optimum airflow velocity to atomize the fuel in the intake charge. Basically as close as you can come to the ol' sayin

" A lady on the street but a freak in the bed!"

I really hope the standalone companies can come up with a way to match this, but for now, its not happening....but oh when they do!

Also, any decent standalone will cost from $850-$2000. Stock ECM, stock BCM, wiring, one key and a NATS antenna amp will cost around $400. If the power doesnt make sense, the money will. Even new from the factory, the Key is $75, the NATS Amp is like $100....now the ECM and BCM.....if you cant get them used, you better go standalone cause your looking at $3000.00 + for the two of them.

Standalones are great....they are equivelant to a 4 barrel carb to the older crowd. Sad thing is...now standalones are for the older crowd....atleast untill they catch up to the manufacturers, which I assume will only be a matter of time. 'By the way......FWD VQ's are only 10.0:1 compression (except for the Altima SE-R which is the same as the Z). Therefore a new set of pistons will be needed to get the 10.3:1 in the 03-06 Z and the 10.6:1 compression in the 07 Z. FWD VQ's require new oil pans, upper and lower intake manifolds, drivers side valve cover (or trim that VC and the manifold for the oil cap to fit), exhaust manifolds, intake piping, etc. To do it with a FWD is alot of work....trust me...I did all that to this engine.....down to the pistons, but for anyone wanting to do this at home.....just get a set from a G or a 350Z.....oh, and should you want the HR motor, its only in the G sedan for 07, not the coupe....and of course its in the Z.

Great input guys, glad to see suggestions and recommendations. As far as bang for the buck.....stock components from a rear end totaled Z is the way to go.

Did I mention the Z has a very nice R200V diff???

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theres a nice, but wrecked track 03 350z on ebay for about 6900 buy it now... low miles, brembos, nice black interior, rays wheels....eww so temting.

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That would be the way to go. The brakes wont fit without mounting modifications. The bolts thread into the spindle now, unlike the old brembo's (skyline 6 piston) and nissan knockoffs which bolt into the caliper. Other than that, to have a complete car would be simply sick. Gauges could be used, etc.

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Yeah, you need a lot of parts off of the RWD VQ, but the block itsself is cheaper, so if you can sell the exhaust manifolds, intake manifolds, etc and pick up the same components from a RWD version, then you'd be good to go. As far as the pistons go, you could swap them over if you really want. The only reason I suggested the Maxima VQ is because of the drastically reduced price. I have found them woth 30k on them for a little under $1000 in some junkyards. Also since the mount locations are further back on the FWD variants, there's more room in between the engine and firewall after the install, even if it moves the weight foreward a bit.

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ISCARIOT....

I appreciate your input, and yes, the Maxima Engine is cheaper, but there's more to a FWD conversion than I think you know. I have done the math and it is more expensive to use a FWD block. If you care to argue pricing and standalones, open a new thread for that. This thread is being posted to show how to do the swap with the Z ecu, make it run, and do it without a dyno. For 99% of the those reading this....this would be the way they would/will do it.

Again, your input is never unnappriciated, all input is good to show others different prespectives.

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Sorry man, not trying to threadjack. Awesome work on this swap, seriously. And for the price you advertise, I might have to make a road trip down to NC this summer.

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I am about to start on my own s13/VQ35 project myself. Most of the stuff that needs to be done looks like its not that big of a deal, just alot of time and money. I would really like your help with the motor mounts. Please can you help a guy out.

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Oh my god i love this place! this is only my third day with NICO but i've learned and seen so much more here than ever before. super mad props to you on the VQ swap. just sat down today and read every post from beginning to end and loved it. i envy the hell out of your job and i wish i had the money to do one myself. It's different, clean and just too damn cool! NICE WORK

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Sure, I can sell you some mounts. Just tell me what motor (FWD or RWD).

Also, I need to make a correction.

Altima SE-R motors are only 10.0:1, not 10.3:1....so its still just a quest motor.

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Rwd and I will take any helpfull information that you can give me. If you do not mind, where are you located? If it is not that far I would love to check out your work up close, so far that car looks great. As for my s13 I bought it with a blown ka24e and put in a ka24de, it was cheap and pretty easy. I just bought a used set of five lug adavn rg1s and some other stuff for my car. I came across the VQ35de and had to jump on it. So thanks for the info so far and hope to be able to swap some back with you in the future.

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Where is Queen NC?

And if you havn't joined carolinanissans.com yet you are very welcome to, I'm sure some local guys would love to meet you and see this engine of yours. It looks really nice.

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I put Queen NC, but it's just short for the Queen City. Charlotte.

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do you have price and how soon can I get those mounts please? thanks

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i cant seem to view thevideo. please send a new link

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I really wanna do this Swap. Time to go to the junkyard ^_^

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I have been talking to some guys I know down here and I have someone who is going to make a set of custom headers for me. I am going more for the sleeper look so I will be runing a single out let. He will have the collectors run together I will try to use turbo exhaust, we will see how that turns out. I showed him all the pics of the transmission work and he will be doing that for me as well. Thanks for all of your help so far and once mine gets rolloing I will post some pics as well.

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hello

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Anymore luck with the S13?

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240_l3oi wrote:i cant seem to view thevideo. please send a new link
240sxautox wrote:http://s141.photobucket.com/al...1.flv

that should work
Reno wrote:heres an alternate link i found

http://s141.photobucket.com/pl...&ap=1
look in page 4...

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if somebody is asking for a link i'm not going to refer them to a different page... i like to just simplify the process... it takes me 2 seconds, when it could take them 5 minutes... not an inconvenience for me at all.


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