VQ30DET in a 240SX

Post by **Streetconcepts13** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

you can get an RB20DET from Venus auto for under 2k front clip. i know 2 people who have done it and they said its been great and it pulls alot harder then the people with SR20's, Its much faster then the SR20 Engine.

Check it out

Post by **pstickne** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

Due to fitment/space issues I'll probablly end up getting a RB25DE[T] ... sometime ... have kits and everything for it these days. I'm not planning on modding the internals so availability of engine parts isn't critical -- hopefully :-)

It would be nice to make a mid-90's maxima sleeper (and they are already damn fast -- at least with the VQ30 and m/t)

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

the vg30det is smaller than the vq30det? maybe the block is smaller due to a smaller bore and iron construction, but the heads are a lot wider. also, the vg30det has no intercooler right? i agree that any v6 with a turbo is going to be tight. maybe a single turbo mounted up front like the jun z32 single turbo racecar. come to think of it, that would be high dollar.

Post by **Porschephile** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

Have you ever seen a Vg30det or Vq30det in person? The Vg30det isn't much bigger than the Vg30et. Of course the intake manifold and heads are bigger since it's DOHC but it isn't that much larger. However, the vq30det has an engine "cover" that makes it quite a bit larger. Of course, this cover can be removed and not used though, the intake manifold design is still a bit larger. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the Vg30det and VQ30det, were very similar in size.

Anyways, whether or not they are the same size, or one larger than the other, check out this pic of a Datsun 510 w/ a Vg30det. If that fits the 510 engine bay, I'm pretty sure you could get one in a 240sx!

Vg30det

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

nope, never seen either one in person. i have however seen quite a few vg30de, vg30dett, and vq30de engines. i just speculated according to what i had seen.

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

it would be really noble of you if you could put one of those super rare motors in your ride, although, at the end of it all, you still might not be able to keep pace with an SR powered 240sx (wouldn't that be a damn shame?) Also, it might cost you alot of money to custome fabricate everything to install it properly (since you will be the first). Not trying to talk you out of it, I'd love to see it, but in all honesty, to meet your needs (250-300hp), I think an RB25 is all you need.

Post by **Porschephile** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

s14=pimpin' wrote:it would be really noble of you if you could put one of those super rare motors in your ride, although, at the end of it all, you still might not be able to keep pace with an SR powered 240sx (wouldn't that be a damn shame?) Also, it might cost you alot of money to custome fabricate everything to install it properly (since you will be the first). Not trying to talk you out of it, I'd love to see it, but in all honesty, to meet your needs (250-300hp), I think an RB25 is all you need.

Whatever man. With a VQ or Vg turbo engine, you can get a good ~350hp with simple mods. Also, it would have loads more torque than an SR. The Rb's are of course awesome but, a V-series engine in an s14 wouldn't exactly be slow. The SR is a good engine but, it's not the made by God himself miracle engine lots of people make it out to be. Though I, personally, would do a Rb25 swap in an s13/s14 because I love the Rb series. It would still be cool to see someone do a Vg or VQ swap into a s13/s14.

Post by **AkaiRPS13** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

the L6s have fit issues also, they dont fit like the charm people say they do. just as v6 sits too wide, l6 sits too long. that is very bad if you care about handling. what makes the VQ a better option than the VG and in some ways also gives a bit of an edge over RBs is the AL block. I dont know the exact weights but theoretically the VQ would upset the weight ballance the least seeing as the other two are iron.

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

Weight can be shaved off the front end fairly easily, still might not be perfectly balanced, but it wouldn't make a huge difference with an iron block in there.

the question really is, are you looking to get to 350HP in a reasonable amount of time, with 6 cylinders? Because if you are, all the resources for an RB swap are there, and it is VERY obtainable (maybe a little more than an SR, but not by much).

Or are you trying to do something unique and different, and still obtain your 350HP mark?

Niether of you have made a strong enough point to make the V series motor a better choice for 6 cylinder power in a 240 (weight isn't an issue, driveability is).

Post by **AkaiRPS13** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

Im not talking about general "front end" weight, Im talking about weight at the extreem front ie in front of even the front wheels. exess weight there can cause a frustrating tendency to understeer. maybe weight isnt an issue for you but for me it is very important how much and where the weight is added. also in my experience weight is not difficult but expencive to get off the front of the car. and if you could please elaborate on driveability issuses with the VQ as opposed to the RB? because if you are refering to drivabillity problems regarding a tuned VQ v. tuned RB, three liters is going to be more streetable at 350hp than two and a half.

Post by **McAdam** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

HA ha! I'm gonna be the **** to bring this one back from the dead! anyone know if there has been any more info on this swap? venus has front clips for $1500. granted, its an automatic, but hell, sounds like fun! something to contemplate, with teh prices of RB25DET's climbing thru the roof and all. Hell, I heard Venus jacked the prices on the RB20's to $2500, thats lunacy!

McAdam

Post by **Got_Nissan?** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

I saw a vg30de (don't know if it was a turbo or not)in some jap magazine online, it fit (barely any room left between engine and strut towers) that's all I could tell because I can't read japanese.

But I'm giving serious thought to putting a vg30de(t maybe) into my s14.Don't know if it'll ever happen though

Post by **240sxin** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

Hey guys i hate to ask this but im straped for cash and a sr or turbo mod is way out of the question. Any way i was wonderin if just a rb25de would be a good motor seeing my car allready has no turbo, is it even a good idea to think of puttin a n/a motor like an rb25de in my 240sx, i know this is a wierd question, but i as just thinking that an rb25de is bigger then the ka24e and its DOHC instead of SOHC so you know. I dont knwo where im goin lol i was just wondering if that would be a good idea? anyway take it easy all.

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

lets see, driveability issues? well, since it appears that no one in n.america has safely installed this motor, whatever issues you come up with will be trial and error to fix. rb's are here, and there is plenty of info documented on the net w/regards to driveability issues, and there are also plenty of people more than willing to help online, in case you do run into problems.

although, replacement parts are alot easier to get for the v series of motors, since they were installed here

Post by **240sxin** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

so an rb not a good idea?

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

if you cant afford the others then work on your ka. its not as good in my opinion, but its still a nissan engine which is miles ahead of some other manufacturers.

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

if u are strapped for cash, don't even think about swapping a motor, cause there are so many hidden expenses.

work on bolting things onto your ka, or save your money for a turbo, the wait will be worth it.

Post by **carnal_c30** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

VQ30 is alot lighter than the VG, I think it weights something like 180 kilos or less

advantages next to an RB? alot lighter, puts weight further back towards the center of the car, and parts are plentiful out here

hlh's VQ puts out close to 500 fwhp in a Maxima on sotck internals... I'd say thats pretty damn impressive... and the power band is alot wider than the SR so a 300hp VQ is a good match for a 400hp SR... trust me I had a close to 400hp SR and the power band left much to be desired next to my VQ motor...

VQ is the motor of the future... probably the best motor to come out of Nissan in a long time

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

vq is great but its no rb. in my opinion the rb is the best nissan engine. unless we are talking race motors too. then i would have to go with that 3.5l twin turbo v8 from the r390 gt1 that nissan campaigned at lemans.

Post by **240sxin** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

What are good bolt ons for the ka24e besides a turbo? ive allready got exshaust and and cai, im guessin headers and what else would be good? anyway thanks for the info.

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

make sure your cat is not clogged. a nice hot cam would be cool. i dont know who makes one, but there should be one out there somewhere.

Post by **carnal_c30** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

s13sr20chris wrote:vq is great but its no rb. in my opinion the rb is the best nissan engine. unless we are talking race motors too. then i would have to go with that 3.5l twin turbo v8 from the r390 gt1 that nissan campaigned at lemans.

the rb is an old old motor... just like the L series motor... Nissan is phasing out the rb motor and are even considering bringing back the L series motors- the L series motors were probably the best ever for Nissanthe VQ is an awesome motor... no one can arque that.. sure it cant take boost like a cast iron block rb.... but hell you can get 415hp NA with it 475hp to the wheels on stock internals with a turbo on a VQ

Post by **McAdam** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

Are you farking serious about Nissan contemplating bringing the L series motor back??? where the hell did you hear that?? news clip, blurb on a site, PLEASE GIVE ME A LINK! lol! that'd be super sweeet. DOHC L6, baby. those motors were indestructible. 230,000 on a stock block, no rebuilds, burns no oil. can't kill it.

McAdam

Post by **carnal_c30** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:14 pm

McAdam wrote:Are you farking serious about Nissan contemplating bringing the L series motor back??? where the hell did you hear that?? news clip, blurb on a site, PLEASE GIVE ME A LINK! lol! that'd be super sweeet. DOHC L6, baby. those motors were indestructible. 230,000 on a stock block, no rebuilds, burns no oil. can't kill it.

McAdam

my friend works at Nissan in Gardena and thats what he told me that they were considering bringign the L-series motor back being that they think its fundamentally better than the rb motors or the like....

to be honest I dont know if its true, the VQ seems to be taking over anything, I dont see where they would use the L-series motor if it isnt in the next GTR... I agree it would be bad *** if the L came back

VQ30DET in a 240SX

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