Voter fraud already starting?

[audtatious]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...40383

Looks like Obama's ACORN group has been caught submitting invalid voter applications in Michigan.....Thus far they have enrolled 200,000 voters statewide and I hope they look deep into every one of them.

"There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications," said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State's Office. "And it appears to be widespread."

[srellim234]

Looks like they are trying to offset the electronic voting count fraud taking place in favor of the Republicans courtesy of Diebold.

[AZhitman]

I'd say that's a stretch.

If this is found to be intentional misrepresentation, I'll expect to see it plastered all over the media....

Then again, why hold my breath.

[szh]

The ACORN group has had some employees convicted of voter fraud in the past. I remember reading about that some years ago, but could not find the link.

They are a very aggressive community activist group that strongly leans Socialist.

Z

[szh]

offset the electronic voting count fraud taking place in favor of the Republicans courtesy of Diebold.

"Two wrongs don't make a right".

BTW, do you have a reference for this Diebold allegation?

Z

[srellim234]

http://www.hbo.com/docs/progra....html

http://uncountedthemovie.com/

http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/

Those three movies are just the starters for the Diebold fraud. They are worth watching and can't easily be dismissed, nor should they be ignored. Electronic vote counts are being manipulated and hacked. Plus, no one is allowed to look at the computer code, including the people that wrote it!

[smockers83]

Just what we need happening in Detroit and the greater area given everything else going on. Can't they do anything right there?

[szh]

http://www.hbo.com/docs/progra....html

http://uncountedthemovie.com/

http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/

Those three movies are just the starters for the Diebold fraud. They are worth watching and can't easily be dismissed, nor should they be ignored. Electronic vote counts are being manipulated and hacked.

Okay, I spent some time researching this and have some opinions now. Not clear that I am right or wrong, but ...

1. First and foremost, the allegation that somehow Diebold must be specifically and intentionally frauding the voters in this situation seems way, way far-fetched.

2. Even if it occurs, the "fact" that it somehow helps Republican and not Democrats also sounds ridiculous. Why are the Democrats so computer-illiterate that they are not able to perpetrate the same fraud?

3. I watched that video at the third link. They have taken random snippets from various people - out of context, without letting them finish the sentence (which might have added information), etc., etc., etc. A deliberate effort to create a Luddite fear-mongering situation, aimed directly at the people in our society who do not know much about computers.

4. I suspect voting computers are subject to vote fraud problems, and yes, I will also agree that some problems might have occurred. Teething problems. Traditional paper voting is also subject to fraud! Numerous cases of that exist - over the centuries frankly. In particular, the "paper trail" that people talk about is just so much crap - no one goes back and looks at any of the paper ballots after the election is over. And they are destroyed after a while.

Plus, no one is allowed to look at the computer code, including the people that wrote it!

Ummm ... I did not get that from any of the three links. Did I miss something?

Regardless of which ... my current opinion: this issue reeks of way too much deliberate fear-mongering conspiracy theory, without enough facts and reality-checks, to make this issue be anything more than a tempest in a teapot.

Computer security can be done right (banks, the IRS, etc. do just fine), and once any teething issues are resolved, this will be the way to go. Inspite of the Luddites.

I hope I am not wrong about this, of course!

Z

[HashiriyaS14]

The ACORN group has had some employees convicted of voter fraud in the past. I remember reading about that some years ago, but could not find the link.

They are a very aggressive community activist group that strongly leans Socialist.

Z

Yeah, ACORN is nuts.

They've been nuts before, I hope they sort out all the "illegal" applications.

If we're going to win, I want it to be legitimate, not some farce like the 2000 election.

Unlike some contingents of our political spectrum, I'd rather have my candidate LOSE and still see democracy work properly than have him win via suspect manipulations.

[srellim234]

z- the first two are the most incriminating to Diebold and contain a lot of facts, actually captured on film. You really need to see the entire documentaries. Including actual film of votes being switched on the machines in one congressional district, taken by the politicians using hidden cameras during a test session, not by some liberal hacker with a grudge. A district with 680 registered voters; the electronic vote count for Bush in the last election totalled almost 5,000 votes in that district.

It's not just a matter of hacking a machine. Federal election laws don't allow anyone to doublecheck the code, looking for errors and intentional fraud written into the code itself.

Starting from the first two documentaries and working out from there, you can find specific pieces that confirm a lot of what is said in the documentaries.

Bear in mind, I am NOT accusing any elected politician of being involved. I think this whole thing started out as more of a behind the scenes thing, driven by people outside of the public eye.

The second documentary, "Uncounted", is running currently on Starz. Please take the time to watch the whole movie with a sceptical but open mind. Sceptical in that they are "loading up" the incriminating stuff, trying to scare us as well as move us to action, but open to the possibility that many of the facts presented are true.

[audtatious]

When are they going to make official movies for STARS and HBO that goes over the voter fraud of the Obama campaign against Hillary?

Never

Obama pretty much worked for ACORN during his community organizer days. ACORN has always been a group who actively presses forth their agenda regardles of legality or not. Of course, that part is left out when the Obama supporters croon about his CO days.

Just more about Obama that people are not too sure about.

[srellim234]

Put together your pitch for HBO and Starz for your movie. Your claim that it will never be made starts there.

For any movie to happen, someone has to pitch the idea. Someone has to do the research and come up with specific facts, not just vague allegations. Are the specific facts in Michigan enough to fill up 1.5 to 2 hours of airtime? Is there enough interest to generate enough viewership to justify airing it?

You present your claim that it won't be made as if there is some conspiracy to protect Obama. My guess would be that no one has presented enough facts or an actual movie to the networks yet.

These things take a few years to get to market if the documentarian is practicing due diligence, too. If there is a movie in the making there, we won't see it until 2010 and someone has to take the initiative to start the process. Ranting about it or making accusations on a car forum isn't going to get it done.

[audtatious]

Maybe, but doubtful.

Regardless....

http://bulletin.aarp.org/state....html

"1,100 Voter Cards Suspect County Clerk Notified N.M., Federal Officials"

Seems ACORN is at it in New Mexico as well.