Volvo Turbo

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I plan on going KA-ET here shortly and have picked up a few things to get me on my way to my small goal of 200whp. My most recent acquisition is a Volvo TD04HL-13T. It's similar in flow characteristics to a TD04H-15G, perhaps a little less. A flow chart for the TD04H-15G can be found HERE.

I mapped it out using an estimation program I created with the help of programs' and websites' formulas. It can be downloaded HERE in Excel format. I think it should fit my needs well judging by the design.

Full dimentions are:

TD04HL-13TCompressorWheel: 13TInducer Dia.: 1.597in.Exucer Dia.: 2.203inTrim: 53Housing: TD04HL-13TTurbineWheel: TD04HLExducer Dia.: 1.625in.Inducer Dia.: 1.860in.Housing: TD04-6cm^2 (41 trim I believe)

My main question is what turbo flange would I need for this turbo? I've included a picture of the base at the bottom of this post. If it helps any, it has a Mistubishi logo on the wastegate actuator.

[pr240sx]

Good luck trying to find a gasket for the turbo/manifold area.I have a Volvo turbo (garrett type) and I plan to change it just because that odd flange.

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Worst case scenario is that I have to machine my own flange. They're just made from 1/2" mild steel. I could probably make one up in about 30 minutes in the garage with the mill and drill press. I was just hoping to get the dimensions so I could have it done before it got here.

[JRL]

Did that come of a diesel or gas volvo?

Only asking because it looks nothing like the turbo's Ive pulled of Volvo's. Most of them are garrett T3 .42/.48's.

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Best I can figure, it's the oddball Volvo put on a few of the 850's and V70's. Only a few of each got this one for some reason. The guy who had it was doing an engine swap on a V70 and got the right engine but the "wrong" turbo on it.

[Steeliez]

(from a guy in another forum...)

[QUOTE=silencer.1]No, sorry what you have is a Volvo only flange, very similar to the standard Garrett flange but was designed by Volvo to be used on there manifold, no gasket required. Yuo can run it on a rectangular Garrett flange by drilling out the treaded holes and using a flat round exhaust gasket in the indention in the turbo housing.QUOTE]

[KATwo40]

Please, allow me to step in here.

First off, I'm pretty certain that's a Mitsubishi turbo, manufactured for Volvo. The Garret Volvo turbos had a square flange. Reeferd (I swear that's his real name!) at the local Volvo dealership in Knoxville, TN says that the Mitsubishi Volvo turbos are far superior to the Garrett Volvo turbos. I tend to agree.

I ran a very similar turbo on my KADET for a year. TD04H-13C was mine. It will work with the SSAC Top mount T3/T4 manifold. That's the ebay manifold that has a BIG flange on it with holes for both the T3 and T4. You can't put it on just a T3 flange, because the sides of the turbine flange hang over it and it'll leak...guaranteed. The bolt pattern, however, is that of a T3.

So, just use some copper sealer spray, some good exhaust studs (you'll need smaller studs because the giant bolts they give you with the manifold don't fit in the turbine flange) with nuts on both ends.

So, there ya' go. That's how ya' run that bad boy.

[Steeliez]

LOL...I was totally talking to my friend about using a volvo turbo with the very same manifold your talking about...Thats helarious. I just did some quick sizing up using the pictures of the manifold and a pic of a weird volvo turbo to t3 flange adapter that atp sells...It seemed like it would work. Thats helariously convenient that you reassured my thoughts without me even proposing such a retarted sounding idea... long story short...thanks!

[Iamjohnhayes]

Please, allow me to step in here.

First off, I'm pretty certain that's a Mitsubishi turbo, manufactured for Volvo. The Garret Volvo turbos had a square flange. Reeferd (I swear that's his real name!) at the local Volvo dealership in Knoxville, TN says that the Mitsubishi Volvo turbos are far superior to the Garrett Volvo turbos. I tend to agree.

I ran a very similar turbo on my KADET for a year. TD04H-13C was mine. It will work with the SSAC Top mount T3/T4 manifold. That's the ebay manifold that has a BIG flange on it with holes for both the T3 and T4. You can't put it on just a T3 flange, because the sides of the turbine flange hang over it and it'll leak...guaranteed. The bolt pattern, however, is that of a T3.

So, just use some copper sealer spray, some good exhaust studs (you'll need smaller studs because the giant bolts they give you with the manifold don't fit in the turbine flange) with nuts on both ends.

So, there ya' go. That's how ya' run that bad boy.

is it not possible that this IS a volvo turbo and that the wastegate actuator is just made by mitsubishi (like a some peoples distributors / MAFS) I have also seen that flange of a turbo before but it was on a crotch rocket turbo kit.

[Steeliez]

hmm... well Im pretty sure that its a mitsu td04-12b, but that one does have some very specialized volvo flair on the compressor housing... IIRC thats a built-in bypass valve...pretty hard to upgrade as well. I think a friend of mine with a 240 turbo (volvo...not nissan ) had a hell of a time trying to upgrade to a ssqv...ended up going the rout of a whole new turbo/intercooler piping...good move too...that things one quick volvo:)

***I cant read all good and stuff...this isnt a 12b...I just suck ***

[Steeliez]

Also, the name aceinhole comes to mind because of this turbo... He made some pretty good figures with a turbo similar to this one (might not have had the built in bov...) with 370cc purpletops, a hacked maf, and a ssautochrome mani...

**Im an illiterate moron...its not a 12b...sry***

[KATwo40]

is it not possible that this IS a volvo turbo and that the wastegate actuator is just made by mitsubishi (like a some peoples distributors / MAFS) I have also seen that flange of a turbo before but it was on a crotch rocket turbo kit.

No. It's a Mitsubishi turbo.

As I stated before, I've discussed this in-depth with a 20+ year Volvo technician. He's used these turbos on anything from small cars to dune buggies.

You can get either a Garrett version (says Volvo on the compressor housing) that has the standard T3 flange

OR

A Mitsubishi version (ALSO says Volvo on the compressor housing) that has that funny flange, as shown above.

I know my stuff about this one. I ran a Mitsubishi Volvo turbo for a year on my car.

[pr240sx]

Volvo used two types of turbosGarret made T3 and Mitsubichi made turbos.Both have tha same flange.Mitsubichi have more aggressive wheels that the garret one.You can use a oversized flange or machine down the space.Or use a gasket with an asbestos ring.Both turbos are T3 compatible.

[nb07bcar]

here is that same turbo on my ka. But mines a 15G. I think the 13 is smaller and its hard to find a 19. I think its a 19. only came on the turbo cross country I think. Instead of a 2.5 exhaust it has a 3" exhaust.

http://img20.imageshack.us/my....c.jpg

[KATwo40]

Volvo used two types of turbosGarret made T3 and Mitsubichi made turbos.Both have tha same flange.Mitsubichi have more aggressive wheels that the garret one.You can use a oversized flange or machine down the space.Or use a gasket with an asbestos ring.Both turbos are T3 compatible.

You are incorrect, sir. The Mitsubishi version is a T3 bolt pattern, but WILL NOT FIT the T3 flange. It hangs over and leaks out the sides.

The wheels, however, are indeed different, as you said. The Mitsubishi wheels have less space between fins and spool up WAY more quickly. The only down side is that they don't flow as well on the exhaust side as the Garrett and you choke out up top.

Man, I've run this thing on my car and I had to go through all this crap. I know what I'm talkin' about. In fact, I currently have it for sale.

[pr240sx]

I should said that both flanges have the same bolt pattern.They are NOT the same indeed.Machining down the groove or use a extra large manifold flange will work.I used one at my first KA project (garrett)Worked great at 8 psi!!

[wild_maxx]

i still have that turbo from you. doesnt look like it will work but i'll try it out soon.

[pr240sx]

Machine down the flage or use a bigger mani flange.Will work just fine for low psi (up to 10 psi)After that, I think that just will blow hot air.Or, get a bigger turbine shaft (Stage III) and use the other turbine housing.I change the turbo for more flow (T3/T4)

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Ok, you guys really like to bring threads back from the dead... I bought that turbo going on 7-8 monthes ago now. I have since sold it and bought a t3/t4 50 trim.

I did a little reaserch and while it had a t3 hole pattern, it used a t2 exhaust and a t3 compressor, basically a t28. That was not big enough for my goal of 300 whp

It's good that there are people using that turbo because I couldn't find jack for info on it back then. Anyways, I just custom machined a flange for it at home for use with a bottom mount log type manifold for a ka24e.

Since then, I bought a 93 with a dohc, bought a spare dohc and have almost done with the turbo work. I just need a 3in exhaust and a clutch now.

[Steeliez]

yeah its definately no good for 300 to the wheels. Sry the response was too late man. good luck with your new trbo.