Volunteers Unappreciated

[NISTECH]

It wasent the hurricane that was responsable for the bulk of the deathes it was the flooding. They new that city was in jepordy of this happeneing, hell there was a documentory on discovery about it and senarios were thought through if it did happen,though the criminality of so many was not factored in. They knew it could happen yet left the levies at a cat 3 strength. shoulda, coulda ,woulda is now a factor since the hurricane actually hit. Thats were the media hype is.

Politics aside. The fact still remains people involved were working against each other instead of with each other. The largest blame out of this disaster goes to those who made it miserable with in the area. Not government but the residents that lashed out against the initial earlier support they did offer. Initial smaller scale support started with in 48hrs of flooding but it was cut back after retaliation from the locals.

[Bubba1]

The fault for the deaths of hundreds maybe thousands lies with no one. Stop pointing fingers, it's a god damn hurricane, they can kill people, and the people that chose to stay there took that risk. George Bush took the fault because he wanted to take pressure off of local government, it was nothing more than a move to resolve the problem, and for that I applaud him. It's sad to think that the President of the United States would be blaimed for a hurricane hitting the US.

We Americans are getting to the point where even simple thought is beyond us.

Thank the media people, thank the media.

It is true that the media fanned the flames incessantly, and if there is one party to put most of the blame it would be Mother Nature. It's actually very easy to point fingers at just about everyone involved: local, city, state, and federal. I don't think Bush is the main villain here either, but his hands are not squeeky clean here. From the inexperienced political hack he appointed who was sadly ill-equipped to handle this kinda of time sensitive disaster management, to cutting the budget that would have paid for the levee work prior to the storm (of course Congress shares that blame as well).

I think admitting the lapses on his administrations end were not entirely motivated by altruistically taking pressure off the local officials, I think he had little choice but to admit responsibility as his people did not handle the situation as well as they should have.... My prediction is Haliburtan (Mr. Cheney's former company) will get awarded some very huge emergency no-bid contracts shortly whose abuses will nauseate this country almost as much as the disaster itself.

[nismodave]

Im not donating $hit to the RED CROSS....

I will be donating on my check for the rest of my life!!!!

FORGET those people, they dont appreciate $HIT !!!!!!!

[Silvia007]

I didn't read the last few posts and I know not everyone there is on welfare, but those who seem to demand help obviously is on assistance. When **** happens, they think they deserve ultra-responsive help, when they can't pay rent, they make the government pay for it out of their generosity. So in this case, they are just doing the same thing, if they fight, *****, scream, about it and use the racist crap, the government would respond. Well, it's working so far, people and companies have sent hundreds of millions of dollars so that these people can have some sort of relief.

On a local Liberal radio station, after bush's speech, called 1-866-Katrina (1-800-Katrina was already taken so people can donate) and got a sex line which they called and asked if the person could give up the phone number so that people can easily remember the number when calling for assistance. Well it so happens the owner of the number is situated in Louisiana and said that those people are over treated, the 2,000 dollar atm cards are being used to get designer clothing and shoes and other things and not for personal relief.

Being as ungrateful as they are, we help, probably, because of the few that deserves it and is ultra greatful. Because of those few people, everyone is getting help... but like mentioned earlier, those who have been on assistance for generations on end, they feel everything should be handed to them on a silver platter the way they like it.

To conclude, I just feel that they should get some relief, they choose the geographic location knowing full well that sooner or later, there would be hurricanes to hit their location, they still stayed there just like someone who knows full well that dumping gas into a fire will only have it expand exponentially, and if that person is to get hurt, we are responsible to take care of him/her? Heck no, but we will because we are nice americans and that's what americans do... even if that person is a complete a$$.

It just bugs me that if this were to happen else where, the population who is demanding so much help so quickly do the same for those in need. I can almost see those people saying "They got what they f'ing deserve" and not do a dang thing to help. I bet those people didn't feel nothing for 9-11 but probably actually rejoiced at trageties saying that becase they live there, they damn well deserved it. I say this because how else would they react when they act this way towards volunteers. If it was me, there wouldn't be words powerful enough to describe my gratitude.

Sorry for the long post, but it pisses me of sometimes but even so, being good americans as we are, we still need to help those needy.

[PantherRacer]

The storms wouldn't be so bad (or mother nature wouldn't be so angry, howeva u wanna see it) if we weren't fxing up the earth. Global warming or w/e causes increased sea temperatures, so there are more hurricanes, and more powerful hurricanes and other storms as well. The earth is being messed up, people are getting worse and worse in regards to attitudes towards each other and the government, morals are going south by the second, soon rape, murder etc will be even more common place all over the world as more "natural disasters" tear it apart. No this ain't no doomsday prediction or anything like that. I'm just stating the obvious.

[Nismo_Freak]

The storms wouldn't be so bad (or mother nature wouldn't be so angry, howeva u wanna see it) if we weren't fxing up the earth. Global warming or w/e causes increased sea temperatures, so there are more hurricanes, and more powerful hurricanes and other storms as well. The earth is being messed up, people are getting worse and worse in regards to attitudes towards each other and the government, morals are going south by the second, soon rape, murder etc will be even more common place all over the world as more "natural disasters" tear it apart. No this ain't no doomsday prediction or anything like that. I'm just stating the obvious.

It's true that we are slowly creating our own demise. It's going to be a repeat of the fall of the Roman Empire, and too many people think we are actually progressing.

We are looking too far ahead, and not focusing on the smaller problems that affect us.

[PantherRacer]

yeah, did anyone watch the special on bullets on the disc channel? some idiot is creating a bullet that never misses. it even changes it's flight path if it's target moves...so much for running in a serpentine fashion.now imagine the future, another part of the world is destroyed and anarchy rules again there will be more casualties becasue of these things(and this bullet which will make all other bullets obsolete so everyone will have them )

unless the polar ice caps melt or someone nukes is all or the rapture comes and those who believed in the right thing get a ticket out of this place, there's gonna be a lot of suffering and we are the cause..../just had to rant...

[xyster]

heh, think for a second about a "bullet that never misses". Think how many innocent bystanders would NOT get shot in military/police operations with a bullet like that. Sounds like a good idea to me.

As for global warming, no one has conclusively proven that we are the cause of it. However, it has been proven that the earth goes through natural warming/cooling cycles, and that hurricane strength is also cyclical. We're in a warming cycle right now...just like the renaissance era was believed to be. Don't worry, we'll see another cooling period in the next 50 years or so.

[dj_hype]

heh, think for a second about a "bullet that never misses". Think how many innocent bystanders would NOT get shot in military/police operations with a bullet like that. Sounds like a good idea to me.

As for global warming, no one has conclusively proven that we are the cause of it. However, it has been proven that the earth goes through natural warming/cooling cycles, and that hurricane strength is also cyclical. We're in a warming cycle right now...just like the renaissance era was believed to be. Don't worry, we'll see another cooling period in the next 50 years or so.

/**Begin Thread Jack**I hope we get one of those cooling cycles soon cuz its too god damn hot down here. i was born in norcal and lived there till i was 10 and the summers down here are 100 times worse. yeah, it may get to be 110 in CA where as only 98 down here...but yall don't have humidity in CA. 98 down here in the summer feels like 115! it sucks to walk outside your house and feel like your sweating already and sitting in a sauna!/**End Thread Jack**

[hannibal]

I stopped reading the post Alan quoted (and this thread) after this seeing this crap.

"The people on T.V. (99% being Black) where DEMANDING help."

Do you expect survivors of a catastrophe to ask for help? Should they write a letter to the media or their congressman requesting assistance in their time of need?

People repeatedly compare this to the WTC attacks. Did each survivor of the planes impact need to telephone the local precinct to ask for help?

When you see a car accident, do you wait for the driver of the overturned car to flag down a passing motorist?

If a child falls in a pool, do you listen for a clearly audible scream for help before jumping in?

We see people in need and we go to help them. There is no other qualification to receive assistance. We (our govt and you and me) didnt do this for the victims of hurricane Katrina. Look in the mirror. If you cant say youve done EVERYTHING you can do to help this victims, you (and me) are the problem.

No time to spell check...

[xyster]

I don't think the point is that people were demanding help, they should get that automatically, like you say, and they did.The point, as I see it, is that the people mentioned in the original quote are totally unappreciative of volunteers...even abusive at points. Nothing wrong with demanding help, everything wrong with cursing the people who give you the help.

[S14-NEO]

MAN IF YOU ASK ME, YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING YOU CAN SHIP YOUR SORRY BEHIND BACK TO YOUR MOTHER LAND AND SEE HOW WELL YOU ARE TREATED OVER THERE....REALLY REALLY CRAPPY IF YOU ASK ME

[Oatmealman]

MAN IF YOU ASK ME, YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING YOU CAN SHIP YOUR SORRY BEHIND BACK TO YOUR MOTHER LAND AND SEE HOW WELL YOU ARE TREATED OVER THERE....REALLY REALLY CRAPPY IF YOU ASK ME

alright someone finally agree's with me

[Nathan]

Well on a positive note, I work at Jasons Deli and I know EXACTLY what they got to eat. I'd be really happy to get it for free, and I feel a lot better about the few occasions where I slid a smaller than average piece of lettuce into the baggy and said "eh, good enough, still have 1800 more to do tonight".

[hannibal]

MAN IF YOU ASK ME, YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING YOU CAN SHIP YOUR SORRY BEHIND BACK TO YOUR MOTHER LAND AND SEE HOW WELL YOU ARE TREATED OVER THERE....REALLY REALLY CRAPPY IF YOU ASK ME

America belongs to Black people as much as it belongs to White people. If we're shipping people back to their 'motherlands', shouldnt we start with the ones who invaded, not the ones who were forcibly brought here?? Europeans and Africans both 'immigrated' to this country/continent.

Get your story straight.

Of course a volunteer should be appreciated for their deeds. But if I help someone and they dont say thanks, I'm not dumb enough to say they should burn in hell or be sent to live in a flooded city. Thats just retarded.

[HashiriyaS14]

America belongs to Black people as much as it belongs to White people. If we're shipping people back to their 'motherlands', shouldnt we start with the ones who invaded, not the ones who were forcibly brought here?? Europeans and Africans both 'immigrated' to this country/continent.

Get your story straight.

Of course a volunteer should be appreciated for their deeds. But if I help someone and they dont say thanks, I'm not dumb enough to say they should burn in hell or be sent to live in a flooded city. Thats just retarded.

The voice of reason as always.

I think that the initial "motherland" comment was in decidedly poor taste. Oh, and in case you're looking for it, the caps lock key is right over your lefthand "shift" key.

I can definitely understand the tired, displaced victims of Katrina not saying "thank you" for a water when they step off the bus. These are people who have seen their mothers, fathers, siblings, children and other loved ones killed, their property destroyed, and their lives ruined overnight. I think that if all that had happened to me, I'd be in a pretty shxtty mood too, and while I would appreciate what was being done for me, it'd still be pretty tough for me to put the emotion aside long enough to show it.

However, the violence is ridiculous. The people who are physically abusing volunteers or worse, shooting at rescue personnel, should be treated just as they would if they performed such deeds in time of tranquility. Greater chaos is not a license to act like a barbarian.

If I were in the military and I was trying to land a chopper on a roof to save someone and they shot at me, I think I'd be inclined to tell my side gunner to ventilate them.

[szh]

Folks, this thread is starting to get political and racial overtones. All the facts that need to be said have been said, as far as I can see, so this is now locked.

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