i guess this is sort of old news, but one of my friends showed me this new volkswagen w12 super car. i really didnt read any of the articles since im at work, so im not sure if its 2 vr6's side by side, or put together. i thought my friend told me that each rear wheel was powered by each engine, but uhh, i dunno. anyway, thought id throw it out here, i would have never expected this from VW.
i like the design, it is a little longer than im used to, but the held back sleek looks are appealing, same reason i like the 240. i was told this was $75,000, but i cant say for sure.
so what do you think of an exotic VW? reliable?
http://www.autointell.com/euro...2.htm
http://www.cardesignnews.com/a....html
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/vw_w12.asp
Volkswagen : W12 Coupe Concept
Re: Volkswagen : W12 Coupe Concept
Ceptos wrote:
so what do you think of an exotic VW? reliable?
um, NO.
Let's put it this way - the VR6 isn't exactly the most reliable engine in the world, and now they would have a totally new and unproven engine design with twice the amount of cylinders. Double the trouble!
and it does look kind of like a bottom-feeding fish to me, as well.
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Gee look! A lamborghini!
Except for the engine, that car is Laaaaaaaambooooooooooo...
VAG now includes Lamborghini, everyone's favorite tractor manufacturer.
Also...what do you mean VR6 not reliable? Sure Jettas are crap on wheels, and older VR6's had head gasket issues (not catastrophic ones, but issues) and VW has been selling the engine for going on 10 years now. It's one of the smoothest engines I've ever driven. It's beautiful! And tiny. And now that they have 24 valves, well, I'd hardly call them unreliable.
All of this, of course, being academic. VAG will never make the ?Nardo?. It's already got waaaaaaaaaay too many exotic cars on the market.
Except for the engine, that car is Laaaaaaaambooooooooooo...
VAG now includes Lamborghini, everyone's favorite tractor manufacturer.
Also...what do you mean VR6 not reliable? Sure Jettas are crap on wheels, and older VR6's had head gasket issues (not catastrophic ones, but issues) and VW has been selling the engine for going on 10 years now. It's one of the smoothest engines I've ever driven. It's beautiful! And tiny. And now that they have 24 valves, well, I'd hardly call them unreliable.
All of this, of course, being academic. VAG will never make the ?Nardo?. It's already got waaaaaaaaaay too many exotic cars on the market.
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actually that would constitute unreliability. Just because the company is trying to push an engine for x number of years doesnt make it reliable. I much prefer the 20v engine anyways. That is probably 2 rs6's because vw has an audi concept with the same engine bases. That is a very unique look for vw. VW usually makes all their cars looking like boring crap, save a few, and all their off-shoot companies just have awesome looking autos.
Also henreh how do you figure their are too man exotics in production? Lot of concepts few productions.
Also henreh how do you figure their are too man exotics in production? Lot of concepts few productions.
yeah, i was wondering about the reliability of this car. not just in the engine, but the car itself, i see too many VW's with tail lights out, and power windows taped to the door, hehe. small, but annoying if u purchase a car like that. i guess this car's best selling point would be price if they are able to keep it down. i know VW has assembly plants in mexico and probably other locations, where would a car like this be manufactured? hopefully in germany, think it would be by hand?
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the w engine from what I know is two sets of 6 offest ~7 degrees from each other where each corresponding bank is about ~60 degrees apart. It puts out very respectable numbers for the physical size... (might be remembering a different w design though... been about a year since I saw the specs on that one)
The w is two v-6 in the same block... not two independent engines powering the rear wheels....
The w is two v-6 in the same block... not two independent engines powering the rear wheels....
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Every Lambo? There are currently two models that Lambo is building.
Also, are we keeping in mind that since the VW group is parent company, that all of these cars are sharing some major parts/chassis designs....with different badges on the outside(one-off, limited-production exotics aside). Read any of the major auto mags and the captions that accompany the latest show car coverage tell the story: "..also found on the ____ model""...loosely based on the company's ____ design""using existing hardware from the ___ parts bin""...is said to incorporate the all new _____ system, found on the latest ___ model in showrooms now"
GM has been doing this since before most of us were born. Ford is another culprit of badge-engineering, as they call it... slapping some parts-bin peices on a new paint scheme...give it a new grille and call it a "new" concept. Nissan does it too. Hell, every company shares pieces. This keeps costs down, while maintaining the ability to produce more and more models to flood the market with, ensuring that every(or almost every) car buying demographic is reached....and up the profits by using the same pieces on "different" models.
Companies have been using interchangeable parts/chassis for EVER.
Also, are we keeping in mind that since the VW group is parent company, that all of these cars are sharing some major parts/chassis designs....with different badges on the outside(one-off, limited-production exotics aside). Read any of the major auto mags and the captions that accompany the latest show car coverage tell the story: "..also found on the ____ model""...loosely based on the company's ____ design""using existing hardware from the ___ parts bin""...is said to incorporate the all new _____ system, found on the latest ___ model in showrooms now"
GM has been doing this since before most of us were born. Ford is another culprit of badge-engineering, as they call it... slapping some parts-bin peices on a new paint scheme...give it a new grille and call it a "new" concept. Nissan does it too. Hell, every company shares pieces. This keeps costs down, while maintaining the ability to produce more and more models to flood the market with, ensuring that every(or almost every) car buying demographic is reached....and up the profits by using the same pieces on "different" models.
Companies have been using interchangeable parts/chassis for EVER.
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SmithSR wrote:Every Lambo? There are currently two models that Lambo is building.
Also, are we keeping in mind that since the VW group is parent company, that all of these cars are sharing some major parts/chassis designs....with different badges on the outside(one-off, limited-production exotics aside). Read any of the major auto mags and the captions that accompany the latest show car coverage tell the story: "..also found on the ____ model""...loosely based on the company's ____ design""using existing hardware from the ___ parts bin""...is said to incorporate the all new _____ system, found on the latest ___ model in showrooms now"
GM has been doing this since before most of us were born. Ford is another culprit of badge-engineering, as they call it... slapping some parts-bin peices on a new paint scheme...give it a new grille and call it a "new" concept. Nissan does it too. Hell, every company shares pieces. This keeps costs down, while maintaining the ability to produce more and more models to flood the market with, ensuring that every(or almost every) car buying demographic is reached....and up the profits by using the same pieces on "different" models.
Companies have been using interchangeable parts/chassis for EVER.
Suresure, I hear what you're saying, but an exotic is a completely different animal.
In production cars, you can swamp the market with "different" same models, keep production costs low, sell the cars low and make money while putting the other guy out of business. You can't do that with exotics. People who buy exoctics, for the most part, don't give a damn how much it costs. And if you have 3 cars that are, essentially, the same, you're only hurting yourself in the exotic market.
Example: Why would you buy a Volkswagen (no matter how neat, cool, and different it was) when you could buy pratically the same car, only a Lamborghini. Now, YOU might say "Because a Volkswagon is neat and interesting and it's so off-beat!"
I'm just saying that it's very difficult to compete with yourself in the exotic market. The only person that loses is you.
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i W engine is basicly two staggard rows of pistons instead of strait rows. Im pretty sure this engine would have absolutly nothing in common with a 6 cylinder motor in a completely difforent car.
Its like this:
a V engine has 2 piston rows like this--> oooooooo
a W engine has 2 piston rows like this--> o*o*o*o*
the staggered rows just save space. it still has one crank like every other automobile engine.
Its like this:
a V engine has 2 piston rows like this--> oooooooo
a W engine has 2 piston rows like this--> o*o*o*o*
the staggered rows just save space. it still has one crank like every other automobile engine.
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FIAT is a completely different company (more akin to Italy's version of Audi), and yes, they bought controlling interest in Ferrari (and Maserati as an afterthought). As for losing the "Ferrari" touch, well, the 456GT/Maranello are pretty spectacular coupes, they're bringing back the nearly-defunct Masers, and FIAT has a fat 5-cylinder turbo coupe that will run with anything. The Enzo is a big fat mess, but I believe that's an aberration. FIAT still knows how to make good sports cars. Reliable sports cars? uh, not yet.