VG30DETT into 1989 240SX

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VG30DETT into 1989 240SX

Postby D2180SX » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:28 am

Hi! I just wanted to show you that the VG30DETT can be put into the S13 chassis without sacrificing or canceling factory essentials or options. This is one of my cars. Yes, it runs, and it's a torque machine. We kept everything down to the a/c (haven't hooked it up yet nor did we hook up the heater hoses; using blockers for now) and the twin turbo factory configuration. Yes, it needs a bath, but dust is one thing we deal with here in the Kingdom of Bahrain. I don't know of anybody else who has been able to do this swap without cancelling or relocating things. Of course, we had to make new mounts, customized the subframe and swapped over to a J30 oil pan. The tranny was not jury rigged either. We made a custom bracket to allow full use with no cutting into the car's sheet metal. We did not use a front mount. Instead, we retained the twin SMICs. Enjoy!



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Postby dickie » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:37 am

cool! care to document the (lengthy) process for a possible writeup?

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Postby TheOne » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:47 am

why does.......for some reason the 240sx engine bay looks easier to work in a vg30 than workin a vg30 in a 300zx?(for those who have seen the 300zx engine bay....and worked on them, i've seen'em, also worked a couple of things and damn is it cramped)

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Postby j-z » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:48 am

awesome! fits like it was meant to be there. very nice job, but what did you do for an exhaust? i also like how you stuck with the dual smic. what did you do for the driveshaft? how does it handle now? good job

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Postby vutony » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:52 am

nice.......i like the toyota oil filter best

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Postby nvrplzd240 » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:53 am

sweet

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Postby pancho y onions » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:55 am

Thts pretty cool. It still looks cramped to work in though. Reall cool swap no doubt. Post a video of it running;)

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Postby Felipe » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:59 am

two is better then 1 and that 1 sweet ride... i can feel the power from over here

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Postby D2180SX » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:14 pm

I used the Y and we fabricated some piping to flow into one. I use a catback meant for SR. I'll be doing an article about it on my business site, as well as for one of the automotive publications here in the Middle East. This swap was done to show that it could be done, as well as for an R&D platform. We do have an electrical gremlin that we are sorting out right now. The driveshaft was made locally, but I'm going to have one of the reputable shaft makers in the USA to do one based on my design. Perhaps we can see this swap done as a complete kit for those who would want to go with a V6 from Nissan. This car is a torque machine! From dead stop, it will get sideways with just a drop of the clutch! Once we have all the bugs worked out and some other things done, I'll get some video of it going through the paces. Just think, you'll have more power and torque in the stock form than doing an SR swap, and I would think that VG30DETT complete swap is plentiful in the USA and Canada. Just something to think of to give more hybrid options other than RB. A VQ swap shouldn't be that difficult, as well. I can make the kit for a VQ configuration, and I know Maximas are a dime a dozen

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Postby Florida240sx » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:27 pm

Nice swap. I plan to do this in the fall. Why did you need to swap to the j30 oil pan? What's the difference in the stock and j30?

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Postby D2180SX » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:38 pm

We swapped over to the J30 oil pan due to some clearance issues. We notched and reinforced the subframe to a very extreme degree. To try to utilize the VG30DETT oil pan, we had issues of the stabilizer bar to contend with in the front of the oil pan, and you don't want to notch the subframe too far or you will destroy the integrity of the subframe. Take the stock VG30DETT oil pan and set it next to a stock J30 model. There is a definite difference.

Also, the turbo outlet pipe on the drivers side will impact the steering column. To get around that, we designed a flange to "wrap" further towards the inside of the column. Because of the custom flange, we had to ensure the right side flange was equal in volume and flow. Uneven back pressure is no fun. I mentioned on my site that we will release a kit for this swap this fall to include all the necessary pieces to do the job correctly Custom subframe, oil pan, turbo exhaust flanges (outlets), engine mounts, exhaust piece, oil filter relocator and SMICs. The only thing I can't do is supply an engine and tranny. That would make it too expensive for our community, I think. But, as they all say, if someone wants it bad enough, it can be done.

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Postby One_Love » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:47 pm



thats all

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Postby 9240sx » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:44 pm

You the man!!!

And is it just me or is there alot more space up front over the z32??Looks like it to me..Looks like you could run the stock s13 fan shroud..

Again

Any 1/4mile times??..Kills...Hows it feel...Stuff like that..more info!

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Postby Florida240sx » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:50 pm

When can you make the mount kits? No need for smic piping. And would probably do cusotme exhaust piping. Just need the subframe, motor mounts and tranny mount...Plan to get my engine in october where it will be sent to the machine shop to be built. If you need someone in the states to show off your kit I can do that for you....

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Postby PantherRacer » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:13 pm

looks like a 300zx went on a diet and freed up some muscle.bet it performs like it had a can of red ballz. IT'S COCAINE IN A CAN BABY!

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Postby tjmhillz » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:55 pm

that is sick..... man i cant wait to see vids of this monsters. wat kinda numbers r u looking to put down. dats one clean swap. it looks like it came wit the car lol....

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Postby pallnet » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:53 pm

Does the VG30E and VG30ET oilpans fit on the VG30DE and VG30DETT?

If so then there are other oilpan options out there if you're willing to comb the yards. One might possibly result in not having to section the X-member.This could bring the costs of your kits down.

This is an idea. Anyways I like the way it sits in there.

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Postby QuickerThanU » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:28 am

Make a vid of the 240 racing that sexy beast in the back on the first picture . Do u have an approximate price range for this kit?

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Postby lord_hypnos » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:43 am

D2180SX wrote:I mentioned on my site that we will release a kit for this swap this fall to include all the necessary pieces to do the job correctly.
Where do I sign up?

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Postby Reno » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:25 am

i second that XD

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:33 am

Yes, the stock fan shroud will fit, if you wanted to go that direction. I made sure that the engine sat as close to the center as possible, and one rule we stuck with was to not exceed the length of the KA or SR or CA that would normally sit in this chassis. We kept the stock fan shroud in mind in the event that we would have to resort to that. But, the twin electrics work just fine.

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:37 am

Yes, the S13 chassis was easier to work the VG30DETT than the Z32 chassis was. I was told that the Z32 was built around the VG30DETT. Personally, I hated the 300ZX due to the cramped working area. I found it easier to drop the engine out of the bottom of the Z32 to do any sort of maintenance. I guess the only person that would not have any problem working the VG in the 300ZX is ET. His fingers alone could probably access the plugs.

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Postby continental_drift » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:45 am

now that's a manly swap. where as, on the other hand, you put an sr or a KAin a z32 and all you'll feel is suck.

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Postby lord_hypnos » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:48 am

D2180SX wrote:Yes, the stock fan shroud will fit, if you wanted to go that direction. I made sure that the engine sat as close to the center as possible, and one rule we stuck with was to not exceed the length of the KA or SR or CA that would normally sit in this chassis. We kept the stock fan shroud in mind in the event that we would have to resort to that. But, the twin electrics work just fine.
I am so jealous. Props to you for doing it. Even more if you make a kit for the swap. I know I've been looking at eventually doing something like this. You make it look so clean and so easy. How long did it take you to do it anyway?

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:51 am

Right now, we're just looking to extract the stock VG30DETT performance aspects in the S13 chassis. I do know that it has more balls than a stock SR, and it definitely handles way better than with an RB stuffed in it. I firmly believe it is because of the center of gravity. The car seems more in control. We do need to put the car on the scales and measure the front and rear weights. The rear end was not tampered with from what it was before. Before we had a stock SR (before that KA24E), and we retained the CUSCO 2-way. The rear subframe was rebushed and strengthened in some areas. The half axles are stock OEM and the stock camber was retained. Of course, I love tuning suspension, so before we get too far ahead, we'll be upgrading the arms and some other stuff. Numbers and what we hope to pull down, your guess is as good as mine, but we do want to put this car through the paces and see what breaks and what needs built up before we go advertising what it can truly do. I'm just happy to be the the first, from what I know, that has been able to do this without resorting to extreme fabrication and cancelling of accessories and adapting other things to make it work (dollar cost).

In summary, this car is gonna get worked and I will keep our community updated via the forum and on the business site on what is happening to give our community more viable, safe, non-jury-rigged hybrid swap options without busting big bank to do it.

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:01 am

pallnet wrote:Does the VG30E and VG30ET oilpans fit on the VG30DE and VG30DETT?

If so then there are other oilpan options out there if you're willing to comb the yards. One might possibly result in not having to section the X-member.This could bring the costs of your kits down.

This is an idea. Anyways I like the way it sits in there.
We looked at all possible options. We have working examples of VG30ET, VG20ET, VG30E, VG33E oil pans and subframes. With the subframe, there was no getting around it. We could have designed a completely one-off subframe, but the cost to the end-user would put the concept out of the reach of most. I didn't want to do that. I'm blue-collar and I want to always keep the average guy and girl in mind when I do things like this. For me to take an S13 subframe, notch it correctly and beef it up with fabricated engine mount hard point locations is easier and a cheaper proposition AND we were able to keep the stock steering rack location intact.

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:11 am

Approximate price range- my target is to keep it reasonable. My overhead costs are way cheaper here in the Middle East, and I can do everything in house. The drive shaft would probably be the most expensive part of the kit, but I know that there are many machine shops in North America that can make one and balance it correctly. I have all of my drive shafts made by The Drive Shaft Shop in North Carolina.

The core of the kit would consist of the subframe, oil pan, oil filter relocator kit, engine mounts and transmission mount. I know some people would just rather have the subframe and mounts. I can make things in packages depending on what the customer wants. As we get close to the end, I will advertise the price on the site. I will say that the kit will be within the price range of 75% of the people here and that you won't have to go out and take a loan to get the kit. I want everybody to be able to do this swap, if they wish to.
QuickerThanU wrote: Make a vid of the 240 racing that sexy beast in the back on the first picture . Do u have an approximate price range for this kit?

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:14 am

Just stay plugged in, bookmark the business site, and write to me at [email protected]. I really wanna see S13s running around with the VG30DETT. It's just a mean sounding machine and intimidating in the right hands.
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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:22 am

It took about a month to do the designs, a week to do the test fit and fabrication in house. We did not work everyday on this car to get it to this stage. I've got other projects going concurrently with the UK version 200SX shop car and other customer work.

Believe it, this kit will be made available.
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I am so jealous. Props to you for doing it. Even more if you make a kit for the swap. I know I've been looking at eventually doing something like this. You make it look so clean and so easy. How long did it take you to do it anyway?

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Postby lord_hypnos » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:30 am

D2180SX wrote:It took about a month to do the designs, a week to do the test fit and fabrication in house. We did not work everyday on this car to get it to this stage. I've got other projects going concurrently with the UK version 200SX shop car and other customer work.

Believe it, this kit will be made available.
I'll start savin now.


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