VG30DETT in a s14

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

kind of a weird story>

guy knocks on my apt. door today, says hes working on a project for his public speaking class here at the university....blah blah, wanted me to buy some mags so he can win this trip to australia... maybe a scam, doesnt matter.

what does matter is that we get onto the topic of cars, street racing, nissans, etc and he puts it out there that he has owned a z31 and a s14.

nothing that odd right? Then he goes on to say the z31 had the DE-TT in there, he had bought it like that from a friend. Then he said he blew his stock s14 block c/o some ridiculous amount of NOS, and claims to have the VG30DETT in there now, running quarters in the nines.

when i asked him if he had the car up here, he said no, its in san diego, but he is hopefully going to get it here soon.

he mentioned some car club, apparently with a really cool graphic, that he founded.

I realize public speakers have to be good on their toes (good job at BSing) but this guy was pretty convincing, and i know the V6 side of nissan pretty damn well. Got to wonder though, the owner of two TT'ed holy grails doesnt come knocking at your door every day. If he was lying, he is going to become a pro scam artist some day, lots of confidence, lots of details.

Any one know this guy? originally from san diego, now in champaign/urbana?

I wonder if that blue TT'd z31 is his...thought it was japanese tho...oh well... talk amongst yourselves

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

haha really!?

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

The Z31 didnt come with a DE-TT, and im not to sure it would a simple install. i know some guy here around austin got a VGTT in his S14, but this wasnt a good track car, just for show.

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

VG30DETT into a Z31 is not a simple install. We contemplating doing it to my friends Z31 and we decided against it.

And a VG30DETT S14 running 9's?

I think we would know about that.

Post by **MrFox** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

A *long* while back there was a guy who did a Z31 VG30ET to S14 swap... wonder if its the same dude.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

agreed, the DETT in the Z31 isnt easyat all, but I have seen it on the internet done once on an electric blue Z31...saw that several years ago when I was looking into doing the same...way too much work, too much cash.

megaseth, i would defnitely agree with the "bad track car" comment, the VG is a REALLY heavy engine, it would throw the 240's balance off unless it was considered.

oh well, maybe just another urban legend.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

MrFox wrote:A *long* while back there was a guy who did a Z31 VG30ET to S14 swap... wonder if its the same dude.

from what he said, it was a DETT that had originally been supplanted in a z31...

do you know any more info on the guy you mentioned?

Post by **SHIFT_Z** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

I must admit though- I wouldn't mind having a VG30DETT in my Z. Anyhow- I'm still at a pinch for money in my SINGLE turbo project.

-Kev

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

I think it'd be fun to put one in an old 200SX, that'd be fun...

Post by **MrFox** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Eswift wrote:from what he said, it was a DETT that had originally been supplanted in a z31...

do you know any more info on the guy you mentioned?

It was at least 1-1/2 year ago.. maybe on the old 240sx.org forums I think.

Unstable's website has some info on the swap. Perhaps they were involved.

Post by **gabossie** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

This is has been debated many a times, whether it's possible in an S14. I was actually considering it in my youthfull exuberance for displacement and twin turbo glory, but found it to be to much money. It is possible though, I know someone who is going to begin work on this project very soon infact. I guess Unstable has done it before, but I've never seen any proof.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

sorry for my ignorance, but what is the Unstable website?

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

http://www.unstable-hybrids.com

http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/FAQ_VG.htm

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Mattback has a VG30de(t?) in an S13 240sx. You might want to get in contact with him if you have any questions.

[email protected] <[email protected]>

Post by **I am Technoman** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

I think this would be cool project to do as a drag car setup! I would bang out the front fender wells and firewall and use massive turbos and skinny tires on the front and SLICKS!

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

A VG30DE into an S chassis would not be a bad idea at all. For one, it can be smog legal, and even though I never got a concrete answer about this, it might not throw off the weight balance much. While it is a heavier engine, it will sit even closer to the firewall than the SR or CA.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

the VG30DE, dry, without turbos, weighs in at 397 lbs. thats everything including all manifolds, TBs, EGR system.

whats the stock 240 engine weigh in at?

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Mattback has a VG30ET not DET. and the KA weighs in as much as the SR with all its plumbing does.

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Megaseth wrote:The Z31 didnt come with a DE-TT, and im not to sure it would a simple install. i know some guy here around austin got a VGTT in his S14, but this wasnt a good track car, just for show.

Incorrect, the car never got an engine swap.

Post by **spec-v5150** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

http://forums.freshalloy.com/u...48080

--includes pics. While it may be a NA...from all the room he has, you could work around to get the TT in there

Post by **RobDET** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Those guys are good. One came to my door and asked what i was interested in... blah blah blah and we were talking about my Swapped CRX. He skillfully got me to say the best 1/4 time before he would just by guiding the conversation... i told him 14.2 @ 97 and he said he sad a hatch with a motorswap that was running 13.5 @ 110. Quick math or a real sotry?

I think he was making it up as he went... Those magizine subscription deals are a scam. You as the customer really get the magizines but the seller only gets something like a quarter for every subscription. The companies send the kids all around the US and make them pay for rend out of their payroll. It's a lame deal. Look around on google and you can find out more abuot it.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

either way, he didnt even have the magazine I would have considered buying.

for those of you who haven't, check out "racecar engineering" magazine, hefty price here in the states, but nothing stopping you from going to borders and reading it there.

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

I was talking about the car here in Austin that supposedly had a VG30DETT in it. They only claimed they were gonna put the engine in... the same how they claimed they were gonna put an RB26DETT in another guy's car. Yet they somehow get credit for doing it.

Post by **MrFox** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

RobDET wrote:Those magizine subscription deals are a scam. You as the customer really get the magizines but the seller only gets something like a quarter for every subscription. The companies send the kids all around the US and make them pay for rend out of their payroll. It's a lame deal. Look around on google and you can find out more abuot it.

Recruitment is where the kids make money. Its a prymiad scheme.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

just like those knives i guess...

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Nismo_Freak wrote:I was talking about the car here in Austin that supposedly had a VG30DETT in it. They only claimed they were gonna put the engine in... the same how they claimed they were gonna put an RB26DETT in another guy's car. Yet they somehow get credit for doing it.

Yeah, they had that car in one of the Ricemags. that one with the 13.5" front brake rotors and the $1000 a pint paint. someone had said the car was in a shop with the VG30DETT in it, but i guess they didnt know what was going on. its funny how things change when rumors are spread.

Post by **Megaseth** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

lol, just thought of this about rumors and cars. a guy i knew and worked with bought an eclipse GS. he put some cheap blitz style kit on it and the rumors started to fly. the funniest thing i heard was some guying saying he had a twin turbo in his car and that it was really fast. i quickly corrected him and told the him that the guys car didnt even have a single turbo.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

sad that everyone belives without actually seeing the engine... (or even hearing)

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Eswift wrote:the VG30DE, dry, without turbos, weighs in at 397 lbs. thats everything including all manifolds, TBs, EGR system.

whats the stock 240 engine weigh in at?

I'd have to see that to believe it. There's alot more mass to the V6, especially the DE with 2 additional cams, 2 cylinders worth of iron, 2 more rods/pistons + cranklength, larger oil pan, huge intake manifold w/ two more runners, two more runners on the iron exhaust manifolds, one additional head, etc. etc. etc.

500lbs. I'd believe.

Post by **Eswift** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 pm

if you dont believe 397lb, then you are deluding yourself: its not really a debate unless you have weighed one and shipped it.

bare long block weighs in at 355 lbs.

add 115 lbs for the 5 speed transmission.

how accurate of a weight do you have for the engine you are comparing the VG30DE against?- you havent even mentioned any numbers.

VG30DETT in a s14

VG30DETT in a s14

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