Very soft clutch pedal.

[Chingon]

Ever since I got my car the clutch has been VERY soft. Master cylinder and slave cylinder have replaced a while back and the system was bled as well but this didn't fix it. Just last week we replaced the clutch on the car and the pedal is still very soft to push. It engages fine and the pedal position is just fine. The only problem is that it is extremely soft and offer almost no resistance.What could it be?

[TurboKA37]

strong leg muscles. happens to me too

[elbles]

Yeah, I doubt you have anything to worry about. I've driven quite a few manual 240's, as well as lots of other manual cars, and the 240's have always had the softest clutch pedal, for better or worse.

[Mr1der]

heh, they all feel soft when I drive the T Bird everyday.

get a heavier clutch if you want a stroger pedal feel:D

[Chingon]

my brother's 240's clutch pedal feels A LOT harder and I am pretty sure his clutch is OEM

[Chingon]

will air in the system have anything to do with it?

[[Zero-S]]

Get a stronger spring?

[teriyakibroccoli]

a what ?? :wtf:

[Chingon]

Get a stronger spring?

That's what I'm thinking, but where or which?

[navysnail]

the spring would be the pressure plate, you replaced that too when you did your clutch right?

[Chingon]

no, the spring would be the return spring located inside the master.

[180fan]

Yeah I'm having the same problem with mine. The pedal's way soft. OEM clutch or not, the pedal's not as stiff as my buddy's stock s14 clutch, no where near as stiff as my toyota buddies clutch pedals either. I know there has to be a way to make the line stiffer. I don't have any air, and also have the damper loop removed with a stainless line.

[240 Trainee]

I have a Spec Stage 3 clutch, with a stainless steel clutch line, and I deleated the damper system, an I get a soft feel as well. Kinda weird...

[rousie13]

I also have a stock clutch with soft pedal feel. It engages fine and functionis perfectlly, so not going to worry about it.

[Chingon]

This is "chingon's brother" speaking....and I guess if you are used to the soft pedal, than it's fine and all, but I find it it's much easier to shift w/my hard pedal. In other words, I feel a much better control in-between shifts...of couse, I don't drive my bro's car much, so that may just be lack of experience w/a soft pedal. However, i think that anyone who has a stiff pedal will agree, there is a much better feel and feedback from what the car is doing...

Any ideas on what I can look in my own car that may cause this "stiff" feel so that I we can do it to my bro's and pass the knowledge here?

[Chingon]

I really doubt that the little spring inside the master cylinder would have enough resistance to make the pedal hard. maybe the pressure plate like 240kid mentioned

[skydragoness]

BACK FROM THE DEAD BUMP!!

I'm curious if you (Chingon) ever found out what it was that was making the clutch soft? I just drove home from work today, and I noticed my clutch was softer than usual, (which was already softer than my bf's fastback anyway). My car has 102k and a new slave cylinder and SPL clutch line, properly bled this past fall.

Luckily I have a Exedy OEM clutch heading my way for X-mas, although I'm curious if you guys have ever adjusted the tension on the clutch arm? A friend of mine did that for me a few years ago on my old S13 and it was a lot firmer but then the clutch started slipping, which led me to believe my old S13's pressure plate was probably on its way out. In your case though, you have a new clutch right? I'd try the tensioner. I hate how soft my clutch is, does anyone know what the lb-rating is for the clutch? I think I'd like something like 30-35lbs.

[dickie]

you could always remove the clutch damper system like this guy did

go to guides and you can see it from there

[Sil40_Mayhem]

Oddness. The S14 I test drove last week had an uber soft clutch pedal, but it engaged smooth and fine. On the flipside, the clutch in mah Teg is so hard that I swear my left leg now is as powerful as that of an olympic high jumper.

[TheOne]

mine feels soft too! i replaced the clutch not long ago and it feels soft, i drove my friends S14 and it felt hard, my friend drove mine and even he said it felt too soft.

the clutch still engages fine.

[InsanityInc]

Luckily I have a Exedy OEM clutch heading my way for X-mas, although I'm curious if you guys have ever adjusted the tension on the clutch arm? A friend of mine did that for me a few years ago on my old S13 and it was a lot firmer but then the clutch started slipping, which led me to believe my old S13's pressure plate was probably on its way out. In your case though, you have a new clutch right? I'd try the tensioner. I hate how soft my clutch is, does anyone know what the lb-rating is for the clutch? I think I'd like something like 30-35lbs.

Tension on the clutch arm? Huh? Is there some way to adjust the clutch fork that i've never heard of?

[Red coupe]

Maybe he just bent the diaphragm spring some how so it was pressing on the pressure plate harder? would probably leave the clutch some what engaged and cause it to wear out faster like she mentioned.

Chingon have you checked your brothers car to see if his dampener is still in place? that link d!ck gave should have some pictures...

[yessir240]

is your clutch dampener off?

[skydragoness]

Maybe he just bent the diaphragm spring some how so it was pressing on the pressure plate harder? would probably leave the clutch some what engaged and cause it to wear out faster like she mentioned.

Chingon have you checked your brothers car to see if his dampener is still in place? that link d!ck gave should have some pictures...

Yeah, i think that's what he did because I drove my mom somewhere the next day and the clutch started slipping pretty bad after 3,500 rpm, so I had to pull it in to an Advanced Auto parts store and buy some tools to loosen it up so we could actually get home. My mom was so pissed cause it took me an hour of fanoodling in 90 degree weather. That was years ago.

As far as my dampener goes, i figured I didn't have to mention I removed/bypassed it w/ the SPL line--because you *have* to remove the dampener when you put the line on. But yesterday on my way home from work its starting to engage closer to the floor than I would like it to. My clutch doesn't slip, and it engages adequately, its just a little creepy. I'm wondering its just a sign of a pressure plate going or a bad master clutch cylinder.

[grosspolluter]

The rule of thumb is: Soft clutch pedal = Soft driver.

[skydragoness]

The rule of thumb is: Soft clutch pedal = Soft driver.

[phuphyter]

^ x2grosspolluter, elaborate please.

It took a while until someone mentioned the clutch damper.

[Red coupe]

That doesn't seem to be what they say at all....

[Red coupe]

But yesterday on my way home from work its starting to engage closer to the floor than I would like it to. My clutch doesn't slip, and it engages adequately, its just a little creepy. I'm wondering its just a sign of a pressure plate going or a bad master clutch cylinder.

If the pressure plate or clutch disc were worn the pedal would actually rise. The pressure plate is not pressed against the clutch disc directly by a spring. The spring acts on one side of a level with its fulcrum in the middle, and the other side pushing against the back side of the pressure plate. so when the pressure plate moves inward as the clutch disc wears thinner the throw out bearing moves outwards, making the pedal rest higher.

In case that didn't make sense just look at the picture

[frosti108]

back from the dead.... but... we have a ka24e... we put in a new throwout bearing clutch disk pressure plate slave cyl master cyl and the dampner box is removed... bled many times, adjusted the pedal all kinds of ways.... still have a super soft clutch pedal. WTF???? i think the new slave could even be bad even though its like the 2nd or 3rd one weve put in... any suggestions??

how about pedal springs anyone ever take them out>?