vert are more stiff?

[Oligator]

Hi!Im a new one on this website. I got a big question. The chassis of a vert... Is it more stiff then a hatchback or a coupe? My old car was a 240 hatchback and I think the car have more flex. If Im correct the side skirt is a one piece. Its not a 2 piece like a normal 240sx? Sorry to say side skirt... I dont know the word in english dans I dont have a dictionnary! dammmmithaha thanks again!I will take pics soon of my car. Its all stock but not in this summer! It will be funny!Im in big love with nico. People are great and joking. So thats it!

[MadmikeX3]

The vert was made with more bracing to help out with the no roof Situation. This here should answer your question. zerothread?id=77984
Modified by MadmikeX3 at 10:36 PM 1/17/2008

[Oligator]

wouaaaa thanks madmike.This is why the car is slow a little to! haha Thanks again.I will buy that manual.

[Eikon]

wouaaaa thanks madmike.This is why the car is slow a little to! haha Thanks again.I will buy that manual.

No need to buy it.. We have it hosted here for your viewing pleasure:http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/24...t.pdf

[Oligator]

Thanks Eikon! I print it. Thats my new manual to read!

[bakgwailo]

i would also like to point out that even with all the extra bracing and metal, stock verts still twist like noodles

really though, I would have to say my hatch is a lot stiffer and has less body roll than the 'vert.

[Oligator]

Thats weird... My ex fastback have tension rod battle version and super drift tein coilover and still never had the handling of my stock vert. Say never had this handling is compare the fastback with the vert. I mean if my vert will have the setup of my old car will be much better. My friend have 3 stock fastback and say the same thing. The handling is much better. And for the body roll is good. Its stock soooo have body roll but not like a fastback. People what you think about your vert?

[AZhitman]

i would also like to point out that even with all the extra bracing and metal, stock verts still twist like noodles

Not necessarily.

From this article: http://www.nicoclub.com/articl...shtml

On a side note - There are those who believe the 240sx convertible is insufficiently stiff for racing or high-horsepower applications. They couldn't be more wrong.

Folks who have driven a Fox-body convertible or a GM F-body will believe that ALL convertibles exhibit cowl shake and frame flexion. It's simply not the case with this car. Several aftermarket parts you see available for drift and track use are nearly identical to the ASC-installed structural bracing seen on the convertible.

Fender braces tie the firewall and door hinge pillars to the strut towers. Floor bar (behind seats) tightens up the midsection. Bracing underneath the front footwells ties the frame together in front. A fully-boxed bulkhead ties the rear strut towers together on all three sides. Bracing behind the fuel cell ties the rearmost sections of the frame together.

Prior to adding any bracing, and to prove a point to some of the locals, we placed a jack under the left-front corner of the frame, and lifted it 6". Both doors still opened without binding, and depending on where we placed the jack, either the whole front or the whole side came up with it.

Similar results were attained on an S13 Coupe, but the 2 hatches we did this to didn't fare so well - Neither one was able to open the driver's door.

The debate will continue forever, but the bottom line is, the convertible chassis is well-braced and stout, in some cases more so than an unbraced hatch or coupe.

[Oligator]

I see a vert s13 with a f22c turbo at d1 in a article. The car is stock with a cage and shock tower are spot weld. Why I say that. Dont know but is car is crazy. Personnaly I dont like is setup but the car run great with 350 whp.

[onosqv]

Thats weird... My ex fastback have tension rod battle version and super drift tein coilover and still never had the handling of my stock vert. Say never had this handling is compare the fastback with the vert. I mean if my vert will have the setup of my old car will be much better. My friend have 3 stock fastback and say the same thing. The handling is much better. And for the body roll is good. Its stock soooo have body roll but not like a fastback. People what you think about your vert?

Maybe it's the way you guys are driving, hahahaha. Or your vert could be in better condition than their fastbacks - maybe their bushings are more worn, or their coilovers are crappy, who knows.

The s13 vert may be stiffer than one initially thinks, but it definitely doesn't "out-handle" a comparable coupe/fastback/whatever.

I autoxed the coupe w/ basically full-on suspension, single cam.

The vert when stock, felt almost the same as a stock 240sx coupe, however it is noticeably heavier - weighed the stock vert w/ spare tire & 1/2 tank gas -> about 3108lbs w/o driver. Body roll didn't seem that bad, as the shocks gave way sooner than the body flex (if any) was felt.

Now, w/ full upgraded suspension on the vert & a roll bar along w/ some initial lightening of the chassis (silvia front, cf hood, fiberglass fenders, door mod, lighter seat, etc - but added roll bar, which brings back 40lbs or so) it feels great, but it doesn't feel quite as nimble as my coupe or other 240's.

Don't get me wrong, I love the vert and will continue tracking it, and it doesn't matter much as long as you are not going for that .00x seconds or whatever.

Sure, you can make the vert lighter, but there's only so much before you lose practicality.

This, of course, is just my opinion. I'm by no means an expert.

[madcowvert]

I see a vert s13 with a f22c turbo at d1 in a article. The car is stock with a cage and shock tower are spot weld. Why I say that. Dont know but is car is crazy. Personnaly I dont like is setup but the car run great with 350 whp.

I don't know how much you know about the car but it is far from stock.

For one it's a full cage not just a rool bar. this cage is made to help at every flex point of the chassis. kei office suspension and peak performace bushings. and a whole seam welded chasis.

this car i one stiff ride and far from stock

[Oligator]

Sorry... Yes Its a full roll cage... I dont want to debate on this subject. hahaJust want to know people what think about vert. And yes the car is full spot weld with bushing... Its a d1 car.

[madcowvert]

there was a therad before on the car when it came out i think the title was Ben shwartz (sp) it's the drives name do a search and you can see all the reply's..

I my self love the car i think it looks great and has a great motor and if you have ever driven an s2k you would know why.

[Silvia_Drift]

In my opinion, the vert is braced better than the fastback or coupe but it still twists more than the other two counterparts. I do get some cowl shake when going over some very large bumps which is what I've been trying to eliminate. I got AZHitman's STB and I have ordered an Ultra Racing 4 point underbrace. Hopefully these will stiffen up the front end more.

I also used to take my old coupe autocrossing as well as my new vert and the coupe felt much more stiffer and more nimble. The vert is noticably heavier.

[94_240sx]

In my opinion, the vert is braced better than the fastback or coupe but it still twists more than the other two counterparts. I do get some cowl shake when going over some very large bumps which is what I've been trying to eliminate. I got AZHitman's STB and I have ordered an Ultra Racing 4 point underbrace. Hopefully these will stiffen up the front end more.

You should check out CS trunk brace, JYG Custom front and J-Spec rear ladder bars. I have them on my vert and I love them. I put as many braces as I could and it's much better now. Nismo power brace and pillow ball tension rods stiffen up the front really good.

[Silvia_Drift]

Thanks for the advice 94_240sx. I just did a quick search and found your install threads. Great writeups. I highly doubt that trunk bar does anything but the ladder bars look cool. There is too much modification on the rear bar for me (it would annoy me if it sat crooked) so I think I'll grab the front ladder bar since its a bolt on affair.

[Silvia_Drift]

Hmm, I just got an email back from JGY. Aparantly they don't carry the front ladder bars anymore. Does anyone know where else I can get them?

[AZhitman]

Hard to find. I bought mine used from a local (front and rear)...

Maybe rotorimp (from Fabricator's Market forum) will reproduce them for the S13....

[94_240sx]

Hmm, I just got an email back from JGY. Aparantly they don't carry the front ladder bars anymore. Does anyone know where else I can get them?

I bet they sold all of them right after my write up. Price was only $67, so I bet many people checked it out and bought it.Both bars are originally from Do-Luck. Do-Luck discontinued them and only s14 ones are available. rotoimp should make them. I can see a lot of potential demand for these bars.

Yes, I would have installed this one if I didn't get Yashio Factory Kiwami core support. One of the vert members has this one installed. I saw some pics once. I like it a lot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...83542

[Silvia_Drift]

Yea, I ordered one of those 4 point braces. Hopefully it will get here soon. I still feel like the transmission tunnel/ middle section of the car is not adequately braced. I need to find one of those ft ladder bars!!

[Oligator]

Sorry for long news. I say I will send pics of my old 240sx and here we go.