Versa Turbo Question

[Skim302]

Alright I was browsing the site and saw a turbo post that FoxRacing commented on, and he said....

Also, you don't need to buy injectors either, stocks one work. No external fuel pump needed at all either.All you need to do a kit in a Versa is this:

GT28RSExhaust ManifoldIntercooler Piping (get that bent)Blow off ValveExtreme Oil Pump (you need to pump back in the oil to the top of the valve cover)Stock injectorsNo engine managementDone deal folks, start betting the **** out of your car like I do!!

If this is true and this is all you need, how much will all of it cost and is it not a very good thing for the engine?

[Ever Victorious]

There are a couple things that I can find wrong with that from a longevity standpoint.

Yes, most cars can have a turbo put on w/o engine management, but they can only run safely at LOW pressures. like 3-5psi MAX if you're lucky. Factory turboed cars have lower compression ratios and different internals for a reason: they'll blow up if they don't have em.

Also, he says "no external fuel pump necessary". I also find this hard to believe as some stock Versas have been having problems with fuel pumps losing pressure even WITHOUT modifications.

It's been said before and we will keep saying it and saying it as many times as is necessary: To get a RELIABLE turbo setup, you will have to spend a significant amount of money! Unless you are an automotive engineer (which, by the fact you are asking, says you're not), this is NOT something you can do in your garage on the cheap.

[jspec603]

No engine management

I give your car a week

Detonation is a Bee-och!

[lain]

eh as long as you get your car tuned you should be fine. with that setup you will be looking at a 40-60hp increases in the 3-5psi range, which is really good and will help out the versa, but ya getting tunned is a must. But I wouldn't take the chance right now seeing how new the versa's are and if you do blow the motor, rebuilding it is going to seem impossible seeing there are no internal upgrades yet and buying a another motor is out of the question because a new motor will cost you like 6-8 grand. unless you get a used 1.6L from japan. I think it can be done safely. Just don't do it to your daily driver is my only advice.

[Rockhound]

eh as long as you get your car tuned you should be fine. with that setup you will be looking at a 40-60hp increases in the 3-5psi range, which is really good and will help out the versa, but ya getting tunned is a must. But I wouldn't take the chance right now seeing how new the versa's are and if you do blow the motor, rebuilding it is going to seem impossible seeing there are no internal upgrades yet and buying a another motor is out of the question because a new motor will cost you like 6-8 grand. unless you get a used 1.6L from japan. I think it can be done safely. Just don't do it to your daily driver is my only advice.

Where did you come up with any of this (contradictory) stuff? 40-60 hp gain on 3-5 psi?

First you say "as long as you get your car tuned you should be fine..." and then you say "I wouldn't take the chance right now..." and then "I think it can be done safely..."

And don't blame this on the lack of coffee.

[lain]

Well it matters on the size of the intercooler and piping. I should have said 25-60. Usually turbo upgrades give about a 10hp increase per psi. Thats what I went off of. Then you have the piping, intercooler (colder the better) position of the piping. downpipe and exhaust.

Stop taking parts and bits of what I said like some Jehovah Witness. I was just showing him all the possibilities. I was saying he should be fine, I wouldn't do it right now and I think it can be done safely. I already answered the questions dont have me repeat myself.

[dopey]

Load of ****.

You'll need a Engine Management System or at the VERY LEAST a piggyback system to allow for the tuning of the air fuel ratios and other mapping etc etc etc such as an Apexi AVC-R

Stock injectors and fuel pump would be way too small for anything more than a couple of psi boost if that.

Would quite likely need to have the compression lowered as well if you want the engine to last longer than five minutes.

Adding a turbo to a N/A car is not a simple bolt on job.

You'll notice on the CarDomain page for that particular turbo tiida it has the following mods listed:

Engine:1.8L MR18DE - 6 SpeedZPI Racing Turbo Kit-Garrett GT2871 Turbo-ZPI Velocity Stack-ZPI 440 high flow injectors-ZPI 2.5 inch stainless steel intercooler piping-ZPI 26x12x3 Intercooler-ZPI 4 ply couplers-ZPI T Bolt clamps-ZPI Mass conversion-ZPI High Flow Oil Pump-ZPI Water & Oil lines-ZPI 2.5 inch T304 Stainless Uppipe-ZPI 2.5 inch T304 Stainless Downpipe-ZPI ECU & Brake reservoir heat shields-ZPI Mini Battery and relocation kit-ZPI Aluminum Valve Cover-Tial Blow off Valve-Synapse Engineering WastegateZPI Crank PulleyZPI Stage 3 ClutchZPI 9lb FlywheelZPI Mid pipe and Tanabe Axle Back ExhaustAEM Tru Boost GaugeAEM Wideband Air/Fuel Gauge

As you can see for starters it has highflowed injectors.. nothing mentioned about ECU or fuel pump but to produce power RELIABLY it would HAVE to have these things done.

[Skim302]

Yeah what he said you needed sounded kind of scetchy lol.

[jspec603]

Why is this topic being covered in two different threads?!?!? We already covered this in your other thread....If you read my post in that, I said basicly the same damn thing.

[MIdnkight-lude]

truthfully even a bolt on turbo isnt safe.

My former Boss, who owns a CAR SHOP. had a greddy bolt on turbo on his Civic Si beat the living **** out of it. it lasted a good year, maybe year and half. after he remove it, and remove the engine, he had already lost two piston rings. and god knows what else was done to teh engine. unfortunelly for you, you dont have access to a shop that can pull a motor for cheap. and then repair the motor for cheap. TURBO isn't slap this and that on, and hope it runs.

Like i mention choose 2 of the 3, cheap, reliable, fast. most ppl go cheap and fast...

Now, if you didnt get it before, it hard to do a custom turbo manifold because to access the engine bay while the tube are on the car is hard. if you have ever look from underneith the car, there is very little room. Using the stock manifold would work. but yaaa......

Like i mention in the other thread, get it done right, and you will be more happy, and your car will last a lil longer. but still expect to shell out 5-8k for someone to do it. go around to all the speed shop and ask for a quote.

oh i forgot to mention unless you know someone expect your car to be in the shop for close to 3weeks to 3 month.

and the regular issue that can pop up, let not talk about. my friend's supercharge prelude has been in the shop more then it has been driving. >_<

[lain]

ya too bad not everyone here use to work at a import shop and can get things for 1/3 the price everyone else gets things for. hmmm maybe i can get all 3...cheap, fast, and reliable.

[jspec603]

ya too bad not everyone here use to work at a import shop and can get things for 1/3 the price everyone else gets things for. hmmm maybe i can get all 3...cheap, fast, and reliable.

I can! I actually do work in on of those 'import shops' and I CAN get everything at cost. Is still very expensive to do this job start to finish. And ya, expect to easily spend 5-8k start to finish. All depends on what products you use.

[S14-NEO]

i'd also like to add that i hope you're not planning on setting this turbo setup on a CVT transmission...i dont think they will like each other very much

[Skim302]

Yeah I have a manual. Im not planning on putting one on anytime soon anyway but thanks

[shreqboi909]

well, i dont think u guys should be discussin this subject much until one of u has actually done it or know someone that has already.

everything depends on who u know and who does it for u.

just my 2 cents...

[CARI0CA]

Good choice, if you really need the extra ponies, trade your car in for a 200 HP Spec V Sentra SER. I would have paid the extra $5k or so over my Versa SL CVT if my wife would go for a 6 speed trans!Do you know bad the fuel economy is of 300HP Subaru if you are "on the pipe" quite often? You might as well drive a V8 Mustang or a Chrysler 300 AWD!

[Nismo V]

The best thing for you to do for a Turbo would be to wait til a full kit is available and has been tested. Unless you plan on guinea pigging the V since cost will be high $$$ regardless if you have or don"t have experience with turbo setups.

Also the Fox setup hasn't been track tested yet so it would be wise to wait and see what it can really do before following that list of parts used.

The one thing to remember bro is the best built rides are the ones that have been done slowly over time not the first one modded.