veilside VS. Greddy intake mani?

[TunaFish]

i can get either one, i was wondering what are the advantages to both? the veilside i know is sheetmetal and the greddy is cast. anyone know of proformance differences with the 2? top end, low end ect? I am leaning to the veilside because of looks, and how rare it is, but that might just be the ricer in me.this would be going on a rb25 with a gt30 and supporting mods if it makes any diff.

[themadscientist]

Never messed with the Veilside but A freind had the Greddy and it was a nice peice. I would reccomend that.

[TunaFish]

I have never heard of anyone using the veilside on thier RB but from what i have heard/seen from the supra crowd, its a baller mani. the one i can get isn't true velside but it is a custom made %100 replica of one, cant justify shelling out $2,700 for an intake mani

[themadscientist]

Then I don't think you should. The Greddy is an excellent peice for a decent price. Do you really need any new manifold at all though? I know it looks great and certainly outflows the OEM unit but unless you are shooting for high 400 and above the stock manifold does it's job and that is money freed up for other things. Just mo $.02

[Dano]

I wish we had a local US company that made custom mani's like the RIPS style or something of that nature for the $500 range... thatd be pimp

-Dan

[TunaFish]

Then I don't think you should. The Greddy is an excellent peice for a decent price. Do you really need any new manifold at all though? I know it looks great and certainly outflows the OEM unit but unless you are shooting for high 400 and above the stock manifold does it's job and that is money freed up for other things. Just mo $.02

I am at 396rwhp with a gt30 stock exhaust mani, and stock intake mani, i am replacing both and keeping the boost the same to try and get a little more power and get the lag down a bit.

the veilside knock off i am having made is around the same price as the greddy

[themadscientist]

The exhuast manifold will yeild a big response increase. That OEM RB turbo manifold is not a flowmonster for sure!

[rbpower240sx]

Hello, fyi, veilside makes an intake plenum for the 2jzgtte & rb26dett only. Go to http://www.takakaira.com to see the companies that make intake plenums for your application.

[gt3037s]

Hey here is the Veilside for RB.....(Veilside COPY)

[enginerd]

Hello, fyi, veilside makes an intake plenum for the 2jzgtte & rb26dett only. Go to http://www.takakaira.com to see the companies that make intake plenums for your application.

The only RB intake plenum on that site is the Nismo one. You can't pick your application, you have to go through each manufacturer name and see if parts are listed for your setup. They don't even have Veilside parts listed!

[rbpower240sx]

sorry for the missunderstanding

[lucky7]

my greddy manifold should be in early this next week. im interested to see how it looks up close. that veilside knock off still looks pretty swank.

[TunaFish]

Hello, fyi, veilside makes an intake plenum for the 2jzgtte & rb26dett only. Go to http://www.takakaira.com to see the companies that make intake plenums for your application.

I know they only make it for those 2 motors, thats why in my post i had stated that it was a replica of one. GT3037s is the guy im getting the manifold from

[narfdanarf]

That's pretty baller, what kinda price?

PM me or whatever

[ARGAMEMENON]

We've been making intake manifolds for sometime now for Supras, and have recently extended production to the RB series motors.

Heres an example:[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

This manifold also outflowed the Veilside (316 cfm vs. 280 cfm)

We can machine them to accept ANY throttle body.

[enginerd]

Argamemenon, how is the flow distribution for your design? Were you able to measure the cfm's for each chamber?

[krayton]

^^ and price?

[TunaFish]

We've been making intake manifolds for sometime now for Supras, and have recently extended production to the RB series motors.

Heres an example:[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

This manifold also outflowed the Veilside (316 cfm vs. 280 cfm)

We can machine them to accept ANY throttle body.

that just looks like the stock runners with a different plenum welded onto them.....

[ARGAMEMENON]

Flow on our manifold was between 315.xxx cfm and 316.xxx cfm per runner, where as the Veilside manifold flowed 280's and was off by as much as 4 or 5 cfm per runner (I'll try and find the flow chart to verify #'s)

Price is $750, although negotiable if need be.

We have a few RB20 cores, other than that we would need a core from you.

All vacuum fittings/senors can be swapped over from the factory manifold.
Modified by ARGAMEMENON at 10:46 PM 7/24/2005

[ARGAMEMENON]

Tuna, you are correct. The manifod pictured is for a 2JZ, which has fairly straight runners that taper quite a bit. To use a new piece of tubing for each runner the ends would have to be crimped down resulting in a runner with a smaller diameter than the flange opening. Using the stock lower runner section actually allows for a larger runner.

We do use custom runners on our RB manifolds however. We use the stock flange so you can retain the stock coolant route, along with the stock sensors...ect

RB20 flange cut for new runners[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

New runners for RB26[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

[gt3037s]

Here is a copy veilside for 2JZ look....

[gt3037s]

If u guy need a copy sheet metal veilside LOOK intake manifold for RB20/Rb25/Rb26 and 2jz also SR20. Please Email me : [email protected] u can pick a Flangs for TB . like VH45 from Q45 TB or Stock TB .and VG30DET TB.Shipping : take from 1 week to 1.5 week to your house.

Thanksgt3037S

[Yellow4g63]

I would like to also remind people to be very careful when dealing with people over the internet. I don't mean to slam you guys but someone came on here not too long ago and promised intake manifolds for cheap and ended up ripping of a few of the forum members. Is there is someone who lives in the same town or city that can vouch for them? I'd hate to see someone get ripped off again. Not saying that you guys are going too but you never know.

[ARGAMEMENON]

We are doing a front facing manifold for "Eikon" here on the forums. We just had his car down at our shop last week and fabricated a downpipe for his RB20. He lives just north of us.

[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

As far as the Veilside knock-offs, fit and finish is very poor, there is weld in the runners, and the ports do not line up even remotely close. I don't know how many Supra enthusiasts dropped their $ on theese thinking they were getting a quality piece at a reasonable price, only to find that after machining the warped flange, port matching all the runners and so, that it wasn't worth it. One Supra owner did a before and after dyno with one of these knock-offs compared to stock, and he lost 40 wheel horsepower. Now it seems unlikely that a larger plenum with velocity stacks and all would result in a loss of 40 wheel horsepower, but I guess once you have the manifold in your hands, and can see how much weld/casting is in each runner, and can see how off the runners are from lining up to the head, then it all starts to make sense.

I think I read about that guy who was ripping people off, he did the KA-t manifolds right? Those looked like garbage too...

[Eikon]

100% thumbs up!!!!

Yellow4G63 is right.. you do need to be careful working with people on the internet.

I will vouch for Argamemenon and his shop. They are great guys with a lot of car knowledge. They do a very nice job. Their welding is top notch!

If you don't beleive me, get ahold of PsiloX (another NICO RB20 member). He lives in Oshkosh a few minutes from their shop... I am sure he would be willing to stop by and scope things out if another person wanted a neutral source 2nd opinion.

I am hoping to pony up enough dough so that I can pay them to get my manifold finished up. Then I can hit a dyno and show some finished product results.

[TunaFish]

We are doing a front facing manifold for "Eikon" here on the forums. We just had his car down at our shop last week and fabricated a downpipe for his RB20. He lives just north of us.

[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

As far as the Veilside knock-offs, fit and finish is very poor, there is weld in the runners, and the ports do not line up even remotely close. I don't know how many Supra enthusiasts dropped their $ on theese thinking they were getting a quality piece at a reasonable price, only to find that after machining the warped flange, port matching all the runners and so, that it wasn't worth it. One Supra owner did a before and after dyno with one of these knock-offs compared to stock, and he lost 40 wheel horsepower. Now it seems unlikely that a larger plenum with velocity stacks and all would result in a loss of 40 wheel horsepower, but I guess once you have the manifold in your hands, and can see how much weld/casting is in each runner, and can see how off the runners are from lining up to the head, then it all starts to make sense.

I think I read about that guy who was ripping people off, he did the KA-t manifolds right? Those looked like garbage too...

i dont know what you are refering to when your talking about the veilside mani, but i have seen the manifolds and there are no warped flanges, welds in the runners ect. unless you saw them from another company i am going to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. I will post up before and after dynos with this manifold just so there is some documented case with intake manifolds. i searched and didnt find ****.

as far as working with people over the internet, i am not working with gt3037 on the internet, he lives in the same town as me, and i have met up with him more times than i can count. i have known him to do business online without any problems, so if its a vouch you need i have one for him.

[ARGAMEMENON]

Heres a link regarding the 2JZ Veilside knock-off, the manifold gt3037s posted in his first pic:

http://www.supraforums.com/for...pp=25

Take a look at page 24 for the 45 wheel hp loss....page 20 on up is filled with pics and install info.

The makers of this manifold ARE taking strides to correct all the errors associated with this manifold, so thats good news at least.

Hopefully the knock-off RB series manifolds don't have these sort of problems, and from the what you say Tuna, it sounds like they dont:-)

Not trying to slam gt3037s at all, but from my experience with these knock-offs, at least for the 2JZ, is that theres a lot of room for improvement. I hope you understand where I am coming from.

[Yellow4g63]

We are doing a front facing manifold for "Eikon" here on the forums. We just had his car down at our shop last week and fabricated a downpipe for his RB20. He lives just north of us.

[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

As far as the Veilside knock-offs, fit and finish is very poor, there is weld in the runners, and the ports do not line up even remotely close. I don't know how many Supra enthusiasts dropped their $ on theese thinking they were getting a quality piece at a reasonable price, only to find that after machining the warped flange, port matching all the runners and so, that it wasn't worth it. One Supra owner did a before and after dyno with one of these knock-offs compared to stock, and he lost 40 wheel horsepower. Now it seems unlikely that a larger plenum with velocity stacks and all would result in a loss of 40 wheel horsepower, but I guess once you have the manifold in your hands, and can see how much weld/casting is in each runner, and can see how off the runners are from lining up to the head, then it all starts to make sense.

I think I read about that guy who was ripping people off, he did the KA-t manifolds right? Those looked like garbage too...

Yeah he jacked a guy for a RB bread box manifold. You have been vouched for

[Yellow4g63]

Ohhh yeah on the RB20 intake manifold. I'll save you some time and trouble. The Thermostat housing might need to be modified. My Rips intake manifold came with a modded unit since the manifold would not go on with the stock unit in place. Hope that helps you in some way.

[gt3037s]

Hey guy I am a GT3037S from Michigan. I never ripping people off.I import a manifold from oversea.I never sale it online yet . or Ebay.(EBAY COPY MANIFOLD IS JUNK) My is COPY but not JUNK for sure.

Here is my Email: [email protected] u have any ?????? please email me.

Modified by gt3037s at 4:20 PM 7/19/2005
Modified by gt3037s at 4:24 PM 7/19/2005