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Hey guys and the handful of gals. I am just checking my better judgement and ideas of an anonomous letter I recieved, with you, to check if my thoughts of it being valid hold value...

Saw a plain envelope addressed to Lloyd (first name only) last night (sunday) in the saturday mail pile (keep this in mind). Like I said first name only, no return address, drive in place of the proper street listing of avenue for my street, zip was my cities other zip and not mine, and they miss wrote the house number and wrote over it correcting themselves. It was sent regular mail and local (I can read the first 3 digits of the postmark zip only as the stamp is faint)... That about covers the envelope..

For the letter its on yellow, non legal, top bound, micro-perferated paper, like it matters, but is odd :) Adressed to me, with no adressees signature (no **** its anon)... All words are spelled correctly, which based on my interactions with some of you guys, makes them halfway intelligent, and without hesitation.

Basically it states they were out with a friend, at a SPECIFIC adult club (non nude from my reasarch and info but still), and my girl was working there, and danced for thier friend... No clues as to the gender of the sender even, other then the handwriting which seems feminine due to the style, but is borderline. The style is 100% unique in almost all ways, even the numerical writings, and I will recognize it possibly 5 yrs down the line its that unique. The consistancy of the wring without hesistation is nearly flawless in its deviation, thus not a masked handwriting, but a true style.

Now the club mentioned is one I heard of a while back as my girls best friend has done work there, as thats what she does. She invited her to go down with her on one occasion I know of but declined, thus my rememberance of the club. Well that, and it sounded like a dive of a place from the name alone. My girl in the past has brought up doing that a few times to have me shoot it down firmly.

Thats the first hint of validity, to me..

Now for the past month we have been kinda seperated but still seeing each other, and I have been 100% honest with all my affairs (actions for the dim) to her. She has been sketchy as to her where abouts, but was 100% convincing she wanted to work it out, and has maintained commited.. Now keep in mind this is a 7.5 yr relationship with many trials and tribulations of life that goes with a commited long term relationship.

So some points I see are this. If the sender wrote it the next day, it would of had to be thursday, to get here on saturday. Either way it was sent thursday.. This means they would have had to see her wednesday night, if it was the next day. I feel a truely concerned individual would send one out the next day. That night I was at the shop with my best friend, and got a call about 8 from her saying she had to rescheduel our plans for the evening (nothing in stone just to meet up and hang out / do something), as she had to help her mother out. I didnt think nothing of it as it happens, and I was invitied by my friend and his girl to come over for diner.

That night, and for the most part before that (except for a few weeks prior) we where on good terms, working things out and all was well. Oh the previous night I had made plans to go to a movie with a female friend, prior to her calling and trying to make plans, so we had a little argument over it... This friend I had fooled around with briefly, but had stopped after getting on good terms with my girl again. So it could have been tuesday night, as a **** you type deal, thus giving the sender a day to get my info, which is logical.

Im getting off track but basically no one has my address, or knows my last name, which is why its not on the letter. Only person I can think of that has my last name and my written adress is my best friend, as it is in the computer in nissan, under bubba (lastname) with my correct address, and he was on vacation all last week thus not able to give out out to other friends of ours who visits those types of places. Plus if he did the address would be correct, and my last name on the letter so scratch those, and 80% of my friends who would get such info from him. Nor is my address listed in any books or online searches...

Now its not hard to see me driving around as I always am thus someone could spot my car at home. They would have made the effort to drive by and get the correct address, then go home write the letter and send it via mail. This vs dropping it in the mailbox or put it on my car, at night, takes some initiative.

Also because there isnt a misspelled word leads me to believe her friend didnt send it, out of spite or hate for me or whatever (possibly warning if she had any kindness in her), as she isnt all that bright... But who knows, as it did mention that club...

So um yeah there you have it, and with the evidence at hand I feel its real. Later I may call up the place and get a roster for tonight, hell take a drive about peak time to spot the car, or something. I may also see who was working wednesday night (got the supposed call name), saying I was too drunk to remember, and I would like to see a specific one again...

The reason i dont ask her, is I trained her well in manipulation, as she is controlling as ****, and to ease tension at times (for alot of petty ****, not even bad over the years) I had to cover things up. Shes not as good as I am but is also a recovering alchoholic like myself, and if anyone knows anything about that, well then you know. Also on saturday (too late for a fake letter of course) we had another blowout fight, that started with her *****ing at me, then becomming clingy / needy as all hell when I tried to get out of the situation. As I was getting inraged and Im working on my anger. But since she got in my way of fleeing for 30 minutes, I ****ed up my hand pretty bad as I punched a giant pine at full force to ease the rage, and calm down.

I am nearly done with her but all the time spent, my obsessive nature, and my thinking she was 100%, along with her actions, made me want to stay. If this turns out to be true (letter) Ill toss her to the side for good, but I need to not let on I know untill I can find out for sure, or I wont be able to find out. She will cover it up if I let on.

So yeah thanks for reading, my vent looking for some insight, yet also ment to clear my head by getting it all out... Till the next episode of my dementia...

ps. if it was you... and I find out its legit thanks hehe


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If you have doubt, then the relationship isnt what it should be anyway. Why would you want to be involved in something/with someone, that would even make you feel that way...and if there is something inside you that causes you to have doubt or jelousy or whatever you are trying to get accross, there is a reason and something about her that makes you feel that way...and having a notion to 'get out' is your mind/hearts way of letting you know you should...if you try to over power your mind w/ questions and suggestions, you'll spend the next 5 years of your life going in circles...and i know that two recovering alcoholics trying to get a relationship back, and stay sober isnt the suggested route most of the time...and someone trying to stay alcohol free, should have someone in their life that would stay away from places of that nature, and situations like that....the question still may be "but i dont KNOW for sure she was there", but you do ask the question, so you 'know' it wouldnt be beyond her to do something of the sort...

just my 2 cents, but i dont see how being with 'her' could end up a positive situation in the long run by any means.

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i agree with I H8 UR DSM. what a well thought out reply. and my god it musta takin me a good half hour to read that thing! (im a slow reader)

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lol, i took like 4 minutes...

but i have to disagre w/ i h8 ur dsm...me and my girl have an amazing relationship now, and i'm only gonna be 17 in in august. we started out as friends...then i realized i was like in love with her, but she liked my friend, and then used me to spite him, then 3 soap operas later, concluding w/ my revenge...then us both hating eachother briefly...she's talkin about talkin about wut it would be like to live together after college...lol, and the crazy thing is, i'd be down for that 100%...i'm in love :D

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oh but right, i'm a little confused on the letter, it sounds way too crazy for me...i say make sure you're not reading too far into it...make sure it's not like a prank or anything first...then think very logically and slowly about it

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Jesse is right on.

Relationships end badly, no doubt. Maybe she's doin her own thing, maybe making excuses for it. Either way, you can't let yourself worry about her. The simple fact is that she isn't you, and no person leaving a relationship(no matter the details)actually cares as much as they might say they do. If there was the same genuine, sincere feelings, you two would be sticking with it, fighting for what you two felt was right. There is clearly a difference of interest between you and her.

Problem number one is you two are seperated. This gives her freedom to do what she likes, no matter what. It's her problem if she can't be forthright about her activities. If she's calling, making false stories, then it is officially time to close the book on this one. I'm telling you this after I had a bad break-up(with similar experiences) with my fiance, so I've had to deal with these issues firsthand.

You said she has been sketchy as to her whereabouts. Sketchy about her whereabouts. Sketchy about her whereabouts!!! I was in the same situation, and it just won't end well....especially if you push this issue. All i can suggest is that you quietly let this one go, and move on with your own interests, as the relationship is no longer her priority. If you are putting in effort, and she isn't, man that sucks....and I know because I've been there.....but I think you need to let her go and do her own thing.

From your post, it seems like you're way more interested in the relationship than she.

As far as this letter goes, I wouldn't dwell on it too long, as the result just will not end well.

It might be time to say "what letter?" and forget about it.

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I've gotta go with Jesse's advice here.

Consider this - Sometimes things happen (that we can't explain) JUST to press us into action on a situation. This may well be one of those things.

Any relationship that gets you upset enough to slug an innocent tree is likely to get worse before it improves. You're too good a guy to be ruled by a relationship - And an a former addictions counselor, I know you may not think you deserve any better. And you'd be wrong.

Best of luck with this...

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hmmm, veeeerrrrryyyy interesting

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I mean im glad you guys like my point...but the thing that im most concerned with is the alcoholism part,,,,i know a lot of poeple who have gone through it...and gotten through it...but usually as im sure you know its better to surround youself with people outside that loop, and being around someone who still drinks, smokes, etc is only going to make things harder and more complex....thats my biggest concern, and i wouldnt want to see you falling back..

we know its a life long battle, and recovering from alcoholism is something you must deal with on a daily basis, being involved with someone who drinks, is going to make that a lot harder than it should be.

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mainevent212 wrote:lol, i took like 4 minutes...

but i have to disagre w/ i h8 ur dsm...me and my girl have an amazing relationship now, and i'm only gonna be 17 in in august. we started out as friends...then i realized i was like in love with her, but she liked my friend, and then used me to spite him, then 3 soap operas later, concluding w/ my revenge...then us both hating eachother briefly...she's talkin about talkin about wut it would be like to live together after college...lol, and the crazy thing is, i'd be down for that 100%...i'm in love :D
N0 offense...but your 17....MOST people who are in love at 17, or in a relationship at 17, will NOT be with that person for the rest of their lives...yes some do, but the MAJORITy dont...i wish you the best of life...but sometimes youhave to 'step outside the box', and look at things from another perspective.....you're probrobly each others first (or close to it), and at some point, one or the other, will realize there are a lot of experiences in life you are missing out on, and want to experience...its tuff, but remember "if you let love go, and it comes back, its yours....if it doesnt, it never was"....not an exact quote, lol

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Damn, Jesse - You're getting all profound and mature and stuff.

Wassup with THAT? :D

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Yeah, I"m impressed.

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lol...um...well relationships, and the like are a serious topic to most people, and i wouldnt make light of it.....actually maybe i would, but 96s14 is a good member, and a good guy, so id only want to help him..i wouldnt want to see him getting into a hole, and try to help however i can

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Happiness is about good people, good beer, good food, nice cars.

This young lady does not appear to be contributing to any of the above. Do yourself a favor and move on. Quickly. Force yourself if you have to.

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Thank you for all the good replies (besides keyy, bastard I knew you would whore this). Hopefully I can adress you back decent enough...

As for my recovery I am very strong in my sobriety and there is no other option for me. No one, no situation, no event can bring myself down other then myself. Since this has started in the last month, Ive reupped my love for the program, have a whole new faith in it, and attend 6+ meetings a week now plus a handfull of 12th steppings till the wee hours in the morn and do other service work when I can. Previously I was lucky to get one in a week, for no good reason. Also not gloating, but humbly stating that I have 7.5 yrs of continuous sobriety, that I am gratefull for, and my sobriety date is 11-7-95.

As for her sobriety I brought her into the program shortly after I met her and she hopefully has 7yrs continuous still. But as you know that is not the place to work for a recovering drunk, even part time, if she is in fact doing so. Plus she has a primary job so that would be a recreational / supplimentary income type of deal, which I dont see her needing to do for any reason other then she wants to for some reason.

Thank you for your thoughts and concern on this matter though, as it does make me gratefull to see such people in the NICO community :)

As for the letter I feel its real, possibly a case of mistaken identity (but that may just be the commity telling me that :) ). There are just to many little things like an exact place I know of where her friend would work (I doubt she thinks I would rem that specific place, which is funny as its the only one out of many I have heard of that I do), the fact they had to find my address which took some time or at least a swing by the old casa, and the fact it was sent out via registered mail vs just plopped into my box or under my wiper.

The things that throw my off are her telling me she wants to get together, and the burning need she showed for me when I tried to evade the situation before things got out of hand on saturday... But that could just be her realization of the fact that with all the petty meaningless bull**** she complained about (which isnt bad when asking people in relationships and other females), I was still a stable honest partner.

I originally put the space between us upon having an epiphany (hacked that im sure) as to how controlling and manipulative she was becomming. I basically became de-individualized, and since have found a new mostly better me. I was making the attempt to slowly get back together and ease into things to feel it out so to say. Every time there was a bump on my behalf it became another argument, where as Im a cool relatively mellow guy, having no resentments of her going out with other guys in the previous weeks (she said nothing was up though and I trust her weither or not I should). One odd coincidence is about 2 weeks ago she was going to stay at daytona with a dude and called about 3:45 am saying she was in town and wanted to come over... The club closes at 3 and is a 30 minute drive no that I think of it...

I was kind of doing the same thing (with a different attitude and approach but still the same relationship in the raw sence) expecting different resuls. The definitive meaning of insanity which I know well about and how to avoid. She sounds sincere, thus waving a BS flag to the letter at the same time as contemplating wether or not her friend could have talked her into it. I mean we where separated in a since but I would still like to have some sort of notice if this did take place, as I told her everything to the 'T' even if it hurt comming out, not fearing the repricussions but accepting and was willing to take responcibility.

I do not get jelous of her, and her male friends as if something where to happen its because she is a tramp, or im not doing my part in the relationship, thus she is not happy, or she needs something I dont have to offer.

I guess I am done but scared to put it simply as I have been with her since I was 16, and since I was 3 months in recovery. Its basically the only woman Ive ever known and 1/3 of my life. My recovery wasnt melded into that so much and so I was able to take it and make it stronger then ever.

I would like to help the girl, and I will always care about her, but now it comes down to if she is worth me caring for her. I feel I may have to dig into this just to find out if it did in fact happen. I dont want to put effort into caring for someone if they would do this to me, and would rather just cut it clean.

I am aware of the flow of life and have accepted the down days as much as the up's, so its easy coping with the downs now. Given enough time, this too shall pass.

Bah im rambling again, but thank you all it does help :)

I gotta finish filling out an app for a job I may get working on small engines and the likes :) Not exactly my line of work (A.S in multimedia / graphic design) but Ill get some flow, while enjoying it alot (if the conditions are right), and be able to fully stock a set of tools, buy my 2nd love some new hardware, and go take another course at my college in my field to keep me on track while im off track :)

p.s. the tree just laughed at me but hes bleeding too damnit...

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Not to whore but its another point, and I didnt feel like making that post longer!!! sorry about that....

Thank you for your kind words towards me... It really does make me feel good to know that people think decently of me even if they have never met me personally.

I know occasionally I come off as an ***, but I try to help when I can :)

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Jesda wrote:Happiness is about good people, good beer, good food, nice cars.

This young lady does not appear to be contributing to any of the above. Do yourself a favor and move on. Quickly. Force yourself if you have to.


Werd...(well, maybe minus the beer part). Good luck...

On a totally unrelated note, the thought of 7.5 years of continuous sobriety makes me shudder. That's a big accomplishment. I doubt I could last 7.5 days!

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Just don't dig deeper in the hopes of finding good news. People often confuse this type of situation with a good one. Remember the deeper you dig, the harder it will be to climb out.

You seem like you're doing well in your own life. I wish you the best of luck, but it still pains me to see a guy "hung up" on an issue like this, when I see no possible good outcome between the two of you. Relationships do come and go, but your sobriety shows that you are strong enough as an individual to deal with life.

My dad told me at a young age: "trust no woman"

Just tread lightly, you may not like what you find. Again, good luck with this ordeal.

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96_S14_SE wrote:p.s. the tree just laughed at me but hes bleeding too damnit...
Sorry i'm not whoring but that was too funny.. and umm ya i've had problems too like that and from what everyone has told me things get worse bfore the get better... I'm not sure if I can give you any better advice then what they gave ya.. but i would go with what you feel:confused:

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Hey, this is what we're here for - Cars, cars, cars, and friendships.

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love yourself...love of any other is secondary...we have a subconscious need to be loved by another, but that desire can be filled with other capacities.....I've found that i can be much happier by myself, and when i find someone that can compliment that, instead of taking away from that, that will be the person i can have a serious relationship with...right now, if a girl wants something from me, tahts the first mistake..i have to take care of myself first and my needs, if something comes in the way of that, then its not the right thing.....any girl that wants to be a part of my life...will have to understand that....that she is a part....There are many cogs if you want to look at it that way..and a partner is just another one of those, to make her cog bigger, would be putting something important to me, and my life secondary, and i KNOW that isnt the right thing.

A relationship is two sided, and the minute one side is putting in more than the other, the relationship is dead, or on uneven ground, and has to get back to basics.....you can try to hang on to something, but if your hanging, most likely your fingers will give at some point, and you will realize all that energy you expended 'holding on' could and should have been spent bettering yourself, and not concentrating so much on another individual...

I think you know that your life is the most important, and once you accept that you have to take things as they come to you, not so much go out or after things, it will start coming together.

I can tell you how to handle the situation you are in, and it may seem like i dance around that subject, but we cant give you specific instruction on what to do, just try to supply some sort of outline to make you happy, and let you apply and manipulate it to your specific situation.

you want to be happy, think of what makes you happy...think of what makes you sad....if something overlaps, and does both, its probrobly something embeded in you making you hold on...and eventually that will fade...but letting go of love is one of the hardest things in life..

IMO its harder and takes more to hate, then to love...love is natural, and something you cant affect...hate is a emotion brought on by the mind, and takes a lot of effort and feeling to hate....

you can love and let it go, and see what happens, its hard not to dwell when its somethign so close to your heart, so just do what feels right, but if you have doubt in your body or mind, then there is a reason for that.

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Man are you cutting & pasting this??

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naw jesse, i feel u on that one man, and by no means do i plan on trying to stay with her till the end...although at the moment i feel like i could, i know it'll end when college comes about, but i have a feeling that if we met again down the road, it'd be the last time we ever had to say goodbye...she's a great girl, and if i married someone down the road that is half that great, i'd be a lucky man

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Wow, I can't even read it all it blows my mind so much. I agree though, most relationships that start that young (hell, I'm younger, so what do I know?) don't last, but it does happen. I think, in the end, you should at least give it the chance to work out to have a civil relationship, it would suck to go through your whole life hating someone yet missing the relationship you once had with them. However, it is true that you can't spend your life dwelling on her either, when its time to let go, let go, trust your heart. Feel, then act. Good luck.

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haha worst thing is, my uncle was in a relationship like that...he and his wife have been together since 9th grade...they have the SAME BIRTHDAY...they are eachother's first's and lasts...they are in love and are the best couple i have ever seen before...i envy them so much...they are truely the richest people i know

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I'm pretty young (19 coming up on 20) and my girlfriend is two year's younger than me...but we've been together for almost 2 years now :D and I must say...I have no doubt that our relationship will work out. I think it's possible to have a good, long lasting relationship early in life...but you have to both want it very badly and be willing to work at the relationship and accept each other for who you are. If you enter a relationship trying to change someone or change yourself then it'll never work out. You have to love them for who they are and not expect them to change for you in any way. That's a key that is missed out on by a lot of people these days. A good relationship is a wonderful thing, my girlfriend is not only the thing I love most in life (yes, more than the car ;)) but also my bestfriend...I dated 8 or 9 girls before settling on her and she dated several (3 or 4...I try to go forget ;)) guys before settling on me. It's a good idea to figure out exactly what you want in a girl through trying out a few of them! I know this has nothing to do with the problem at hand, I just felt like spouting advice about relationships :) My advice to you...go do some research at the strip club :D If she isnt there...WONDERFUL, and if she is...enjoy the show and give her a dollar bill with "bye" on it.

Edit: Oh, and if you cant tell allready, I have every intention of marrying this girl in the future :D But I'm going to wait until she's well into college and I'm at least almost done with it.

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nathan, thas exactly wut i'm like...i woudlnt say 4 or 5...i'd give 2 actually lol

now me? i've only had the pleasure of 4 different girl's company in my life...cant say i was ever a ladies man till recently :-p...then i was still not a ladies man...haha

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Hey im still here..

Funny you should say that as I was with her since my second time around in 10th, she is my first and only in the intimate department, we both have the birthdate of sept 11th allthough hers is in 78 and mine in 79.

I went to a cpl of meetings tonight and called an old friend, who I wasnt allowed to talk to out of sheer jelousy on my gf - ex/gf whatevers behalf. Shes a really cool person and just hearing that shes doing well cheered me up a bit. We might hang out sometime and catch up on old times, which would be cool.

So I went to a 8:00 - 9:00 then drove 25 miles to my other groups 10:00 - 11:00 where I had the second longest sobriety bested by only 8 months, and had to put my bitter wisdom forth. Kinda cool hammering on them as it deviated from a closed meeting, from the topic, and pissed me off. No one said they liked what I had to say so it was effective, as most where newcommers and tend not to like the truth.

I drove out to the club after that, 55 miles from the meeting, and didnt see the car, but believe there is a back parking I didnt check out. I drove by quite a few times as its a heavilly patrolled area and I knew I couldnt get myself into trouble. I didnt stop as I didnt feel so great after the **** drug and sex addict (hmmm thought it was a closed discussion AA meeting... guess not)meeting. I am going to give it a cpl of days to settle in my head and with my feelings before I drive out there again, and if I do I may bring a friend as Ive never been to a club before, and will keep me from flying off the handle, if something where to arise (pun intended if you wish), and she was there. Honestly I felt kind of ashamed to even drive in the lot, which I didnt, as I have never been, and its not someplace I ever longed to go to... Bah ok fine I have some self confidence issues to deal with.

Oh well I feel rather down again as usuall, but Im going to bed to awaken to a new fresh day WooWoo "in bubrub fashion". Ill read the whole thing over again tommorow with a new perspective and hopefully itll help. I wish **** didnt hurt so bad, or I could let go a bit easier then pulling a barbed arrow out of my chest, but I cannot. One day Ill stop torturing myself, Im sure.

thanks again for letting me vent, and your words of guidance. Im really trying to get over it, and take the advice given, but its difficult and a battle inside.

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I got burned twice too many times. So now I run around like a male whore putting it in any warm hole I can.

Maybe someday I'll grow up, but for now I'm 21 and have some time ahead of me.


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