Vacuum lines, Useless Enging bay item ?s

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marshun
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now wait. im confused. http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....g+egr

removing the egr will make it run lean? right now with the aiv out it seems to run pretty rich


xxtrizz
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Well filtering the fumes would help the air you breathe :) But in the end yeah I would reccomend filtering it somehow rather than just having it fume everywhere. I liek the smell of gas as much as the next guy but to be honest I have asthma now and I sucked on to many tilpipes when I was younger. :)

I didnt get to really check the vaccum diagrams I have but is the EGR directly connected to the carbon conister? If not then the EGR isnt much of a problem. If you do indeed buy an Air intake then im going to be sure that you probably will have the EGR piping hookup on the intake itself. If you do have that then in the end it might be better for you jsut to get a brand new EGR instead of removing it. If not it was infact connected to the carbon canister I might myself look for a way to remove it completely. Because I hate that carbon canister.

marshun
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idunno. i think i'll leave the egr and canister alone for a bit.

SHIEF
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Keep your EGR, otherwise you'll throw codes, possibly mess up your O2 sensor, run rich. You'll have to get the ECU re-mapped for a car w/o egr....not worth it. As for the carbon canister, you probably won't pass emissons...that's it. Just plug the vac lines, and the line going into the bottom of the canister, or remove that metal line completely plug it underneath the car (next to your AC box rubber vent tube).

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EGR will cause the check engine light on CA models only.

marshun
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SHIEF wrote:Keep your EGR, otherwise you'll throw codes, possibly mess up your O2 sensor, run rich. You'll have to get the ECU re-mapped for a car w/o egr....not worth it. As for the carbon canister, you probably won't pass emissons...that's it. Just plug the vac lines, and the line going into the bottom of the canister, or remove that metal line completely plug it underneath the car (next to your AC box rubber vent tube).


you say it'll run rich? other people are saying it'll run lean. whats goin on here?

and the canister. is it alright to just take out? theres no emissions here in hawai

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think about it, exhaust cant be burned, it has almost no o2. when ecu sends close signal to egr, then engine will run normal. when it says open, then it will put the ammount of fuel in for the air/exhaust mixture, less fuel than just air because like i said, the exhaust has almost no o2. with the egr removed, there will be just air but the comp. will think there is exhaust in the air, giving less fuel and vola, your runing lean.without the canister, the pressure in the tank will build up. to keep the tank from exploding, the fuel cap will vent some vapors out. and you have no emmisions anyway, so remove it if you want.

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240kid wrote:think about it, exhaust cant be burned, it has almost no o2. when ecu sends close signal to egr, then engine will run normal. when it says open, then it will put the ammount of fuel in for the air/exhaust mixture, less fuel than just air because like i said, the exhaust has almost no o2. with the egr removed, there will be just air but the comp. will think there is exhaust in the air, giving less fuel and vola, your runing lean.without the canister, the pressure in the tank will build up. to keep the tank from exploding, the fuel cap will vent some vapors out. and you have no emmisions anyway, so remove it if you want.


well with the aiv it seems to run pretty rich already. so with the egr also would it be SO rich that it would burn out the o2 sensor? cause i hate taking those things off at the junkyard. or maybe i should wait till i get some kind of ignition system so that it'll burn better.

im just trying to avoid spending too damn much. hehe

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If I remember correctly, EGR is only active under cruise conditions...I couldn't care less about those, I sincerely doubt it'd run lean enough under partial throttle cruise to hurt anything. Also, if your car is boosted, its going to totally screw with the vacuum operated EGR system anyway under boost, so you might as well take it out for simplicity sake :) Perhaps this evening I'll do more research on it and post a more in depth explanation of what I'm saying. My policy is that if its complicated or related to emissions, it should be removed :)

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I dont knwo if EGR valves work relatively the same in all cars but in our pontiac van the EGR caused the van to stall but it only did that after stopping or slowing down after a long drive. So maybe the EGR is only really hardcore active during those long cruise conditions?

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240kid wrote:think about it, exhaust cant be burned, it has almost no o2. when ecu sends close signal to egr, then engine will run normal. when it says open, then it will put the ammount of fuel in for the air/exhaust mixture, less fuel than just air because like i said, the exhaust has almost no o2. with the egr removed, there will be just air but the comp. will think there is exhaust in the air, giving less fuel and vola, your runing lean.without the canister, the pressure in the tank will build up. to keep the tank from exploding, the fuel cap will vent some vapors out. and you have no emmisions anyway, so remove it if you want.
Your tank won't "exlplode". I dunno where you got that (if that's what your saying there).


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