V8 in a 240?

[zerocounter]

Hi Guys,

I'm relatively new to the 240 scene so please bare with me =)

Been driving the 350Z for awhile and wanted to get into drifting with a 240 (lighter, cheaper and PROVEN). I went to Formula D a few weekends ago and noticed that the 350Z's sounded like they use V8's....is there a particular reason why they didn't go with the SR20 turbo setup? I would imagine the V8 probably weigh a tonne and the D1 guys have proven the SR20 can win...

Has anybody dropped a V8 in a 240 (without spending a million bucks)?

Thanks!

JW

[Silvia_Ks_90]

yes, go to the hybrid engine section, or simply type LS swap 240 or S in the search bar, welcome.

btw, V8's arent the only big engine people are swapping in....

[numbnuts240]

seriously? ummmm....fahrvergnügen?

[95Gstman]

I am currently swapping in a vh45 out of an infiniti Q45. My budget was not huge. My car should be finished in a couple of weeks. I bought a halfway running q45 for 500 bucks, fixed it for around 150 then parted out the car and made pretty much all my money back. If you can fab parts, you will save a ton of money. I used the maxworx kit and honestly it is nice but I feel like you do not get your moneys worth. The only part of the kit that I could not have made myself are the adapter plate for the transmission and engine and the driveshaft. Everything else is pretty basic stuff.

[Andy4106]

saying they didnt go with a sr20 prove how little you know about motors and motor swaps.

v8s have been going into 240s for a long time. ls1, is lightweight and very powerful with one of the best hp and tq curves on the market.

[zerocounter]

95GSTman: Do you have the car running already?

I don't know a lot about motors or swaps - Just an average enthusiast.

I just want my car to sound like this beast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMj3NRPWFv4

I believe that's a near-stock Titan engine in there with about 380hp....

[simmode1]

I just want my car to sound like this beast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMj3NRPWFv4

Wanting a certain sound is ok and all, but that takes a backseat to your performance goals for the car. The reason why some pick a V6 or V8 rather than the overhyped SR20 is because the the broader powerband than comes with an engine that has larger displacement.

For example, you might build an SR that makes 400hp. But at what RPM does it make that 400hp? And how much torque is it putting down? Almost assuredly, a V6 or a V8 will make that same 400hp earlier in the powerband and for a longer duration throughout your rev range. This is why ppl say: There's no replacement for dispalcement. You might argue that turbos on a small displacement motor will bridge the performance gap, but if you put a turbo on the larger dispalcment motor, you're right back at square one with the V6 or V8 coming out on top.

Personally, my preferance is to use a lightweight V6. It'll have good weight distribution and ample horsepower/torque for our little toy cars. Motors like the VQ series are perfect for the S-chassis, IMO.

[dre1507]

Wanting a certain sound is ok and all, but that takes a backseat to your performance goals for the car. The reason why some pick a V6 or V8 rather than the overhyped SR20 is because the the broader powerband than comes with an engine that has larger displacement.

For example, you might build an SR that makes 400hp. But at what RPM does it make that 400hp? And how much torque is it putting down? Almost assuredly, a V6 or a V8 will make that same 400hp earlier in the powerband and for a longer duration throughout your rev range. This is why ppl say: There's no replacement for dispalcement. You might argue that turbos on a small displacement motor will bridge the performance gap, but if you put a turbo on the larger dispalcment motor, you're right back at square one with the V6 or V8 coming out on top.

Personally, my preferance is to use a lightweight V6. It'll have good weight distribution and ample horsepower/torque for our little toy cars. Motors like the VQ series are perfect for the S-chassis, IMO.

*chants*
What? What? VQ swap.
What? What? VQ swap.
Not the 35, the 30 D.E.T.
Not the 35, the 30 D.E.T.

[mRodiek]

lol

[SxMachine]

yes, go to the hybrid engine section, or simply type LS swap 240 or S in the search bar, welcome.

btw, V8's arent the only big engine people are swapping in....

To bad the search doesnt work.

[jake!]

is there a particular reason why they didn't go with the SR20 turbo setup?

the D1 guys have proven the SR20 can win...

i have been trying to understand this as well.


+1

[ZX88]

simple answer.

AMERICA

[sleeper180]

i have been trying to understand this as well.


+1

really? even tho i love the sr the ls1 idea isnt to bad wouldnt mind having 350hp out of the box and a light engine. but the sound of the turbo is just to orgasmic

[SxMachine]

Well considering the price of a sr (with unkown mileage) is still twice plus the price of a vh it makes more sense now to buy a dirty cheap vh and modify. The sr is proven for sure but vh's are much more plentiful. Either way it goes your gonna have to rebuild. Still not a fan of ls1 swaps tho

[urcaptnspeaking]

SR20 may be an ideal upgrade for an s chassis car,but they aren't for EVERY car... there are far more practical engines depending on their uses. Obviously the Nissan V8 was their choice (and Im sure for good reason) and if I recall (not sure if it was his car or another v8 swapped Z) but it was close to 500 horse.

SR's can break and be "junk" just like ANY other engine on this planet. If an engine,any engine, is built right and taken care of it can be favorable to you. further, the same engine could be nothing but a headache to the next guy.

You do realize a stock SR is in the mid to lower 200 horse power range....right?

you could spend close to 4k (including engine set) to put an SR are a reliable 350 horse power range , or swap in an LS1 a few bolt ons for the same price and have a naturally aspirated 350 horse power with larger displacement and more torque.

/story

[SxMachine]

SR20 may be an ideal upgrade for an s chassis car,but they aren't for EVERY car... there are far more practical engines depending on their uses.

It doesnt get anymore pratical than a motor thats was meant for the s chasis. Sorry but the ls1 was not, and that swap is far from pratical. Neither is any motor that didnt come stock in the chasis, but the sr and ca are as close to stock as you get. I still dont see why a** tons of hp are neccesary for a drift car.

[Tsukiko]

Technique>power

[SxMachine]

Exactamundo, ol skool 100hp hatchi style

[kouki munster]

SR20 may be an ideal upgrade for an s chassis car,but they aren't for EVERY car... there are far more practical engines depending on their uses. Obviously the Nissan V8 was their choice (and Im sure for good reason) and if I recall (not sure if it was his car or another v8 swapped Z) but it was close to 500 horse.

SR's can break and be "junk" just like ANY other engine on this planet. If an engine,any engine, is built right and taken care of it can be favorable to you. further, the same engine could be nothing but a headache to the next guy.

You do realize a stock SR is in the mid to lower 200 horse power range....right?

you could spend close to 4k (including engine set) to put an SR are a reliable 350 horse power range , or swap in an LS1 a few bolt ons for the same price and have a naturally aspirated 350 horse power with larger displacement and more torque.

/story

On paper it seems like a good plan but finding a ls-whatever motor set(engine, transmission, wiring, and ecu) for less than $3000 is getting more and more difficult as the popularity of the lsX motors has gone through the roof, and most swap kits are in the $1200+ range, and most don't come with headers so tack another $500-$800 to the cost of the mount kit.

Or you could do everything yourself and save a crap ton of monies, but that is a pretty large undertaking that most people don't have the skills or tools to tackle. The majority of people have to borrow tools and work space just to do a sr swap.

[urcaptnspeaking]

True I mean its very dependent on the kind of deals you can talk your way in to. I got an Ls1 short block for $100 bucks (Gm warranty throw away) there was nothing wrong with it other than it ticked on start up (which is all Ls's do). I got the heads for $150. But more than likely most people won't get that kind of lucky.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Been busy at work, but I am locking due to search failure. Check the hybrid section out please.