V-mount setup for GRIP RACING

[sr20goofus]

This is my new track setup, noyt complete tho, bumper needs modified and mounting, while ducting also needs to be finished.





















ENJOY!!!!!

Ducting in general will force the air up and out through the intercooler, thats the whole point of ducting to put the air where you want it. i mean naturally air doesnt flow to brakes or coolers, unles syou duct them to have a good solid flow of air.

Air will enter the mouth of the bumper flow up through the ducting to the Intercooler while being pushed through the raditor, both will get good flow and cooling, garunteed.



the vent deisgn ill be using will guide air up and past the exiting air while also pulling air from the intercooler, which in turn will pull air up throuhg the intercooler while forcing it from the other side for a good positive flow of air while moving forward, this whole deisgn relys on forward movement.

[Joe]

setup looks great!

quick question tho: if this for grip why do it? the whole point of doing it for drifting is to protect the intercooler in the event of contact with a wall.

[Flicktitty]

Cool looks neato!!!!

[sr20goofus]

setup looks great!

quick question tho: if this for grip why do it? the whole point of doing it for drifting is to protect the intercooler in the event of contact with a wall.

This setup is not made "for drifting" they are just the first and most exposed to use it, and it isnt just to protect the radiator. The diagram above shows airflow through the setup when properly ducted. This is purly for cooling reasons, the radiator will now get frsh cold air rather then IC heated air, and the IC still get cold air and a good vent to improve airflow.

Drifters use this setup for cooling as well, but while sliding sideways there is no forward air moving across the setup, making is less effective. In grip racing there is nothign but forward movement and high spdeed air comming into the bumpre, so why not take advantage of it and use it to cool everything equally.

If drifters wanted to protect their intercoolers they should not drift into walls and such.

[ale89se]

setup looks great!

quick question tho: if this for grip why do it? the whole point of doing it for drifting is to protect the intercooler in the event of contact with a wall.

not only does it give it more fresh air equally to the intercooler and radiator, but it also has much shorter piping from turbo to intercooler to motor so some boost lag is also taken out as well as less psi loss from covering a wider distance! this all equals cooler air faster boost and more power !

[Dano]

That looks very clean and better put together than a lot of v-mount setups I have seen... do u have the vent in the hood to keep said air moving? I couldn't tell form the pictures...

...looks great, let us see the finished product and keep us posted on how well it works!

-Dan

[sr20goofus]

That looks very clean and better put together than a lot of v-mount setups I have seen... do u have the vent in the hood to keep said air moving? I couldn't tell form the pictures...

...looks great, let us see the finished product and keep us posted on how well it works!

-Dan

hood will be vented in a few weeks, dont have the time to do it whiel im at school, only weekends to do the ducting and venting. Pics will be posted of finished prodcut

[onosqv]

make sure you document and do a write up .

[sr20goofus]

i guess if i find the time i could do a DIY write up.....but i dont think anyone working out of their garage could do it quite like i did it.....But i guess it couldnt hurt to let the kids on the forums these das knwo how to do somethign out of your own garage that only a "professional shop" could do normally. All it takes is some mechanical background, a lil engineering and some creative thinking without letting the "you should" guys keep ya from doin it your way.

[Joe]

If drifters wanted to protect their intercoolers they should not drift into walls and such.

i love grip drivers who think they are just on a higher plane than people who drift. just a little tidbit; i run HPDE just as much as i drift, so dont think im some JDM tiite dori dori kid telling you what i think. ive been doing hpde alot longer than ive owned a RWD car.

im not saying this is a pointless setup im just saying its alot of work for minimal benifit. your pretty much halving your airflow to each the IC and the radiator, sure the air that gets to the radiator is cooler, but your intake temps are going to rise because you are getting less airflow to the intercooler. I am not an engineer but i think you need some fins on the radiator to move air so it contacts the radiator as a flat surface. much like some karters use. if the radiator is angled your gonna loose some airflow because it isnt designed for an angle. all your fins and plates arent getting straight contact with the air.

[crzycav86]

I don't really see why you need the v-mount for grip racing. If you're overheating, get a bigger or more efficient radiator.

I like the uniqueness/fabrication aspect though. Good job on it.

[sr20goofus]

i love grip drivers who think they are just on a higher plane than people who drift. just a little tidbit; i run HPDE just as much as i drift, so dont think im some JDM tiite dori dori kid telling you what i think. ive been doing hpde alot longer than ive owned a RWD car.

dont think im on a higher plane, i have just never beena fan of drifting, the guys i know who drift are always complaining about body work, they are not rookies but FD and and D1 guys......

im not saying this is a pointless setup im just saying its alot of work for minimal benifit. your pretty much halving your airflow to each the IC and the radiator, sure the air that gets to the radiator is cooler, but your intake temps are going to rise because you are getting less airflow to the intercooler. I am not an engineer but i think you need some fins on the radiator to move air so it contacts the radiator as a flat surface. much like some karters use. if the radiator is angled your gonna loose some airflow because it isnt designed for an angle. all your fins and plates arent getting straight contact with the air.

everyone is entitled to their opinions, but whats the harm in trying? Im doing this because i feel it will work gret, i dont htink it will give me teh extra edge, more power, or anythgin liek that, but the reliability i want out of my car with the amount i abuse it and with the level of competition i want to make it to eventually.

[nismofly]

looks awesome

what kind of stuff are you planning on running...just track days, time attack, wheel to wheel?

[sr20goofus]

time attack would be a possibility. more interested in wheel to wheel SE-R Cup SRX, SU and ITE if i get ballsy enough. THE SRX is the only class i actually fit into, SU and ITE are just unlimited so usually there are reduclous race cars there.

[nismofly]

i hear you on that standpoint

ill be building a car to run ITA and SR class within about 2 years here, then soon after ill start collecting parts to move up into SRX

[GnarKiller]

was that you out there a VIR this weekend? if so beautiful setup you got there. i was the one of the black s14 out there i was in hpde2 #00. Glad to see more people coming out and doing the road race thing....

Zach

[nismofly]

nope wasnt me there, ill be trying to run a couple events this summer but im not positive, it depends on a bunch of other factors

you plan to start wheel to wheel sometime then or are you going to stick with track days and maybe TT?

[GnarKiller]

i do plan on doing more track days for now, planning a cage to build right now then after a while will be looking into getting my comp liscence.

[sr20goofus]

i was there at VIR in HPDE2 this past weekend, i had HUGE tuning issues, somethign went bad on me durign the first day and progressivly got worse teh second day, so i was not a happy camper at all, wasnt on track very much, mostly trying to fix it.

I have been doing HPDE's for awhiel now this was supposed to be my 6th event. I saw an S14 or 2 there, i didnt think any were in HPDE 2 cause i saw one comming off track with group 1, the roster from teh website said it was only one other S13 in my group that i never even saw.

here is me doing a lil engine break in on the way to VIR on friday...

[nismofly]

that looks awesome

what do you guys run for tires?

i want something thatll last a number of events, will still handle track conditions well, and still be relatively inexpensive

i was thinking falken rt615, and a bunch of people i talked to said theyd be fine

[sr20goofus]

that looks awesome

what do you guys run for tires?

i want something thatll last a number of events, will still handle track conditions well, and still be relatively inexpensive

i was thinking falken rt615, and a bunch of people i talked to said theyd be fine

for tires i have been runnign Falken Azenis 215 this past year, btu this past event they never heated up, so im fearign thay have been heat cycled too many times. I got my hands on a set of used Hoosier S04's with alot of life left in them, they are mounted on RX-7 FD wheels.

The 615's are supposed to be awesome, not too many tires size options tho, im hoping that change sso i can have another tire for cold track days since the hoosiers take forever to heat up.

[nismofly]

ive got a set of stock alloys im going to mount them on

i can get them in 205/50/15 for like $340 a set, the outside diameter on these is like an inch and a half smaller than stock but im not worried about speedo and stuff at the track

[GnarKiller]

Road Atlanta march 18-19 i will do my best to be there..

[whiterps13]

I have no idea why poeple want to hate on your setup. To me, the fabrication is really good and Ive always liked v-mounts. I think you could have done the bumper and grill a little better, but I hope you keep that mesh off.

[sr20goofus]

I have no idea why poeple want to hate on your setup. To me, the fabrication is really good and Ive always liked v-mounts. I think you could have done the bumper and grill a little better, but I hope you keep that mesh off.

i cut the bumper opening wider so it had a bigger opening for air while i was still able to fit the metal bumper behind it for a little bit of safety. And th mesh is there to keep debris from getting stuck in teh bottom of the IC or wedged into the fins of the radiator. Its all for a purpose (function over form).....not just aestetics, thanks for the props of the fabrication, it turned out exactly how i had imagined it would from day one.

[Bumnah]

that is an awesome setup.

have you noticed the car running cooler while you're on the track, or did you start tracking the car with this setup?

i'm wondering if this setup would help with downforce as well.

mr2 guys setup their front end like this as well. the air coming up fromt he bumper and out through the hood helps pull the front end down.

same senario?

i might have to copy that idea

[ks2_tuning]

first let me say really nice looking work you should be proud! before i say anything more I'll tell you I have worked on numerous open-wheeled formula cars including chief engineer for a couple and my specialty is aerodynamics and thermodynamics to a lesser extent.. now, as mentioned before you need a couple of vanes on the face of the radiator running side to side, divide the face of the radiator in to three horizontal sections and place a 3/4 tall vane that is 90 degrees to the face and runs all across from left to right place this on the imaginary line between the lower section and the middle section, now go up the the next imaginary line between the middle section and the upper section and place a 1 inch vane like before 90 degrees to the face, side to side. this will leave no doubt that your moving air through the rad... two electric fans can be used on the back side of the rad if you have any problems

[sr20goofus]

have you noticed the car running cooler while you're on the track, or did you start tracking the car with this setup?

i'm wondering if this setup would help with downforce as well.

mr2 guys setup their front end like this as well. the air coming up fromt he bumper and out through the hood helps pull the front end down.

same senario?

i might have to copy that idea

overall i dont think this setup will help downforce, not my setup atleast, not smooth enough, and half the air is lost through the radiator. As for cooler on track, yes it is cooler on track, onec im off track, itll climb up in temp really quick due to overall engien heat and no more moving air. without my fan on i was doing about 170* on track, fan on I was doing about 160*. Compared to the old setup, id say those numbers are pretty good considering the new radiator is actually smaller then the KOYO i used to run. Copy away if you wan,t its now a proven setup for the roadcourse.

first let me say really nice looking work you should be proud! before i say anything more I'll tell you I have worked on numerous open-wheeled formula cars including chief engineer for a couple and my specialty is aerodynamics and thermodynamics to a lesser extent.. now, as mentioned before you need a couple of vanes on the face of the radiator running side to side, divide the face of the radiator in to three horizontal sections and place a 3/4 tall vane that is 90 degrees to the face and runs all across from left to right place this on the imaginary line between the lower section and the middle section, now go up the the next imaginary line between the middle section and the upper section and place a 1 inch vane like before 90 degrees to the face, side to side. this will leave no doubt that your moving air through the rad... two electric fans can be used on the back side of the rad if you have any problems

i realize your comming from experience, and of course there is always a better way to set this up, i am working with a very small space between the IC and Rad, so placing vanes in there would be a HUGE hassle, and so far, its a great working desing, on track my highest temps were 170* no fans.....

[ks2_tuning]

cool (no pun intended) like i said you did a great job, now get back to work...lol

[JLonevia]

thats some awesome modification