USB consult too long - lets talk software

[jamesmost]

what is the dope software

[Ozzie]

Personal experience.... Nissan Data Scan.but I have also heard good things about Scan Tech.

....and a little inside info..... I know of some new software being developed right now that will blow both of those programs out of the water Being programmed by the makers of the consult cable near me (the original builders of the cables) in C++ !!!

[lino]

Did you ask them about the Active suspension part of software?!

[Ozzie]

You can bet that I have.....I will be handing over my Q at a later date to them, to see if they can do anything with the active

[jamesmost]

i ran the free data scan, worked well. the full program allows all monitoring ?? do i need anything else along side it ??

[Ozzie]

Probably not.If it does everything that you need it to, then there is no reason to look for other programs, unless the ease of use or functionality doesn't meet your requirements.

[Q451990]

The programmer of Nissan Scan Tech is working on a full power balance test... so expect a new release there. I'm helping him beta test it... We're still trying to get some valid results, but it's in the works...

Heath

[qsiguy]

What's the best for logging. Say I want to make a run and record data for the trip in a graph? Just the data would be ok as well and I could just import it into a spreadsheet and make my own graphs.

[qsiguy]

The link I have for Nissan Data Scan isn't working, anyone have a link to download the free one or buy the full version? I got my consult cable and need to work on my car ASAP. I have some knock sensor issues and need to get my car through emissions by the end of the month. It failed today

[NewKleer]

....and a little inside info..... I know of some new software being developed right now that will blow both of those programs out of the water

you mean the nistune stuff right? all the tuning aspects of it will only work with a realtime ecu, ie not anything that anyone really has. unless theyre planning to sell software just for monitoring purposes

using c++ means nothing, except theyre old and havent moved on to more productive languages! (ask them if the software will run on a pocket pc, i think not :P)

[db_autotek]

I emailed the NIStune guys.. I hope for some responses to my questions.

Really I just want to be able to lift my speed limiter and raise the rev limiter a bit. Which software can do that?

[NewKleer]

nistune is the software that manages their realtime ecu. $400 for the required daughterboard and software.

a stock ecu is not tunable. so no software, without having a modified ecu, can change the speed/rev limit. if you look on the nistune webpage, you can see the board that they place in the ecu.

if you only want to change speed limit/rev limit, there's much cheaper ways (standard daughterboard) to do it than a realtime tunable ecu setup

[qsiguy]

...Really I just want to be able to lift my speed limiter and raise the rev limiter a bit. Which software can do that?

You have to remove the chip from your ECU and install an EPROM so you can put your own programs on it. The NICO ECU's Robert does do this for you. I can do it on the older 90-93 ECU's but I haven't messed with the '94-95 ones yet. You have to make a daughter board for it and it's much more involved than the older ones. I have a '93 ECU in my '94 car. Works fine you just have to match the options like TCS or active suspension.

[db_autotek]

Yeah that all makes sense now. Sounds like I need to save up some cash.. If I gotta get the ecu physically modified then I might as well go all the way. Thanks for the great info!

[darkhalf]

Quote »you mean the nistune stuff right? all the tuning aspects of it will only work with a realtime ecu, ie not anything that anyone really has.[/quote]wrong

Quote »unless theyre planning to sell software just for monitoring purposes[/quote]yes that will happen

Quote »c++ means nothing, except theyre old and havent moved on to more productive languages! (ask them if the software will run on a pocket pc, i think not :P)[/quote]wrong.... using visual c++ as a compiled rather than microcode language.... means it will run old older pcs, run faster and with less bloat than an equivalent .NET or similar product. find out the minimum specs for running bikirom and how many people have problems with logging with it with older PCs because the updates are laggy.

Pocket PC (Windows CE) requires different function calls specific to that device also. Yes it could be rewritten with a gui update to run under this, but not designed that way....

well this is what i hate.... you spend literally hundreds of hours developing something and then it gets bagged by someone who doesnt know exactly what they are talking about

yes we are developing boards which are compatible with the NIStune software ... compatible with a lot of nissans (not all of them listed yet either)... but it never started this way.

the software is also compatible with Pocket Romulator and Moates emulators too... and we let you save your binaries for EPROM burning etc. currently the emulator support is only 8 bit ... but this week been adding 16 bit support for split mode (working) and ODD/EVEN (almost finished)

the software also does standard consult streaming with imbuilt logging and playback (along with taking in your wideband inputs at the same time)

[NewKleer]

you miss the point...saying that because its C++ it must be good is a stupid assumption - you can write a crap program in any language (and you can write a good one in any language, though cpu/graphics intensive program written well in c++ will be better than one written well in .net)

only argument i have against c++ is that you can write a .net app for both win32/pocket pc (and all wince that support .net) with same codebase/executable - but from the looks of the screenshots, theres simply too much in nistune to be able to pack into a ppc screen (without a lot of mucking around to account for size difference) so thats not really a valid point.

well this is what i hate.... you spend literally hundreds of hours developing something and then it gets bagged by someone who doesnt know exactly what they are talking about

think you're reading too much into a throwaway line (that "programming language a is better than b") that meant very little other than to counter that the programming language inherently dictates the quality of the program. i even put the :p at the end to make it more obvious that i was expecting someone to argue the opposite. the quality of the program, not the language its written in, matters.

from the site, whenever i last checked, it wasnt too clear that you could use the software for non-realtime ecu setups - ie with a standard consult interface/stock ecu - if you can, thatd be awesome because it looks to be coming along nicely.

do wideband inputs work with standard consult/stock ecu setup?

[darkhalf]

that wasn't the assumption. it is how well the same program under different implementaitons may run on various machines. perhaps bikirom code was a bad example.... but it just runs horribly on my older K6-500 machine, even with just normal editing etc

nistune code which may process upto four serial devices at a time (wideband, emulator and consult), in addition to display graphical updates for display and logging simulatenously can be quite CPU intensive.... but still runs on a P233 on Win98. So kinda using that for comarison, my thoughts are using .NET framework I would not be able to do this on a similar spec machine.

under the software section we mention the pocket romulator for 8 bits.... which is now 16 bits after getting the SR20 running tonight. moates is compatible so thats handy

we take several wideband units which support serial connectivity to the PC and integrate the data with consult. there isn't too much on the page at this stage until i sort out the last remaining issues people are finding during field testing so we have a relatively bug free product

[Ozzie]

I'm going to guess that "darkhalf" is the programmer working with Pete (PLMS cables)

Welcome to Nico!

Don't expect me to get too involved with the technical discussion though....

So Matt, is there any chance that a proper power balance test will come out of the new software, and also, could you do something with the active suspension?No-one (as far as I know) has made any aftermarket programs that interface with the active suspension of the Q45....

If you need a car to use as a guinea pig, just tell Pete to give me a call or send me an email.....

Many members here would be interested if you could do something with the active...

[NewKleer]

that wasn't the assumption.

nistune code which may process upto four serial devices at a time (wideband, emulator and consult), in addition to display graphical updates for display and logging simulatenously can be quite CPU intensive.... but still runs on a P233 on Win98. So kinda using that for comarison, my thoughts are using .NET framework I would not be able to do this on a similar spec machine.

assumption wasnt made by you, but whoever i replied to originally. take a look at the ecutalk consult software - its written with .net and ive tried it on the slowest thing i can think of (since the dinosaurs), a 133mhz jornada 548 original pocket pc, and it works fine (albeit only showing a few updates/second). going by benchmarks here, it is 4 times slower than a P233, so theres a good example of a properly programmed .net app. but if your comfortable with c++ and have more experience with that, then there needn't really be any further justification needed.

Quote »we take several wideband units which support serial connectivity to the PC and integrate the data with consult. there isn't too much on the page at this stage until i sort out the last remaining issues people are finding during field testing so we have a relatively bug free product[/quote]that sounds good...have you found any issues with synchronising the data? (ie does either data lag the other slightly and have to be compensated in any way? probably a hard thing to determine).

could you do something with the active suspension?No-one (as far as I know) has made any aftermarket programs that interface with the active suspension of the Q45....

ive heard a few people mentioning this - has anyone confirmed what functions are accessible in Q45 from consult? (or are u just assuming that something is)

Peter

[Ozzie]

I can tell you, for a fact, that the active suspension can be checked/played around with, on a proper Nissan CONSULT handset.Also has a fair bit written in the FSM about checking the active suspension using the CONSULT.That's why I keep asking about it.....

I wish I could just go and buy the real thing......I love how it does the printouts on a built in reciept roll.....

[NewKleer]

do you happen to remember any of the kind of functions it has?

ive got a consult machine, though no Q45. i guess if i had the suspension control unit (how much do they cost?). and relevant wiring info i could find out...in 6 months

is the suspension unit aka the "body control unit"?

[maxnix]

is the suspension unit aka the "body control unit"?

No, it is a separate module under the rear parcel shelf.