UpRev tuned 3.5 CVT Coupe

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funkee
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Hey All!

Long overdue, we have finally tuned my 3.5 CVT with UpRev.

Dynoing the CVT was a serious challenge. But the guys at Z Car Garage mastered it with a little finesse and some ingenuity. It went superbly well! :woot:

Here is a teaser video of one the last of many dyno runs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXQDo3Rx_uA

Stay tuned for the write-up and the dyno graphs!

***** UPDATE *****
Happy Friday everyone! Here is the write-up: http://www.zcarblog.com/.

Check out my post down the page about how we dynoed the damn thing.

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SHIFT_COUPE
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Awesome. How does the car feel with the tune now?

funkee
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It feels like a whole new beast. I suspect even mpg will improve, because stock air/fuel ratios were terrible.

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so what exactly did the shop do? because we all want to know how to dyno our cvt's!!! :gapteeth:

funkee
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I will explain everything very soon! Dyno charts, photos and a write-up of how we dynoed it, is on its way.

Z Car Garage donated time to tune my car, and I would like to make sure that they can get it up on their blog first.

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I'm curious as to how they managed to make it seem like it is in a gear.... The manual mode is variable to some extent even.

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Wow awesome! Looking forward to it

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funkee wrote:I will explain everything very soon! Dyno charts, photos and a write-up of how we dynoed it, is on its way.

Z Car Garage donated time to tune my car, and I would like to make sure that they can get it up on their blog first.
Nor Cal FTW!!!! :bigthumb:

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Can I guess?

Quick drop to neutral at certain intervals?

funkee
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Honestly, I may not be able to repeat what Josh and Rob managed to do on the dyno. But I am familiar with the principles behind what was done.

Our goal going into this was to perform consistent runs back-to-back in order to find the gains from the bolt-ons and UpRev tune. We knew that as long as each run was consistent, the absolute numbers for horsepower and torque didn't matter a lot - we only wanted to know what the gains were.

Despite this, we managed to get very accurate readings. Thanks to the computer, which monitored the wheel speed and engine speed, we were able to extrapolate the gear ratio in real-time. After a number of runs, Josh and Rob found a way to accelerate without causing the CVT to change gear ratios.

There are a number of things to keep in mind when dynoing a CVT:

1- When you're in a higher gear (3 through 6) and traveling at less than 30mph, the CVT will downshift if you accelerate too quickly. At approximately 2,500RPM the CVT will upshift back to the selected gear.
2- Going full throttle by pushing the pedal down past the click will cause the CVT to downshift, unless downshifting causes you to redline.
3- The car will upshift automatically just short of redline.

Other than these three scenarios, the CVT stays in the selected gear ratio when in manual mode.

The runs were done in 4th gear. This meant we were not going to get any readings above 6,000RPM. It also required accelerating very slowly at first until we passed the initial downshift threshold. Once we were out and above 2,500RPM the dyno began recording, and the car could be run at 95% throttle without changing gear ratios.

Although we could have theoretically pushed past the click above 4,500 RPM to run at WOT without downshifting, we chose to avoid it for consistency's sake. Our main goal was to find gains after all. A fair guess at the absolute hp and torque numbers at WOT would be to divide the results by 0.95.


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Here's the link to the article, with dyno graph goodness: http://www.zcarblog.com/
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You'll notice that we lost low-end power with the K&N.And we didn't realize significant gains until we added the y-pipe. Then the UpRev smoothed out the power, and brought the low-end torque up substantially.

The reason I think we lost power with the K&N is because the car is so sensitive to heat. We let the car cool back down to the same temperature before each run. But I think it was still too hot when for the K&N run.

Final numbers after bolt-ons and tune: 221.22whp and 223.78ft/lb torque (SAE factor of 5). If you choose to adjust these numbers for the "click," we get approximately 232.86whp and 235.56 ft/lb torque at WOT. Oh, and the governor was raised to 160mph.

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Kinda depressing seeing only a 10whp gain from exhaust+ypipe+intake+uprev tune there. Damn CVT!

funkee
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Despite what seems to be small gains, the car feels like an entirely new beast. The baseline was done with the exhaust on as well. Although we were letting the car cool down, the engine may have been hotter at the end of the day for the last few dyno runs. As far as the UpRev tune, there are a lot more plans for it. We just barely tested the waters with what can be done. The low-end torque boost should really help with the 0-60 times, and I suspect that's what my butt dyno is measuring.

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Any impact to MPG? another member is claiming 5 additional MPG on the highway.

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It's too early to tell, but there are some gains in mpg. The stock air/fuel ratios were terrible!

On cruise control at highway speed, I'm seeing numbers around 35mpg. Max I was able to squeeze out before was about 32mpg.

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Here's a funny story.

The UpRev ROM has 3 maps: Tuned, Stock and Valet. The Valet mode is currently set with a rev limit at 1,500RPM and a top speed of 7mph. I was playing with it at a red light, and hit the rev limiter very audibly. As the light turns green, I try to switch it back to Map 1, but I fail. I try again, but no luck. I switch maps by pushing the Cruise Control lever down, and then press the Cancel button above it the number of times for the map that I want.

By this time, cars are passing me left and right, and there is a line of cars behind me. I am getting flustered and I keep trying to switch the map. The Cruise Control light is supposed to turn on or flash when I select a map. Unfortunately that's not working for me. So I can only tell if I'm in Valet mode, if I gas it and hit the rev limiter or I gas it and nothing happens. Now I'm slowly rolling at 7mph, and the throttle does nothing. I keep trying to switch the map, and I am getting frustrated and hitting the buttons harder - so now I'm randomly honking and rolling very slowly through an intersection.

The cars behind me passes me after the traffic clears. Then a car full of old ladies appears behind me. I wave them around me and I turn on my hazards; meanwhile I'm fiddling with the buttons and honking. They finally decide to pass me, and the old lady behind the wheel flips me off!! I'm now so pissed off, but still can't get the maps to switch and the throttle does nothing. She cuts in front of me, and the two old ladies in the back seat turn around to see what's going on. The lady on the right gives me a thumbs up through the back window - oddly enough after the old lady driving gave me the bird. I'm so confused by this point, and I just pull over until I can get out of Valet mode.

After about a dozen tries, I manage to change the maps. A couple of miles down the road, I finally catch up to the old ladies who got pulled over. I think there must have been a sting, because they were blocked in by 3 cop cars. I laughed all the way home. I have no idea what happened to them.

Whoever has multiple maps, does any light turn on or flash when you switch maps?

MetallicSlate
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Looks like with your numbers we might be able to say with some confidence cvt drive train loss is about 20%. I'm assuming though because I dont know you're exact bhp. I'm assuming with your mods a 20hp gain at the crank.

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This is great news. I'm looking to go the uprev route on my 07 Maxima.

funkee
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mrmurphz wrote:This is great news. I'm looking to go the uprev route on my 07 Maxima.
I got your PM, but you have your PMs disabled so I couldn't reply back. Hit me up again when you have it turned on.

suprspinner
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i have the mapping the cruise control lights will blink to designate which map you are in. what they guys at my shop told me is that you have to hold the button down for an extra second after hitting cancel however many times you want.

ashvinashoke
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Did you notice a difference in the exhaust note/overall sound? I have a 2008 3.5 CVT with a racingline y pipe, borla exhaust, and k&n intake. I'm about to call and schedule my tune with z car garage.

Thanks!


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