UpRev/ECU Question

[Ilya]

Hi guys,

For those of you who have UpRev...did you need your actual cars ECU part number or did you just do the generic M ECU part number for your model car?

If I need the one that's in my dash...how do I get to my ECU? I'm getting ready to order the Osiris Standard version of UpRev but the form is asking for my ECU part number.

Thanks!

[rgb129]

Call a dealership with your VIN number and they should be able to get that number to you.

[Ilya]

Call a dealership with your VIN number and they should be able to get that number to you.

Thank you.

Another question...

For the maps...what should I set the specs to? Meaning...rev limiter and speed limiter.

I was thinking the following: (map: rev limit/speed limit)


Map 1: Stock: stock/stock
Map 2: Sport: open/open
Map 3: Eco: open/open
Map 4: Security: ?/?
Map 5: Valet: 3,500/30mph

That sound good?

[rgb129]

Really personal preference, but that looks pretty good to me. You might consider one for a lower octane for those rare occasions you can't get decent gas.

[Ilya]

Really personal preference, but that looks pretty good to me. You might consider one for a lower octane for those rare occasions you can't get decent gas.

Yeah I live in NY...where we have 93 almost everywhere. I do travel a bit though (I'm a wedding photographer) and will be getting it tuned for 91 which UpRev (Richard) said isn't that much different from 93. That way, if I go south where 91 is more common, I won't have issues.

Thanks for your help man.

[06M4.5]

First let me say I don't have any tunning done to my car (no Uprev).

If I was to do the Uprev to my M I would do the same set-up that you have posted but I would not leave the rev limiter open, I would bump it up 500-700 rpm more. What-ever the tunner thinks it's safe.

You don't want to over rev these engs while driving or even in park, it's like having a little insurance.

[Twizz]

When I went in to the shop that I plan on going to to do it, they told me they usually only use 4 of the 5 maps. Don't remember the exact 1s he said tho. I remember valet (not over 2k rpm), 93 octane, performance, n I think security where it just won't turn over unless you switch out.

[cruzad3r]

are you doing the etune? don't you need the uprev cable to do the flashing? if i remember correctly, you just need to tell them what mods you have and they'll send you a "firmware" file and you flash it to your car. so what mods do you have it in your car now?

[CPJ LB]

I agree with Cruzad3r -- you just have to inform them of your current mods...

I got my Uprev installed by a pro-tuner (Church's Automotive Testing) - dyno by dynapac (they also have the ability to dyno AWD) -- one of the tuner's has an Evo pushing almost 500 WHP.....

as far as the maps, what you have listed is common. I have 'sport' as my #1 (it's quicker to engage since I only have to press the required button(s) once) -- drive by wire....

stock # 2
eco #3
valet #4 (30 mph limit)
security #5 (once engaged, the car literally sounds like it's misfiring -- kinda freaked me out at first when my tuner demonstrated it)...

**my tuner bumped up the cam timing, increased the rev limiter, and tuned the car for 91 octane**

good luck with your install....let us know how it goes

[Ilya]

are you doing the etune? don't you need the uprev cable to do the flashing? if i remember correctly, you just need to tell them what mods you have and they'll send you a "firmware" file and you flash it to your car. so what mods do you have it in your car now?

Yes. You buy Osiris Standard for $500 which includes the initial tune, plus the Cipher cable, plus 3 future update tunes. You fill out a form giving you 5 map options, plus other things like what mods you have, etc. and they build a base tune built on that.

As for what mods I have right now, just a ZTube. However, tomorrow my spacer comes in. I have my base tune setup for the spacer + ztube..so once I get the cable from them I'll datalog the car with both those mods in and they will do the tune based on the readings.

I agree with Cruzad3r -- you just have to inform them of your current mods...

I got my Uprev installed by a pro-tuner (Church's Automotive Testing) - dyno by dynapac (they also have the ability to dyno AWD) -- one of the tuner's has an Evo pushing almost 500 WHP.....

as far as the maps, what you have listed is common. I have 'sport' as my #1 (it's quicker to engage since I only have to press the required button(s) once) -- drive by wire....

stock # 2
eco #3
valet #4 (30 mph limit)
security #5 (once engaged, the car literally sounds like it's misfiring -- kinda freaked me out at first when my tuner demonstrated it)...

**my tuner bumped up the cam timing, increased the rev limiter, and tuned the car for 91 octane**

good luck with your install....let us know how it goes

Thanks man.

Question I have for you is...can you change tunes on the fly? Or do you need to power the car off and do it or something?

Like, say I'm in ECO and want to go hard from a red light...can I just change to sport and go?

Also...I'm having my security one set to a kill switch...won't start the car (from what I've read from some of the G guys).

[CPJ LB]

^ yes it is drive by wire...the options to switch maps will be connected to the cruise control functions on the steering wheel

no need to shut the car off and on...

if in stock mode and you wanna get in some spirited driving =
(on your steering wheel - on the right hand portion is the cruise control functions)

you would hold down the "Coast/Set" lever and press the 'cancel' button at the same time (depending on the setting = my sport setting is #1, so I would hold down the "Coast/Set" lever and at the same time press 'cancel' button ONCE, (on your dashboard near the speedo, a green light will flash ('set') accordingly) to switch to #2 or #3 setting, simply hold down the "Coast/Set" lever and at the same time press the 'cancel' button the same number of times equalling the setting number...and you will see the green flash 'set' equalling the map you select) it's simple.

[Ilya]

Thanks

[mexillis]

I wish when I changed maps my SET light flashed green. I guess it's because I got it tuned shortly after they hacked the M's ECU. When you do get I tuned it ould be better to leave it in either your tuned "sport" mode or eco, stock isn't worth leaving it imo.

[Ilya]

Oh it will almost always be in sport or eco for sure. I want stock just in case I go to the dealer for something so it's not too obvious lol.

[06M4.5]

What I dislike the most is the delay the M's have up until 20mph, it just sucks.

It would be the 1st thing I'll take out.

[Ilya]

Delay?

[mexillis]

WOT delay happens in first gear up to xx mph. I think it also happens in other gears but I'm not 100%. As for how high you should raise the rev limiter, in the M45 I think my tuner only raised it like 300rpm's based on the error of what the motor is actually spinning at and what the tach shows.

[Ilya]

Oh okay. I didn't realize that haha. I'm not really into performance so I don't know all the ins and outs.

Speaking of the engine...what does this 2* timing advance do? I've read about it regarding uprev, etc.

[TDot]

OK, I think I'm interested in this now. But I have a thousand questions. I went to the uprev site and didn't really find any detailed answers to my questions beyond "marketing statements". Can anyone point me to somewhere or post that has detailed info about this?
To start off:
1/ What exactly does eco do...assume mpg...but how much better is fuel economy after, if that is what it's about?
2/ How much more HP can I get out of this?
3/ What is rev limiter? And why?
4/ What is valet? And why?
5/ Can I get rid of the delay in kicking up speed with this thing?
6/ mexillis, what does all of this mean?

WOT delay happens in first gear up to xx mph. I think it also happens in other gears but I'm not 100%. As for how high you should raise the rev limiter, in the M45 I think my tuner only raised it like 300rpm's based on the error of what the motor is actually spinning at and what the tach shows.

[Ilya]

OK, I think I'm interested in this now. But I have a thousand questions. I went to the uprev site and didn't really find any detailed answers to my questions beyond "marketing statements". Can anyone point me to somewhere or post that has detailed info about this?
To start off:
1/ What exactly does eco do...assume mpg...but how much better is fuel economy after, if that is what it's about? It's a different tune for air and fuel mixture resulting in better engine efficiency I'm guessing. In theory, this should increase MPG...but I'm not expecting a huge jump...maybe 1 or 2 MPG
2/ How much more HP can I get out of this? Depends on your supporting mods. With my ztube and spacer, I'm hoping to get around 20 or so (12-14 with the spacer, 1 or 2 with the ztube, and the rest by 'unlocking' the motors potential
3/ What is rev limiter? And why?Your stock 'redline' is the factory rev limiter. Try driving in manual and not shifting. Once you hit like 7800 rpm, you car will buck/cut power a bit. By tuning this, you can raise it to say, 8100.
4/ What is valet? And why?It's a tune that only allows the car to go 0-30mph (or whatever you specify) and 0-3000rpm (or whatever you specify). This prevents the valet guys at hotels, casinos, etc. from beating the crap out of your car in the parking lot.
5/ Can I get rid of the delay in kicking up speed with this thing?
6/ mexillis, what does all of this mean?

WOT delay happens in first gear up to xx mph. I think it also happens in other gears but I'm not 100%. As for how high you should raise the rev limiter, in the M45 I think my tuner only raised it like 300rpm's based on the error of what the motor is actually spinning at and what the tach shows.

WOT = wide open throttle. The cars throttle, as I just learned, doesn't always open up all the way. It only does this under certain circumstances. When the throttle is wide open, more air is coming into the motor via the throttle body from what I understand. The engine then adds more fuel and BOOM...you have more power.

I'll answer what I can in red.

[Twizz]

are you doing the etune? don't you need the uprev cable to do the flashing? if i remember correctly, you just need to tell them what mods you have and they'll send you a "firmware" file and you flash it to your car. so what mods do you have it in your car now?

Yes. You buy Osiris Standard for $500 which includes the initial tune, plus the Cipher cable, plus 3 future update tunes. You fill out a form giving you 5 map options, plus other things like what mods you have, etc. and they build a base tune built on that.

As for what mods I have right now, just a ZTube. However, tomorrow my spacer comes in. I have my base tune setup for the spacer + ztube..so once I get the cable from them I'll datalog the car with both those mods in and they will do the tune based on the readings.

I agree with Cruzad3r -- you just have to inform them of your current mods...

I got my Uprev installed by a pro-tuner (Church's Automotive Testing) - dyno by dynapac (they also have the ability to dyno AWD) -- one of the tuner's has an Evo pushing almost 500 WHP.....

as far as the maps, what you have listed is common. I have 'sport' as my #1 (it's quicker to engage since I only have to press the required button(s) once) -- drive by wire....

stock # 2
eco #3
valet #4 (30 mph limit)
security #5 (once engaged, the car literally sounds like it's misfiring -- kinda freaked me out at first when my tuner demonstrated it)...

**my tuner bumped up the cam timing, increased the rev limiter, and tuned the car for 91 octane**

good luck with your install....let us know how it goes

Thanks man.

Question I have for you is...can you change tunes on the fly? Or do you need to power the car off and do it or something?

Like, say I'm in ECO and want to go hard from a red light...can I just change to sport and go?

Also...I'm having my security one set to a kill switch...won't start the car (from what I've read from some of the G guys).

I am by no means a car expert. But if you're going to pay $500 for a tune package n potentially mess something up, y not pay $600 n get it tunes specifically for your car and you also get a Dyno. I just think its a better value. You get a professional tuning and Dyno for $600 as opposed to the pack and hope lol. Just my humble opinion

[Ilya]

I am by no means a car expert. But if you're going to pay $500 for a tune package n potentially mess something up, y not pay $600 n get it tunes specifically for your car and you also get a Dyno. I just think its a better value. You get a professional tuning and Dyno for $600 as opposed to the pack and hope lol. Just my humble opinion

There is no hoping. These guys know how to tune this specific software better than anyone. Why? Because they wrote it.

They tune for your car. They don't give you a basic VQ tune. That's why they send you the cipher cable. You drive your car, plug in the cable, and it reads all the data from YOUR car (such air, fuel, temp, etc.) via the cable to their software on your laptop. You then send them this data and they build a tune based on that information.

It's less expensive, and unless you have a LOT of work done to your car (like me - I only have 2 mods that aren't that major), it's makes more sense.

If I was super charged, turbo charged, had engine block work like cams, etc. then you'd be right. I would need a specific tuning session, etc.

[CPJ LB]

it's fine that you're doing the tune Ilyakol...like you said, the short list of mods you have will be fine without a dyno.

in addition to the eco map, my tuner has it set to where if I were to floor the gas or get on it...the sport tune automatically kicks in -- that was a bonus feature. (for emergency purposes like getting out of harms way, etc)

I keep my setting in 'sport' for the majority of time...but also in eco setting.

my mpg has ranged from 15 to 19mpgs (depending on the type of driving and setting)

as far as power added from the tune, yes...it's provided, but it also depends on the supporting mods...here is a breakdown of my prior dynos and I've had the Uprev for over a year.

FACTORY RATED 06 M35sport at the flywheel = HP: 280 TQ: 270 (which is rated very low at the wheels)

Initial Uprev
3/22/11 - Baseline run 91 octane
NEAR STOCK (K&N drop in, stock mufflers w/xpipe and 2.25"piping from cats) =
power at the wheels:
whp: 229 @ 5953 A/F: 13.79
Tq: 228 @ 4938

3/22/11 - Adding TUNE: UPREV w/Osiris
power at the wheels:
whp: 252 @ 5952 A/F: 12.98
Tq: 238 @ 4767


4/18/11 - 91 octane(5/16 MD plenum spacer, K&N drop in, z tube, 2.25" dual exhaust piping from cats - xpipe, high flow resonators - to stock mufflers)
power at the wheels:
whp: 265 @ 6300
Tq: 245 @ 4745


11/15/11 - 91 octane
(5/16 MD plenum spacer, MD MREV2, MD Isothermal gasket, K&N drop in, z tube, G35 Ypipe,Megan exhaust 2.5"mid pipes & axle backs, NGK spark plugs)
power at the wheels
whp: 282 @ 6408
Tq: 255 @ 4693

*Test run for lower end tq: 270 @ 2691 rpm

I now have HFC's and will put on the Motordyne xyz pipe to get a test run on numbers, but from my butt dyno, since adding the HFC's I've felt a huge difference in overall power...the car definately pulls hard.

Driving in manual mode allows you to use the entire powerband...I don't go past 7000rpm to prevent wear and tear of the rods, springs, etc(as you can see the majority of my HP is at approx 6500rpm's)...those that have built motors don't have to worry about going "too" high in the rpms....

the best thing I enjoy is the drivability of the car..."its more fun to drive"....

[CPJ LB]

...BTW, when I changed the spark plugs, it gave the car new life.....it's amazing how everything comes together when tuning these cars....

[Ilya]

How did you get that custom tune where it kicks in automatically? I can definitely see a use for that. I'll have to call UpRev and see if they can throw it in.

And that's some pretty good numbers you got there.

I gotta start babying my car a bit more...I've been a little harsh on her over the years. lol.

(stop going to close to redline as you mention).

[CPJ LB]

How did you get that custom tune where it kicks in automatically? I can definitely see a use for that. I'll have to call UpRev and see if they can throw it in.

And that's some pretty good numbers you got there.

I gotta start babying my car a bit more...I've been a little harsh on her over the years. lol.

(stop going to close to redline as you mention).

LOL...redline is a Biyatch unless you have an M3 or Evo...

as far as the "automatic sport kick in", I believe it's nothing extra in terms of price wise...If I remember, I will call the guys at Church's auto and see what he did (or if it's built in the tune)....

...on another note, you should think of doing the 08 front bumper swap........what a difference:

[Ilya]

How did you get that custom tune where it kicks in automatically? I can definitely see a use for that. I'll have to call UpRev and see if they can throw it in.

And that's some pretty good numbers you got there.

I gotta start babying my car a bit more...I've been a little harsh on her over the years. lol.

(stop going to close to redline as you mention).

LOL...redline is a Biyatch unless you have an M3 or Evo...

as far as the "automatic sport kick in", I believe it's nothing extra in terms of price wise...If I remember, I will call the guys at Church's auto and see what he did (or if it's built in the tune)....

...on another note, you should think of doing the 08 front bumper swap........what a difference:

I do have the bumper in mind...but I'm worried I'll have gaps like someone people did when they converted.

[cruzad3r]

can you two post a pic/link on your ztube. they're not expensive but i thought the stock airbox has the MAF holder build in, how did you guys transfer that to the ztube?

[Ilya]

can you two post a pic/link on your ztube. they're not expensive but i thought the stock airbox has the MAF holder build in, how did you guys transfer that to the ztube?

Stock airbox, MAF, ZTube, Throttle Body. That's the order it goes in. The Z Tube just replaces that plastic piece that has the 'chamber'.

[rgb129]

I do have the bumper in mind...but I'm worried I'll have gaps like someone people did when they converted.

You won't have gaps if you get a genuine infiniti bumper. I have one on mine and fits perfectly...no gaps.