Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

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Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby ncowner » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:25 pm

I know there are many topics on this, but most of the ones I found were from about 5 years ago and also I have specific questions that were not answered.
So I spoke with this guy that I know who does car audio installations but he was not very clear so I would like to confirm with you guys.
I have a 2018 Rogue SV, it does not have the bose system. I was told that I can keep the stock head unit and just buy new speakers and an amplifier to make the speakers louder. I was recommended to buy the GX600C JBL speakers for the front and the GX602 JBL coaxial speakers for the back. I really know nothing about car audio, so is that how it always is? The rear ones have to be coaxial and the front ones component ? I was told that the only difference between the two is that the component ones have the tweeters separated and the coaxial ones the tweeters are integrated into the speakers. I think that's why he said to buy component for the front so that I can replace the stock tweeters as well, right? The other issue is that I am not sure how to install the tweeters and I was wondering if anybody here knows how to do that? The front speakers also come with crossovers and I also would like to know if there are any videos or anything that I can watch to do it myself? I also wonder if I could install the tweeters without the crossovers, is that possible? Shouldn't the car already have crossovers since it already has tweeters?
And then for an amplifier he said to get the alpine power pack KTP-445U because it will be easier to install than a normal amplifier.
The other thing is I was looking at the polk mm6502 speakers, do you know if they are better? The other thing with them is I don't know if they are coaxial or component and I don't know if they would work for both the front and the rear. Also if I get those he said I would need a better amplifier to be able to power those.
My other question is, I know the Rogue SL comes with 9 speakers compared to the 6 that the SV has. Do you know what those 3 extra speakers are and if it's something that I can add to my current car?
I'm sorry I have so many questions I would just really like to learn all about car audio. Thank you.


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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby DTASFAB » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:48 am

This is a matter of personal preference, and if higher volume with excellent sound quality is your primary objective, replacing the speakers and adding an external amp is not a bad move.

Personally, I've found that upgrading the head unit and amp (even by using the built-in amp on a high-end aftermarket head unit) and keeping factory speakers has produced satisfactory results for me in older vehicles. My Rogue still has all stock equipment, but it's a 2013 with the Bose system, so I never had any reason to look to replace it. It's not the best, not even close, but it's still pretty damn good.

Do you have the around view monitor or just the backup camera? I'm presuming since you don't have the Bose system that it doesn't have navigation or satellite radio. I'd look to replace the head unit before I replace the speakers, but obviously there are other considerations as well, such as the camera views on the screen. I'd like to be able to watch DVDs while I'm driving (illegal in most states, but I don't care), but that reason alone is not enough to make me want to replace the factory head unit. From what I understand, the factory subwoofer is not compatible with any other head unit, so it's not worth it to me to mess with what I have.

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby macgiver » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:28 am

mac , I don't have time for any more detail than CLASS AB amp , CLASS AB , CLASS AB , CLASS AB - all the crappy sound in a LOT of cars today is from class D ,sonically it's JUNK & ONLY GOOD for the loud thundering BASS. Get like a HELIX G4 , or a Fosgate (thats class AB & they run COOL) :yesnod Study the Crutchfield site ,has only the better gear & great tutorials :cool: p.s. "High level"or aka "speaker level" input allow taking the signal from factory head units' speaker-outs ,it's convenient.

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby ncowner » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:47 pm

I got the premium package so yeah the head unit has the around view cameras the satellite radio and all that which is why I wanted to keep it. I think I have decided to just get the speakers that he recommended the JBL. I guess my only question is, how do I install the tweeters and the crossovers ? Do I have to use the crossovers or can I install the tweeters without them? I just want to know how to connect the crossovers and where to put them. I might not even get an amplifier I will see how they sound without it first

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby macgiver » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:27 pm

mac , I would see what the "He" who recomended , and your doing the buying from first has for wiring diagram, if still not sure - run what they say to another "knowledgeable" person for verification that it makes sense. :yesnod Adding ,just tweeters now , basically utilizes an electrolytic capacitor (NON-POLARIZED ie, Tantalum-usually at least 30 volt & around = 4 mf ) one side to pos. speaker out from amp -other end to pos. of tweeter term. - and neg. of tweeter term. to neg. speaker out from amp. :cool: AND this is NOT a crossover (full bass block -hi pass etc. or let alone 3-way) - TWEETERS ONLY just need a capacitor to "separate " the highs ! :rotfl
G 3/10/2018

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2017 Non-Bose Audio Upgrade

Postby Exodus1818 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:45 pm

Tried searching far and wide for info, but can't find anything for the 17-18 models of Rogue. Has anyone successfully swapped in an aftermarket head unit? Having Carplay and Android in my vehicles are a must for me. I'm wondering how much of a difference in wiring and plugs there are in between a 2016 and 2017.

My main worries are if there are adapters to retain the factory USB and Aux plugs, and having all steering controls (volume, tracks selection, Call answer/Siri, Call hang up). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby Rogue One » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:08 am

ncowner and Exodus1818, you both have 2nd gen Rogue's. The info for the 2014, 15 and 16 models will apply. For the most up-to-date connector info, go to http://www.metraonline.com/

As for what brand of stereo or speakers, DTASFAB nailed it when he said it's a matter of personal preference.

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby datechboss101 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:25 am

Actually, Brian Cooley from CNET explains this issue clearly:

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Re: 2017 Non-Bose Audio Upgrade

Postby Ked » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:45 pm

Exodus1818 wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:45 pm
Tried searching far and wide for info, but can't find anything for the 17-18 models of Rogue. Has anyone successfully swapped in an aftermarket head unit? Having Carplay and Android in my vehicles are a must for me. I'm wondering how much of a difference in wiring and plugs there are in between a 2016 and 2017.

My main worries are if there are adapters to retain the factory USB and Aux plugs, and having all steering controls (volume, tracks selection, Call answer/Siri, Call hang up). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Funny that you should mention that. I am in the middle of a work-in-progress car stereo upgrade which consists of:

- Replace Front door speakers and dash corner tweeters
- Replace Rear door speakers
- Add powered subwoofer in the trunk
- Replace Factory Radio Unit (CD with SiriusXM, 4.3 inch screen) with aftermarket Carplay/Android Auto Unit

So far, I am about 90% completed. As you mentioned, it's been a challenge to find quality information to aid in installation and removal. However, based on some detective work, reading, and online access to service information, it has not been as impossible as I originally had thought.

To your worries, I have been able to complete the following so far:
1. Retain Steering Wheel controls using Axxess AWSC-1 (Volume up/Down, Track Forward/Back are working, I have not checked the Siri and Call hang Up yet)
2. Retain Factory Backup camera using the Axxess AX-NIS32SWC-6V
3. Retain Factory USB port. When I removed and dissembled the panel that contained the USB/AUX pot and 12-Volt accessory port, I was surprised to see that the receptacle on the back
of the USB port was a standard USB mini port. I simply connected a USB mini to standard USB-A cable (Think Blackberry charging cable) from the receptacle to the back of the car stereo. I
have not addressed the AUX port yet, as I may just tap into the existing cable located where the connector mated with the old head unit

There were other technical challenges that I encountered but resolved (e.g. location of the Speed Sensor wire on the factory harness, Using a Brake bypass kit specific to my head unit to avoid cutting into the parking brake wire.) Another point is that you will lose the use of the factory integrated microphone located in the "Map Light" area overhead. Nobody seems to offer a phantom power supply for it to supply the voltage to drive it from an aftermarket radio. The factory radio provides this (It's a three-wire electret condenser microphone).

I still have to work out where on the firewall that I can run the power wire from the battery to the trunk where the self-powered subwoofer. There aren't many well documented summaries on google or bing regarding anyone who has tried this on a 2017/2018 Rogue or Rogue sport. I don't like the idea of running a 10 gauge power wire through a fender wheel well, as I see some have posted. I will keep looking for a suitable entry point.

Going by what others have mentioned in this thread so far, I had a specific sound aesthetic in mind when choosing my components. My tastes in music range mainly in Jazz and Classical, so I was looking to for something warm sounding with smooth but defined bass response.

More to come hopefully.

Regards,
Ked

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby Ked » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:35 am

Another thing to mention, you will also lose the clock on your dashboard, as it does not sync with the aftermarket radio.

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Ked

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby Ked » Thu May 03, 2018 11:33 am

UPDATE:

1. Firewall Entry point for amplifier power wire

On the 2018 Rogue Sport, you have to remove the entire battery from the compartment, then remove the entire air cleaner assembly in order to get to the firewall grommet where the harness passes through to the cabin. It was challenging, but once I carefully uses a pair of scissors to poke a hole through a small area of the grommet, I then used a Nylon wire snake that I bought from Crutchfield to enter carefully through opening. After opening the driver door, I can see the snake penetrated through successfully and had already reached the floor. The power wire was then attached to the end of the Nylon wire snake with some TESA tape (holds much better than standard electrical tape). Slowly, I pulled the wire through the firewall. I want to add that I used a 10-gauge OFC power cable that was enclosed in a nylon split loom tubing made by Painless to provide good protection while under the hood.

2. Steering wheel controls - Call End and Call Receive button works. Siri button does not and requires firmware update and additional manual programming of the button in order to work. This is not a show stopper for me, as the iLX-F309 has a button for Siri on the front and I can live with that for a while.

3. Ground loop considerations
Learning a lot of nuances and caveats of modern car audio installation along the way. Several takeaways include making sure that all of the devices grounds tie to a SOLID chassis ground. Do not use any ground wires that may be in the factory harness (Pin 20 specifically), but tie these to chassis ground. The chassis ground cluster is located on the driver side once the sill trim is removed and several points of the carpet are removed through the retaining clips (sounds more invasive that it really is, but it's easy as pie). You may need to use a diode on the remote turn on lead to prevent back flow of power from the Amplifier/powered subwoofer remote lead. Some batty things start to happen at that point (e.g. Radio doesn't turn on initially when starting the car, some radio settings don't work even when the parking brake is engaged.)

Regards,
Ked

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby ras_oscar » Tue May 08, 2018 10:03 am

If you go to the Crutchfield web site, you can plug in your vehicle and optio0ns and get a listing not only of what will fit, but the wiring harnesses you will need to make the equipment work.

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby Ked » Wed May 09, 2018 12:37 pm

ras_oscar wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 10:03 am
If you go to the Crutchfield web site, you can plug in your vehicle and optio0ns and get a listing not only of what will fit, but the wiring harnesses you will need to make the equipment work.
Incidentally, the Metra radio harness that they sell worked fine, but there are a couple of caveats. There is a black ground wire on it that has a sticker that says "For Subaru Only," even though on the Rogue Sport's harness there is a matching black ground wire in the same position. I did NOT connect and use this. I ran a separate ground directly to the chassis ground location on the driver's side. This will reduced the possibility of any ground loop issues. The other point is that the Metra harness DOES NOT contain a wire at Pin 18, which is the vehicle speed sensor wire on the factory wiring harness. I had to run a manual jumper from the Alpine head unit's speed sensor wire to the harness (squeeze tap connector).

Anyway, the whole system is now working and complete. It sounds way better than the standard 6-speaker non-Bose CD system and, I'd argue, sound better than the Bose system in my wife's 2017.5 Murano. And I didn't to spend a boatload of money.

Regards,
Ked
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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby Exodus1818 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:45 am

Ked you've been tons of help. I have a Sony XAV-AX5000 coming in this afternoon and I'm excited to get started. Luckily all the wiring kits I've gotten are the ones you used. Will also definitely take your ground loop advice.

I have another question concerning the front speakers. Did you use the stock wiring for the components? I'm about to order the component speakers for the front but can't find any info on how the stock crossover works or where it's located. Am not sure if I'm going to have to end up running new speaker wire to the front doors and tweeters.

Also, bummer to hear that I'll lose the dashboard clock. I was worried about losing that since the settings are set in the stock unit, but was really hoping it would still let me set it in the dashboard settings. At least now I now so I'm not disappointed after all the install work!

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Re: Upgrading sound system on 2018 rogue

Postby bobbychet » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am

Exodus,
Better check out the ohms on your factory speakers too! My 2018 Sentra had 2 ohm speakers.
That being said, will you have enough power to run your aftermarket speakers with tweets
and cross overs?
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Re: 2017 Non-Bose Audio Upgrade

Postby nayers1981 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:15 am

Ked wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:45 pm
Exodus1818 wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:45 pm
Tried searching far and wide for info, but can't find anything for the 17-18 models of Rogue. Has anyone successfully swapped in an aftermarket head unit? Having Carplay and Android in my vehicles are a must for me. I'm wondering how much of a difference in wiring and plugs there are in between a 2016 and 2017.

My main worries are if there are adapters to retain the factory USB and Aux plugs, and having all steering controls (volume, tracks selection, Call answer/Siri, Call hang up). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Funny that you should mention that. I am in the middle of a work-in-progress car stereo upgrade which consists of:

- Replace Front door speakers and dash corner tweeters
- Replace Rear door speakers
- Add powered subwoofer in the trunk
- Replace Factory Radio Unit (CD with SiriusXM, 4.3 inch screen) with aftermarket Carplay/Android Auto Unit

So far, I am about 90% completed. As you mentioned, it's been a challenge to find quality information to aid in installation and removal. However, based on some detective work, reading, and online access to service information, it has not been as impossible as I originally had thought.

To your worries, I have been able to complete the following so far:
1. Retain Steering Wheel controls using Axxess AWSC-1 (Volume up/Down, Track Forward/Back are working, I have not checked the Siri and Call hang Up yet)
2. Retain Factory Backup camera using the Axxess AX-NIS32SWC-6V
3. Retain Factory USB port. When I removed and dissembled the panel that contained the USB/AUX pot and 12-Volt accessory port, I was surprised to see that the receptacle on the back
of the USB port was a standard USB mini port. I simply connected a USB mini to standard USB-A cable (Think Blackberry charging cable) from the receptacle to the back of the car stereo. I
have not addressed the AUX port yet, as I may just tap into the existing cable located where the connector mated with the old head unit

There were other technical challenges that I encountered but resolved (e.g. location of the Speed Sensor wire on the factory harness, Using a Brake bypass kit specific to my head unit to avoid cutting into the parking brake wire.) Another point is that you will lose the use of the factory integrated microphone located in the "Map Light" area overhead. Nobody seems to offer a phantom power supply for it to supply the voltage to drive it from an aftermarket radio. The factory radio provides this (It's a three-wire electret condenser microphone).

I still have to work out where on the firewall that I can run the power wire from the battery to the trunk where the self-powered subwoofer. There aren't many well documented summaries on google or bing regarding anyone who has tried this on a 2017/2018 Rogue or Rogue sport. I don't like the idea of running a 10 gauge power wire through a fender wheel well, as I see some have posted. I will keep looking for a suitable entry point.

Going by what others have mentioned in this thread so far, I had a specific sound aesthetic in mind when choosing my components. My tastes in music range mainly in Jazz and Classical, so I was looking to for something warm sounding with smooth but defined bass response.

More to come hopefully.

Regards,
Ked
can you give me a little info on how you got the backup camera to work? I have purchased this harness and could not get the backup camera to work.. nice radio everything works great even turned off the video on while driving, but cannot get backup camera to work. I have a 17 SL with Bose.


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