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Is anyone still undecided? Im one of these undecided people and here in VA we're getting A LOT of attention. We're practically getting bombarded from both campaigns with ads running almost 24/7. One ad that sticks out in my mind is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PluoMotgl2w

Pretty convincing IMO.


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I am sure you will make the right decision....

I am shocked that my state is in play. While I can't say that we are being bombarded, we are seeing a lot more Presidential Ads than we normally do.Also, I use to live in Woodbridge and VA Beach back in the 1980's.

The whole 90% thing. The stupid thing is this, the President doesn't vote. So how can anyone vote 90% of the time with George W Bush? GW isn't a Senator and he only signs bills into law or vetos them. I guess if they said that John McCain voted 90% with his party, that would be a correct assertion.

Sorry, just a pet peeve.


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The President has a position on legislation. It's a valid statement.

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fellow Virginian here, already voted absebtee.I would say ignore the ads and do your own research. The internet is a great resource when used smartly. Avoid the partisan sites on either end, they are not good sources. Check as many newspaper archives as you can and get the stories from the era, not retellings in recent issues that have likely been slanted. Check the congression voting records. They are clear indications of what each candidate truly feels.

Choose who you think most closely aligns with your personal beleifs and priorities. Good luck!

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ishkabibble wrote:The President has a position on legislation. It's a valid statement.
I am sure that the Justices on the Supreme Court have positions on pieces of legislation, but no one ever claims they vote with the Court xx percent of the time. I am sure if the Court was unpopular the Obama Campaign would start to make the claim. Throw anything at the wall to see if it sticks, if not take it off your Campaign Website in a hurry so that no one can see. Like the General Singlaub claim. Way to do your historical homework Obama folks!


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The Court does not pass legislation. The President does.

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ishkabibble wrote:The Court does not pass legislation. The President does.
Maybe we are arguing semantics here, but the President doesn't pass legislation in the same way that Senators nor Congresspeople pass them into law. So yeah, there is a difference, I guess the question is that if there is a difference with/without a distinction.bud

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Cold_Zero wrote:
....... Throw anything at the wall to see if it sticks,....
You mean the like McSame repeating that Bill Ayres is just a washed up old terrorlst that doesn't matter anymore but keep on repeating it in every campaign speech and on robo calls?

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Cold_Zero wrote:
Maybe we are arguing semantics here, but the President doesn't pass legislation in the same way that Senators nor Congresspeople pass them into law. So yeah, there is a difference, I guess the question is that if there is a difference with/without a distinction.bud
The President CAN present legislation, however, even if he can't vote on it.

The Supreme Court cannot introduce legislation.

I suspect that they're asserting that McCain voted "yes" on 90% of legislation introduced by the White House (i.e. budgets, the bailout, or whatever else, you see them propose stuff all the time).

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To the original poster, McCain does, generally, vote with the party on most issues other than immigration, campaign finance reform and, sometimes, the environment.

He is not "McSame" per se, he is not George Bush, but he supports the same supply-side economics, he would appoint similar justices to the Supreme Court (i.e. pro-life), he has very similar foreign policy views, et cetera. I don't think McCain himself would refute any of this, as these are his public positions.

What issues are important to you? If you let us know, we can figure out which candidate most closely reflects them.


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telcoman wrote:Bill Ayres is just a washed up old terrorlst that doesn't matter anymore
From your beloved NY Times:
NY Times 2001 wrote:So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.
Doesn't matter anymore... right.

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Cold_Zero wrote:
Maybe we are arguing semantics here, but the President doesn't pass legislation in the same way that Senators nor Congresspeople pass them into law. So yeah, there is a difference, I guess the question is that if there is a difference with/without a distinction.
It's not so much about a difference, it's about whether the President's opinion on legislation is significant. Since he holds veto power and he passes legislation with his signature, I would say it is.


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