UFC 116! Spoiler

[vikesfankevin1986]

Hey guys. First time posting in this forum ( I am normally in the 300ZX forum.) I don't have accounts with any other websites so I'm posting here. Did any one see UFC 116? What are you reactions. The main events were epic! After taking a semester of Judo under a former Olympic coach I have a lot of respect for Judo and to see a gold medalist taken out by a hick( I love leben and picked him to win) was insane, especially by submission. I picked Leben to win in the first round by KO.
I am a huge Brock fan and I hope this will finally shut up the haters. My prediction for this fight was Brock if he was smart, meaning if he chose to box with Carwin he was going to get KO'd but if he took him to the ground he would pound him. He actually submitted him which is even more impressing! Thoughts?

[PEZi]

always been a lesnar fan....

[vikesfankevin1986]

I don't know why people don't like the guy. It must be the way he acts or maybe the fact he was in the WWE but a lot of people in MMA have bad attitudes. I have been a wrestling fan for a long time and go the the U of Minnesota right now. Lesnar is nothing but skill...people are starting to find out.

[PEZi]

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Why is your screen name purple?

[PEZi]

i believe it has to do with his newb status... either post count or join date... it more of a light blue tho

[vikesfankevin1986]

looks blue to me...So I typed up something for sherdog.net for the Brock haters but I can't post there yet. Any Brock haters let me know and I will post it here

[tm1218]

I dislike Lesnar, but I dislike anyone with a cocky attitude. Sure he is a great wrestler, but he hasnt fought enough to think he is the greatest. The only person he has fought that is an even match up was Mir, and what happened? Mir beat him once. They hyped this match up like Carwin was some incredible fighter who could easily take the title from Lesnar. I believe Nogueira has a better chance at beating Lesnar than Carwin. What I want to see is Lesnar fight a BJJ expert. Mir was one, and he got a win against Lesnar. BJJ is Lesnar's weakness, and I want to see his big a** get submitted while hes laying on top trying to suffocate his opponent. I bet someone is going to try to argue my point that Lesnar hasnt fought anyone other than Mir that is an even match up, but I have been into MMA since Pride, so I know my s***. Lesnar is fighting less-skilled opponents. His ground game is far superior to anyone other than BJJ based fighters. Once they match him up with someone that has equal ground game, then I will respect him as a fighter... but still not as a good sportsman.

[Mitchum]

I suppose im a lesnar hater. Theses are my reasons.

His post fight attitude-after Mir-2. Your not in the WWE anymore, I don't care if you think the beer sponsors owe you more money, I don't care your going to "mount your wife" and fingering the crowd isn't something that belongs in MMA-leave that in the WWE. And on that note, after the spaz out he has smartened up.

I don't like how he's referred to as "the most powerful champion in UFC history"-UFC history is a very BOLD statement. Chuck liddell? Anderson Silvia?GSP? hell-even randy couture(in his prime)...the list of "powerful" champions is endless-just because Brock has defended his title twice and weighs in at 265 means nothing to me.

On that note-who's idea was it to give Brock a title shot after what? beating a 50 year old Randy Couture? I believe he was hyped up and put ahead of where he belonged-now hes obviously living up to the hype, don't get me wrong, hes shut me up twice now-Mir and Carwin. But When he was given a title shot after what-TWO fights in the UFC-one being a loss and one being a decision against who...?Oh..Heath herring. I think there were other fighters who had earned it above him.

But we will wait and see,perhaps following Fedor's(if you haven't heard of him,Google him, read up on this monster) loss the other week Dana white will get off his pocket and bring a REAL heavyweight champion into the UFC to give Brock a challenge.

[Mr1der]

ugh...I guess I gotta start giving Lesnar his due...he's still a jackass.

I hope Carwin bounces back and works on his sub defense and cardio

[Speedy7_7]

I would love to see Fedor fight Lesnar, I am worried that Fedor is past his prime though, 5 years ago Lesnar wouldn't have stood a chance, but now he might be able to take him.

I have done weight training and conditioning with lesnar when he was still wrestling for the U of M. It is strange to see him now, he seems like a d!ck, but back then (summer of 2000) he was an incredibly humble and nice guy.

[tm1218]

As much as I think Fedor is the best all around and pound for pound fighter ever, he is an incredibly small heavyweight. Lesnar on the other hand is a huge heavyweight. Lesnar would have an incredible size advantage over Fedor. Fedor does have the skill to do it though, but if Fedor lost to him it would be due to a size advantage, almost an unfair size advantage. Fedor has beat bigger guys than Lesnar before but they were nowhere near as skilled. Also, I highly doubt Fedor is signing to UFC. He and Strikeforce practically hinted that he would be rejoining their organization at the press conference closing his lprevious fight. Fedor is still my favorite fighter, but I want someone else to wreck Lesnar.

I also want to see the long anticipated Vitor Belfort vs Anderson Silva, but they each have acquired an injury both times they were supposed to fight. Belfort is the only fighter who could destroy Silva. GSP and Shogun could beat Silva, but not easily. Belfort is the only one with striking speed equal/faster than Silva, not to mention a BJJ black belt.

[bigbadberry3]

Fedors past his prime, Brock's pure athleticism would give him the victory.

I was sad to see sexyana go down cause he was supposed to be able to challenge Silva someday...

When's Lashley going to call out Lesnar?

[Pieceofsand]

I've always been curious that if Brock Lesnar had a fight against Bruce Lee in the octagon, no rules--and who will win. If you have an answer please do explain and reason.

[tm1218]

Lesnar would tackle and kill Bruce Lee with MMA rules... but when it comes to no rules, Kung Fu > all. Eye gouging, throat shots, finger breaks, neck snaps, groin kicks, the list goes on. Kung Fu is about ending the fight as quickly as possible, by any means possible. Accuracy, fluid movement, countering, and speed take priority over size/power. Kung Fu is intelligent fighting. By far my favorite, and the most complex martial art of all... And Bruce Lee is not the best Kung Fu practitioner of all time, he was a celebrity just like Jackie Chan. Jackie Chan is f*** bad a**, but sadly you will never see true Kung Fu experts fight. Kung Fu is only witnessed through demonstrations nowadays. Practitioners are humble and truly believe in using their skill only for self defense, discipline, and artistic demonstration. Its more of a lifestyle than a fighting style. Just look at the Shaolin Monks... true definition of extreme conditioning.

[tm1218]

I just realized that someone mentioned Sexyama. The reason I didnt mention his fight was because I was too busy jerking off to his highlight reel on Youtube.

Im pissed that he lost though. Its just too damn hard to knock Leben out. Retard strength is a powerful weapon, and Leben has it.

[numbnuts240]

that fight clearly depicted why i dislike ufc/mma. choking someone out isn't fighting, that's a desperation move. stand your ground and battle it out.

[RicerX]

that fight clearly depicted why i dislike ufc/mma. choking someone out isn't fighting, that's a desperation move. stand your ground and battle it out.

boxing is probably better for you then. not tryin to be an a**, but submissions and overall ground work is part of the mma fight game. you need to be able to survive standing up or on the ground.

On that note-who's idea was it to give Brock a title shot after what? beating a 50 year old Randy Couture? I believe he was hyped up and put ahead of where he belonged-now hes obviously living up to the hype, don't get me wrong, hes shut me up twice now-Mir and Carwin. But When he was given a title shot after what-TWO fights in the UFC-one being a loss and one being a decision against who...?Oh..Heath herring. I think there were other fighters who had earned it above him.

At that point in time, who would you have get a title shot above Lesnar?

Part of the reasoning behind Lesnar getting the title shot so quickly was bc the UFC heavyweight division at the time was nearing shambles. They signed Brock (an NCAA division I wrestling champion + WWE superstar) for the sole purpose of creating a money draw at heavyweight. At the time Lesnar got his shot, the champ was Randy, who was brought out of retirement to get the heavyweight belt away from Tim "Snoozefest" Sylvia, and all the other major HW contenders that were signed either didn't live up to expectations (Cro Cop - had a horrific start to his UFC run, see Gonzaga), or got sick or injured (Big Nog's bad Staph infection, Frank Mir recovering from a motorcycle accident.) The Lesnar shot was an almost desperate attempt to create some excitement in the HW division. Once Lesnar jumped into the fold, they were able to create a draw with the big Lesnar-Mir feud while other contenders emerged (Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin), and now the HW division is pretty good and stacked with some solid competition. The only division that the UFC has that's more stacked is the LHW division. MW needs work badly (and needs to get Anderson Silva to MOVE UP TO LHW so he can quit dancing in the octagon and fight - I'd LOVE to see AS try and dance in front of Shogun, but I digress)

[numbnuts240]

that fight clearly depicted why i dislike ufc/mma. choking someone out isn't fighting, that's a desperation move. stand your ground and battle it out.

boxing is probably better for you then. not tryin to be an a**, but submissions and overall ground work is part of the mma fight game. you need to be able to survive standing up or on the ground.

i'm already an avid fan of boxing.

[RicerX]

werd up. different strokes, I suppose. I could never really get into it. But I will say this... if the money/pacman fight EVER happens, I'm gonna find a way to watch it somewhere. That is going to be epic if it ever happens.

[numbnuts240]

meh, too much hype, not enough action.

[RicerX]

Since you're a boxing fan, what do you make of James Toney fighting Randy Couture next month?

[numbnuts240]

they're both old farts. they're both still winning bouts, btu they're still old. since they're fighting mma rules, i have to edge towards couture. toney just doesn't have the experience in that style of fighting. force them both to stand up and take away leg use, then i'd have to err on the side of toney. it'll just come down to the fighting style and who has the experience, and in this case, it'll be couture.

[ScrapMetal]

Am I the only one who thinks Lesnar's win on Saturday against Carwin was straight up s***? It's not even that I'm biased or anything because I'm not even a fan of the UFC. Only reason I watch these fights is to talk s*** with friends a have a few beers. Carwin was completely pummeling Lesnar with punches on the ground in the first round for a long while, to the point where Lesnar even put his arms around his face and head to avoid being punched, Lesnar wasn't even punching back. Any other fight and the referee would have stopped the fight, but since Brock Lesnar is a money machine and from what I heard from a buddy was being paid $400K for this fight, they kept the fight going.

Best fight of the night IMO was Akiyama vs Leben, though I was disappointed Akiyama lost.

IMO, 116 blowed. The last one(115) was a whole lot more entertaining. The CroCop and the Liddel vs Franklin fights were just epic.

[Mr1der]

I've always been curious that if Brock Lesnar had a fight against Bruce Lee in the octagon, no rules--and who will win. If you have an answer please do explain and reason.

[tm1218]

even though Nogueira is a little past his prime, I still think he would give Lesnar a good fight. think about it... Lesnar likes to end it on the ground, mostly by ground and pound. Nogueira is notorious for keeping guys away from his face while hes on his back. he even managed to keep Fedor away from his face while Fedor was trying to ground and pound him. Nogueira would make Lesnar work for a TKO, and Lesnar damn sure wouldnt submit Nogueira. s***, Nogueira has just as good of a chance as any other heavyweight in the UFC, despite the fact that hes getting old.

...and to the person who said they dont like MMA... a truly skilled fighter can handle his s*** no matter where the fight goes. well rounded > one dimensional. I love a well placed head kick better than any punch.

[RicerX]

Am I the only one who thinks Lesnar's win on Saturday against Carwin was straight up bullsh*t? It's not even that I'm biased or anything because I'm not even a fan of the UFC. Only reason I watch these fights is to talk s*** with friends a have a few beers. Carwin was completely pummeling Lesnar with punches on the ground in the first round for a long while, to the point where Lesnar even put his arms around his face and head to avoid being punched, Lesnar wasn't even punching back. Any other fight and the referee would have stopped the fight, but since Brock Lesnar is a money machine and from what I heard from a buddy was being paid $400K for this fight, they kept the fight going.

Best fight of the night IMO was Akiyama vs Leben, though I was disappointed Akiyama lost.

IMO, 116 blowed. The last one(115) was a whole lot more entertaining. The CroCop and the Liddel vs Franklin fights were just epic.

I happen to think the referee did an excellent job. Watch the fight again. Notice how many of Carwin's punches in that scrap on the ground were actually getting through to Lesnar over time. Another thing is it doesn't matter if Lesnar was punching back - as long as he's intelligently defending himself and making an attempt to get out of a bad position, he's still in the fight. Lesnar was still trying to get up. He did get rocked, but he was hanging in there. Carwin totally punched himself out.

The referees are not sanctioned, picked, paid, or employed by the UFC. They're appointed by the hosting state's athletic commission. Your buddy is right though - Brock was getting paid $400K for the fight (Carwin was getting only $40K... kinda sad for an interim heavyweight champion IMO) but Brock's pay is regardless of a win or loss. $400K guaranteed - not counting any bonuses, sponsorship payouts, PPV revenue cuts, etc. Brock made $475K in disclosed pay (extra $75K for submission of the night bonus). After PPV revenue and sponsorship - safe to say that he banked around $1M easy.

The Leben/Akiyama fight was amazing. Akiyama needs to get in shape though. His two UFC fights have been rough conditioning-wise.

I personally thought 115 and 116 were fantastic events. Every fight was awesome.

[RicerX]

even though Nogueira is a little past his prime, I still think he would give Lesnar a good fight. think about it... Lesnar likes to end it on the ground, mostly by ground and pound. Nogueira is notorious for keeping guys away from his face while hes on his back. he even managed to keep Fedor away from his face while Fedor was trying to ground and pound him. Nogueira would make Lesnar work for a TKO, and Lesnar damn sure wouldnt submit Nogueira. s***, Nogueira has just as good of a chance as any other heavyweight in the UFC, despite the fact that hes getting old.

...and to the person who said they dont like MMA... a truly skilled fighter can handle his s*** no matter where the fight goes. well rounded > one dimensional. I love a well placed head kick better than any punch.

Only problem here is Big Nog was facing a 225-230lb Fedor. Brock usually has to cut to 265 for a fight (pre-sickness, he was walking at over 300lbs). Big Nog doesn't weigh in much over 235 from what I can remember. That's a substantial weight difference to deal with, especially off your back.

Given Nog's BJJ background though, I think Brock's strategy would be to come in and strike against Nog (Brock needs much work in his striking game still - he seems a bit awkward with it, especially in the Carwin fight). Nog has demonstrated in his last couple fights that his head movement isn't where it needs to be. Cain Velasquez tagged his a** pretty badly.

[Pieceofsand]

I've always been curious that if Brock Lesnar had a fight against Bruce Lee in the octagon, no rules--and who will win. If you have an answer please do explain and reason.

at your avatar son.

[tm1218]

even though Nogueira is a little past his prime, I still think he would give Lesnar a good fight. think about it... Lesnar likes to end it on the ground, mostly by ground and pound. Nogueira is notorious for keeping guys away from his face while hes on his back. he even managed to keep Fedor away from his face while Fedor was trying to ground and pound him. Nogueira would make Lesnar work for a TKO, and Lesnar damn sure wouldnt submit Nogueira. s***, Nogueira has just as good of a chance as any other heavyweight in the UFC, despite the fact that hes getting old.

...and to the person who said they dont like MMA... a truly skilled fighter can handle his s*** no matter where the fight goes. well rounded > one dimensional. I love a well placed head kick better than any punch.

Only problem here is Big Nog was facing a 225-230lb Fedor. Brock usually has to cut to 265 for a fight (pre-sickness, he was walking at over 300lbs). Big Nog doesn't weigh in much over 235 from what I can remember. That's a substantial weight difference to deal with, especially off your back.

Given Nog's BJJ background though, I think Brock's strategy would be to come in and strike against Nog (Brock needs much work in his striking game still - he seems a bit awkward with it, especially in the Carwin fight). Nog has demonstrated in his last couple fights that his head movement isn't where it needs to be. Cain Velasquez tagged his a** pretty badly.

if you go back to the Nogueira v Herring fight, Nogueira had excellent striking and head movement. completely outperformed Herring in the striking game. Nogueira has excellent striking for a HW with a base in BJJ. he is one of the few fighters who could deal with Brock's ground control, which is what Brock's edge over everyone else is. fight fire with fire. they keep giving Brock good match ups just like they do Anderson Silva, period.