Tzivi Lipni: "We must give up land for peace."

[heliochrome85]

Finally.http://english.aljazeera.net/n....html

[audtatious]

That's one side of the equation. Guess at this point it kinda depends on what the people want? or...is the election done and over with? I've been too busy with work to follow along on it

[480sx]

How are Tzipi Livni's words and potential policies viewed in Palestine? How are they viewed by the people of Israel?

This seems to be his 'big gun' to try and win the PM seat, so there must be at least some Israeli support for his idea or he wouldnt be throwing that out there.

When is the seat up for grabs?

This would be a huge investment that i doubt would see many short term benefits. In the long term it has a good probability of winning the hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, which is ultimately the only thing that will secure at least some peace for Israel.

They still have their work cut out for them. They are a major terrorlst target in a region that is known to most as a hotbed of terrorism.

If i understood the history a little more id probably talk about appeasement and question the move a little more, but i really just dont know. Gotta sign up for a middle east history class next semester.

[OriginalWheelman]

I've been wondering, what if Jerusalem were removed from the picture? If it were made a city state, similar to the Vatican. Have a tribunal of one leader each from the 3 religions with a claim to the city, and let them run it. Would the rest of the land be easier to work out then?

[datsun2401972]

How are Tzipi Livni's words and potential policies viewed in Palestine? How are they viewed by the people of Israel?

This seems to be her 'big gun' to try and win the PM seat, so there must be at least some Israeli support for her idea or he wouldnt be throwing that out there.

When is the seat up for grabs?

This would be a huge investment that i doubt would see many short term benefits. In the long term it has a good probability of winning the hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, which is ultimately the only thing that will secure at least some peace for Israel.

They still have their work cut out for them. They are a major terrorlst target in a region that is known to most as a hotbed of terrorism.

If i understood the history a little more id probably talk about appeasement and question the move a little more, but i really just dont know. Gotta sign up for a middle east history class next semester.

Fixed...he's a she. Although she looks kinda manly

[480sx]

Damn you Al Jazeera!

Nice catch.

Edit - Before you edited your post it took me a bit to figure out wtf you did i was getting frustrated lol.
Modified by 480sx at 10:05 PM 2/17/2009

[datsun2401972]

Could we look at Lebanon? Maybe not since there are no Jews..

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Didn't they try this already?

More than once, I think. It worked once, with Egypt, but Egypt is a little more "progressive" than Israel's current foes.

[telcoman]

It could have happened?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(No doubt an urban legend but still relevant)Subj: Israeli Sense of Humor at UN Israeli Sense of Humor at UNAn ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly

and made the world community smile.

A representative from Israel began: "Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses.

When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought,

'What a good opportunity to have a bath!'

He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water.

When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them."The Palestinian representative jumped up furiously and shouted, "What are you talking about?

The Palestinians weren't there then."

The Israeli representative smiled and said,

"And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."

Telcoman

[szh]

(FWIW, First, I doubt this UN incident happened. But that is is irrelevant anyway.)

Second (and I have had this discussion with others before), for Israelites to claim that they were thrown out of an area 2000+ years ago and therefore claim to be upset about it still today, should certainly understand the reasons for the Palestinians to be upset about being thrown out of the area just some decades ago (1948). Some of these people are still alive and can see their childhood homes and lands occupied by others.

Fair?

Z

[heliochrome85]

(FWIW, First, I doubt this UN incident happened. But that is is irrelevant anyway.)

Second (and I have had this discussion with others before), for Israelites to claim that they were thrown out of an area 2000+ years ago and therefore claim to be upset about it still today, should certainly understand the reasons for the Palestinians to be upset about being thrown out of the area just some decades ago (1948). Some of these people are still alive and can see their childhood homes and lands occupied by others.

Fair?

Z

sounds to me like you are anti-semetic. typical.

[heliochrome85]

lol.

[datsun2401972]

Love that joke Telcoman...

Z: Life is supposed to be fair? When did that happen?

[szh]

Z: Life is supposed to be fair? When did that happen?

Good point! I forgot that.

Yet, when it is many people and lives and livelihoods, etc., one hopes that we could all be more humane and rational about it.

But, nope! Man's inhumanity to Man never fails to amaze me, no matter how often I see it.

Sad state of affairs in the Mid-East ...

Z

[datsun2401972]

That's because you're civilized...the rest of the world might catch up one day....

[bobotech]

I keep reading this thread as:Tara Lipinski: "We must give up land for peace."

I keep wondering to myself what the eff do I care what a famous ice skater thinks about Israel and palestine.

LOL

[audtatious]

We must force Israel to leave. We don't care where, their problem.