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France24.com wrote:http://www.france24.com/en/200...logue-

Obama urges Turkey and Armenia to 'move forward' with dialogue

US President Barack Obama said on Monday he wanted Turkey and Armenia to make amends, adding he would not interfere with the matter over whether the Armenian massacre a century ago was a "genocide." React (11) Print save AFP - US President Barack Obama Monday called on Turkey and Armenia to "move forward" in fence-mending talks and signalled he would not interfere in their dispute over whether the massacre of Armenians a century ago was "genocide". Obama said he had not changed his view that the killings of hundreds of thousands of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire amounted to genocide but insisted that reconciliation between the two neighbours was more important. "I want to focus not on my views right now, but on the views of the Turkish and Armenian people. If they can move forward... the entire world should encourage them," Obama, on a two-day visit to Turkey, said. The negotiation process between Turkey and Armenia "could bear fruit very quickly," he said, speaking at a joint press conference with Turkish counterpart Abdullah Gul. "I'm not interested in the United States in any way tilting these negotiations one way or another while (the two countries) are having useful negotiations," he added. During his election campaign, Obama had pledged to his Armenian-American supporters to recognise the World War I killings as genocide. Ankara has warned Washington that such a move could hit bilateral ties and derail reconcilitaion efforts with Armenia. Washington has traditionally condemned the massacres, but refrained from dubbing them a "genocide", wary of straining relations with Turkey, a NATO member and a key ally in the Middle East. Turkey has refused to establish diplomatic ties with Armenia because of its campaign to have the killings recognised as genocide. In 1993, it shut its border with Armenia in a show of solidarity with close ally Azerbaijan, then at war with Armenia over the Nagorny-Karabakh enclave, dealing a heavy blow to the impoverished nation. In an address to the Turkish parliament later Monday, Obama said Washington "strongly supports the full normalisation" of ties between Turkey and Armenia, including the opening of their border. "An open border would return the Turkish and Armenian people to a peaceful and prosperous coexistence that would serve both of your nations," he said. Armenians say up to 1.5 million of their kin were killed between 1915 and 1917 as the Ottoman Empire fell apart, a claim backed by several other countries. Turkey rejects the genocide label and argues that 300,000-500,000 Armenians and at least as many Turks died in civil strife when Armenians took up arms for independence in eastern Anatolia and sided with invading Russian troops. The dispute is among the issues that Ankara and Yereven had been discussing since reconciliation efforts gathered steam in September when Gul paid a landmark visit to Armenia.
While I welcome President Obama and praise him for calling the Armenian Genocide for what it is GENOCIDE. It is hard to 'mend fences' with a government when it adamantly refuses to admit they did anything wrong and goes as far as to throw people in jail for ‘Insulting Turkish National Pride’ when referring to the Armenian Genocide as ‘Genocide.’ Could you imagine the Federal State of Germany throwing people in jail for calling the Holocaust genocide? Yet this is what the Modern Turkish Republic does today some 94 years later, not to mention the atrocities against the Greeks, Cypriots and Syriac people.

I am surprised that there were not calls from within Turkey to throw President Obama in jail for ‘insulting Turkish National Pride.” Don’t think that Article 301 hasn’t been used against Turkish and non Turkish nationals, because it has in recent years. The only thing that keeps Turkey from going over the edge is their potential admission into the EU.



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Bernd Posselt, MEP wrote:It is a meddling in the internal affairs of Europe. The EU is not Obama's plaything. ... He should accept Turkey as America's 51st state instead.
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An interesting article.
Der Spiegel wrote:http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 68,00.html

Obama Bashing in Bavaria and ParisUS President Barack Obama says Turkey's future is in the European Union. Not everyone agrees. Numerous politicians in Germany have gone on the attack, and even French President Sarkozy is unimpressed. Turkey's role at the NATO summit has soured the mood.

During his stay in Europe, everybody seemed eager to be President Barack Obama's friend. Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi threw his arm around the US leader. French President Nicolas Sarkozy seemed to be on Obama's heels wherever he went during the G-20 meeting in London, the NATO summit in Strasbourg and the EU get-together in Prague. Even Russian President Dmitry Medvedev seemed to be enjoying his proximity to the American superstar.

Now that Obama is in Turkey, however, some political camps -- particularly in Germany -- have discovered the political efficacy of Obama bashing. While in Ankara, Obama reiterated his support for Turkish membership in the European Union, a position he first voiced on Sunday in Prague. That doesn't sit well with some.

"Turkey is bound to Europe by more than bridges over the Bosporus," Obama told the Turkish parliament on Monday. "Centuries of shared history, culture and commerce bring you together. And Turkish membership would broaden and strengthen Europe's foundation once more."

It is a sentiment not universally shared in Europe. On Monday, a number of politicians, particularly in Germany, went on the offensive. "It is a meddling in the internal affairs of Europe," Bernd Posselt, a member of the European Parliament from Bavarian's conservative Christian Social Union (CSU), blustered in an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE. "The EU is not Obama's plaything. ... He should accept Turkey as America's 51st state instead," he continued.

Markus Ferber, the CSU's lead candidate in European Parliament elections set for early June, echoed his party colleague. "There is no question that the US has a voice in NATO. But when it comes to membership in its own club, the EU decides by itself," he said. "We don't need any tutoring from abroad."

Party head Horst Seehofer said that Europe's "internal harmony" is dependent on "common cultural and spiritual roots." He went on to say that "Turkey, as self-proclaimed representative of the Muslim world, clearly doesn't fit in."

The reason for the intensity of the reaction from Bavaria is not difficult to pinpoint. The CSU has had a rough year and Seehofer, who only took over the party's reins last October, needs an electoral success ahead of general elections this autumn. June European elections seem the perfect opportunity, but currently, there is a real danger that his party could fail to clear the 5 percent hurdle necessary for representation in the European Parliament -- a debacle to be avoided at all costs. Obama's demand merely provides a convenient opportunity to produce headlines.

But the vexation at Obama's support for Turkish membership is real, particularly following Turkey's truculence at the NATO summit in Strasbourg. There, Ankara almost torpedoed attempts to name Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen as the next secretary general of the alliance because of the Muhammad caricatures published in a Danish newspaper in 2005. Turkey could only be budged from its position following concessions offered by Obama and European leaders during last-minute telephone diplomacy.

Indeed, Sarkozy was quick to reject Obama's support for Turkish EU membership. Speaking after the US president said in Prague on Sunday that membership for Turkey would "ensure we continue to anchor Turkey firmly in Europe," Sarkozy said: "I have been working hand in hand with President Obama, but when it comes to the European Union it is up to member states … to decide."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, whose own conservative Christian Democratic Union is likewise skeptical of Turkish membership -- preferring a "privileged partnership" for the country -- spoke of "differing opinions" when it came to Turkey's EU ambitions.

The Wall Street Journal quoted an unnamed diplomat familiar with the NATO back-and-forth as saying "more and more EU countries have doubts about Turkish accession. The mood at the table was grumpy."

Adding to the concern were media reports indicating that, in return for Turkey's support for Rasmussen, Ankara was promised that two sections of EU accession negotiations that had previously been frozen would be reopened. European Commissioner for Enlargement Olli Rehn has denied the reports, telling the Financial Times Deutschland that there is "no connection" between the NATO summit and Turkey EU accession talks.

Still, the CSU isn't buying it. "Rehn is a fanatic supporter of Turkish EU accession," Posselt told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "We as a parliament have to look into whether unfair business was made at the NATO summit."

The US has long been a supporter of Turkish membership in the EU. Obama's predecessor George W. Bush likewise encouraged the accession of the predominantly Muslim country.

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So the synopsis, economic prosperity is more important than truth?

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Well, it use to be during the Cold War and previously during the Global War on Terrorism, that not insulting Turkey for its Strategic location and value was more important than truth.

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Nice find on the Der Speigel article!

Rockstar P-BO needs to cut short his world tour as its based on his hit single titled "Change" and get back in the studio (the US) and make a real album (do his damned job). Maybe P-BO would like some advice from the EU on how to handle the escalating drug tensions on the US-Mexico border, or China could assist the FDA on better food safety protocols given the repeated salmonella nut contaminations. What a dilletante.

I understand about the potential of wanting Turkey "in the EU fold" to prevent possible the spectre of Anti-American Islamo-Fascism from rearing its head, but he really needs to take of matter at home.

Did he learn about his new gig reading Cliff notes? And did they cover the jobs of ambassadors & Secretary of State? We already know that he didn't know going in what the Joint Chiefs role was.
Obama on July 14th 2008 wrote:I'm going to call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and give them a new mission, and that is to bring the war in Iraq to a close. We are going to get out.
What the Joint Chiefs do

Maybe he thinks the minority whip dresses like a lion tamer too.


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