turbo pics

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

here are four turbos that i thought people may want to see in internet-flesh

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

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garrett gt37.....incon bb37....hks gt3037s.......GTiR t28

Post by **Nils** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

cool, thx =)

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Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

turbine sides....notice the difference in wheel size. the hks wheel is actually a hks only design i believe. but still very similar to the other wheels (all are gt wheels except the t28) shaun

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

a better compressor pic...

also notice the difference in wheel size here. the t28 wheel is actually slightly bigger then that on a s14 bb t28. it flows 33lbs/min, s14 flows 31lbs/minthat gt37 is just massive. we all know what the gt3037s will do. if only the gt37 was bb. the incon bb37 is one of my favorite turbos. its bolt on and should make similar power to the hks 3037. allthought that is a 3037s and i think the wheels are slightly larger on the s.shaun

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Good work, is the icon bolt on and where can I find more info on it.

Website · Post by **CarloSR** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Good info, keep´em coming.

Post by **nissanrcer240** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

ooo i like that big one:eek:

Post by **sil80drifter** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

so size does matter...

sil80

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Tai Mai Shu wrote:Good work, is the icon bolt on and where can I find more info on it.

the incon will bolt onto manifold and downpipe. the hot pipe and intake will need a little work though. i really don't have any hard specs on it. i know its a to4 compressor housing, similar to the t28. but obviously the wheel is much bigger. its a roller bearing. i heard the spool up is quite fast. i think it would be a good turbo for a street setup or drift. not a balls to walls power turbo. (maybe around 400hp max)shaun

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Pampadori - You just described exactly what i am looking for

Post by **chrispy** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

hmm that icon is pretty nice , any price estimates on that?

Post by **Reklaw** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

I searched this forum on the Incon and it seems like it's not all that well known. However, Daunt had some things to say about it. Also, ITR_KILLR has one, so maybe he could give us some details around it? Like you said Cyberkreig, it does sound very nice.

Anyone know if they have a website? My search has been very frustrating.

Post by **bp2ooo** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Havn't been able to find a website. It seems like everything i have read about the turbo though has been really good though. I am very interested, since it bolts onto stock manifold. Looks really nice. I have found a phone number. Incon Systems....(407)831-6040, and apparantly there old website was http://www.asponturbo.com/, but it is no longer up. there new website is going to be http://www.inconturbo.com but hasn't been created yet.

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

LOL, so baslicy we have no info on this turbo, i searched the fourms and couldnt find anything, I then went on google and came up with nothing also.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Perfect. We now know that there is a bolt on replacement turbo that would put is in the 400hp range and spool early for that Wide-Powerband ( I ) many of us want. But we dont know who can get them, what the cost, nothing. Useful.

Post by **chrispy** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

i will search around in a few, btw cyberkreig how far away from lake meade are you?

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

http://www.jgycustoms.com/bb37.htm

you can buy them at our site. but they are hard to get.shaun

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

found some specs...compressor:52 trim wheel with 55mm inducer, 76mm exducer. rated at 45lbs/min in a .6 a/r housing

turbine:90 trim with 53.5 inducer and 56.5 exducer. housing is .86 a/r.

shaun

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

what the hell happened here?????

Post by **kbrunjes** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

ahh, he always looks like that.

J/K i don't even know the guy, and have never met him

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Wow thats more than a GT25R!!!holy crap....

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Chrispy - No idea, never heard of it. I am over in york county, about 40 miles from harrisburg.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

pampadori - price is higher than i planned to pay for an upgraded turbo. But not at all out of line witha turbo that meets all of my mental checks. gimme a few more months to buildup the savings account...

Post by **Reklaw** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Well, I'm on page 28 of Maximum Boost, so I'm not sure what all that means just yet. I will shortly though

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

REKLAW,the trims are actually a number figured out by the other two numbers...inducer and exducer. inducer=a and exducer=b(a x a)/(b x b)= trim. in this turbos case, 52 and 90. the trim will tell you the slope of the wheel. big trims flow more. smaller trims are more suited for lower rpm.

45 lbs/min is the amount of air that can be pumped thru the compressor wheel. as a general rule, take 90% of the lbs/min and then move the decimal pt one spot to the right to figure the power the wheel can make....ie 45 X .9= 40.5....or around 405hp. this is MY method. it's not a standard or anything, but i find it to be close to true.

ar is kind of like the hole at the end of the snail just before the exhaust hits the turbine wheel. the smaller the hole, the faster the air comes out of the snail and hits the wheel. spins it faster with the same amount of exhaust gas... but you can only push so much thru a tiny hole...so the bigger a/r ultimatley has more potential/lag.

there is also a way to measure how much flow the turbine housing will flow....i don't much about this precedure though....but the incon wheel is 19 units and the wastegate hole is 17 units.....????anyone have any info on this measurement? (i don't even know what units they use)shaun

Post by **Reklaw** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

Great explanation, thanks Shaun! That would be 405 at the crank (bhp) correct? So basically, 330rwhp or so. That's a lot of muscle in such a small car. Maybe a little more than I'll ever need, but I'm sure it would be a lot of fun to drive.

What kind of boost are we talking to reach those numbers (405hp). I'm sure it varies by application, but assuming the normal setup to handle such power.

Also, at what rpm are we looking at before it starts to boost? You talked about ar, but I wasn't sure if it was the compressor ar or turbine ar that determined potential/lag. At .86 for the turbine I would think that it would be fairly good. Maybe around 3000???? On the other hand, if it's the compressor at .6, well that seems pretty low, but I could be wrong.

You see, this is what happens when someone is reading a book, but hasn't finished it yet. They become dangerous...or just a pain in the a$$ depending on how you look at it

Post by **pampadori** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:08 pm

i actually think it could do more then 330rwhp. i would put it up around 400. the boost to reach this is really hard to answer. 18psi with good tuning, or 25psi with little tuning.also, i don't agree that a car losses 15-20% thru the drivetrain. do you think that the driveshaft and transmission in a top fuel car can zap away 1400hp? thats a lot. a/r is really only important on the turbine side. on the compressor side it won't really contribute to lag, just choke and surge lines. expect full boost by 3800-4000rpm in taller gears.

btw, i don't know everything about turbos...just enough to be dangerous. lolshaun

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