turbo kit on ka24de or engine swap ?

[xerius]

Hello .. i am LUK ... i was thinking to go KA-t .. or to make engine swap.

shall i make the ka Turbo ? the only thing who stop me to do that is the shipping costs... to get things here from US it's getting expencive...

or swap engine (sr20det . rb20det , rb25det ) ...

i am limited at money .. don t have too much money to invest in a fast car.. but i want one. what you sugest to do ?

Modified by xerius at 9:32 PM 2/22/2009
Modified by xerius at 9:53 PM 3/25/2009

[tvmendoza]

how hard is to get the other engines? do you already have a 240sx with a ka?

[sr20deTsomeday118]

uh oh, your new better put on the flame suit...start off by posting pics of your car, and mileage...you cannot build a "fast car" with an empty wallet...it is costly, to say the least. next figure out what u want to do with the car and set some goals..and search..please search, otherwise you will be a romanian version of naladude

[simmode1]

I remembr this guy... He's got a euro s14 zenki with a KA in it...

Usually, I'd say go KA-T, but I would assume that it would be far easier and cheaper to get an SR in your car if you live in Europe, where they were standard. In this case, I'd swap.

[turbonola]

your car should come with an sr already. i though the us was the only ones that didn't get the sr.

[xerius]

Yes.. the car came with sr on it.. but ex ower had change it... i prefer to go KA-T. About engine swap.. here in europe a complet swap cost like 2000 - 2300 euro's ( near 3k $us )

I prefer to go KA-t because i don t hink people from this part of europe have such engines... but also i don t want to rebuild it every 4 months.

[480sx]

Like bizzaro world or something..

I wouldnt start a turbo project with less than 3k US.

Ka-T can be a hugeee pita.. SR swaps are damn easy. Your call really, since its already got a Ka in it it would be a huge waste to not use it. You dont want a RB swap if you dont have money.

[xerius]

well i got like 2-3k to spend on engine...

[480sx]

Do a compression test on your motor and see how healthy it is. Also how many miles on it?

[xerius]

Do a compression test on your motor and see how healthy it is. Also how many miles on it?

my compression is 10.5 ... it is recomanded to install turbo kit on it ?

[nzmoman]

I think there is more than compression to look at. It could loose compression tomorrow, though not likely. Seals, gaskets, condition of the head?

What are you building the car for? is it going to be a drag car, drift, autox? or is it going to be a daily fun car. What kind of numbers to you want to make. Do you have enough support for a KA project in your country. Can you get everything you need there easy enough to justify the extra cost? you have to keep all of these things in mind.

[KATizzle]

Here how you perform a compression test, it's not the compression of your piston.http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=159838

[sunnys14]

These type of threads make me wanna shake my head and not come on NICO anymore.

Please make up your own mind and read the ups and downs of doing a turbo KA or engine swap.

If you wanted me to decide for you, just sell your car and get a CIVIC.

[xerius]

engine was just rebuilded ... and had that compression after rebuild.. and untill now the head was resurfaced twice. Thanks for link KATizzle .. i will that step by stem there...

@nzmoman .. i must order all parts from states... we got some good tunners .. but they dont have much experience on ka24de(T) engines. I have the only ka from this country.

@ sunnys14... i asked to get some verbal enshurance.. no need to spend like 5k on engine and to make crapy runs or to blow up after 2 months.... if you want to smash your head .. go fast .. post if you have a sugestion or don't disturb yourself.

It is easy to Build / make a KA-T in states.. just check shipping costs to UK and yo will understand.. Just to let you know how some prices.... Ka24de empty head - 500usd. turbine .. 400usd ... radiator.. 700usd ... you want more ?? Think twice dude before you are making SUCH POSTS. And about the civic.. i don t know you.. you don t know me... but MAYBE i drive fast cars before you dream to have a "nfs" or "fast and Furious" car. Thanks.

Modified by xerius at 3:08 PM 11/12/2008
Modified by xerius at 9:53 PM 3/25/2009

[kouki_hmongster]

You know that since you posted on the ka-t section the answer is going to be bias. The first part is to set your goal and plan everything out ahead since you're on a budget. i didnt do that and expected to spend max $2k on my set-up, but ended up spending over $3K+.

Ka-t have a lot of torque and you'll be happy but you need ecu tune like enthalpy or JWT to be reliable, maybe even full standalone. after knowing you have the good tunes then you wouldnt have to worry about blowing motor and rebuilding. But it also depend on the way you drive, i have friends that blew their sr20 motors before.

just remember to do it right the first time and dont cheap out on tune. Nico is one of the best place whenever you need advice. just remember to use SEARCH. GL

[KATizzle]

Also, if you want anymore info on the Ka Go to Ka-t.org, its a whole website based on the turbo Ka. Just for some more info.

[xrproto07]

Both have amazing potential, in my opinion there's too many sr's out there so KA-T ftw

[xerius]

Just checked the compression again.. at piston i have 10.5

[480sx]

If your car really has 10.5:1 compression thats really high. Can you guys get E85 out there? Whats the highest octane you can get from the pump?

[xerius]

at pump the gas is 95... 98 / 99 and 100 octane. I wont find lower then 95...

maybe a cometic head gaske will help to get lower compression ?

[480sx]

The fact that your octane rating is so high is awesome. That will let you get away with running a higher CR and higher boost/timing. Still, 10.5:1 is really high for a boosted motor and you should try to lower it.

You should use a thicker cometic.

If you want to do it right, you should follow the procedure for using one. There is a special way a machine shop surfaces both your block and your head to use a MLS gasket, ask for it. If they dont know, dont take your car to them.

However i had success using the uncoated Cometics and copper gasket spray on cleaned surfaces. 3 light coats of copper spray and your good. Not really recommending this, but if you want to do it the right way you would have to pull your motor out and apart. If you get the Viton coated one, you HAVE to get the block/head specially surfaced.

[xerius]

how much i must have the compression to go relaxed to 300whp ?

Can i let stock internals ... 100% stock (pistons and everything else )and only add a turbo to this engine ? If yes what setup shall i use for stock internals ?

It is hard because i can t work too much on the head.. can t polish the intake/ exhaust ... also 3 angle valve job... i can t do it....

[240sxvaj]

do alot of researching my friend.

this has been covered so many times, everytime i get on this forum its like im reading the samething over and over again.yea its gonna get bored soon.

[MTC]

Hey I like the way that your thinking! Be different be original! I dont want to do the sr swap either. Im doing the KaDET too! Im balancing my crank and using eagle connecting rods and crower pistons double titanium valve springs. Thats just to kind of give you an idea. Dont listen to the haters who are so sr sold out. Being original means you dont follow what everyone else thinks and thats great.

[xerius]

Thanks MTC.. well i decided to boost the ka.. even it will cost much ore then sr swap i will do it. I started to save money to get best of the best. i want to get huge torque and nice look. I was thinking to do this :

balanced crank with tinatiun pistons / valveshead with porting intake/ exhaust - stage 3custom intake770 injectors / z32 mafas ecu - microtech

[GTR PrYdE]

If you don't have much money, then wait until you do so you can do it right

Being slow sucks but halfassing a turbo setup or ****ty swap isn't any better

[Rekless KA]

just by the fact that your in the kA24DE/DET forum page of course you will get more people saying KA...

which i agree to a point

KA's are amazing, last through sooo much on stock potential, your motor sounds like its pretty healthy, 9:5-1 compression is stock i believe, if you have more with a decent anount of miles on it say 110,000y ou could run some engine cleaner/synthetic oil/ATF(for ten minutes tops at idle if strait ATF not mixing with oil, or 3 quarts oil 1 quart ATF) that could possibly clean some gunk up and out making compression lower.

swaps are simple for the most part IF you want a swap and leave it and not touch it and be happy afterwards, if you wanna modify swap SR is cheaper to get parts for than KA and every other decent swap, but i have put just SR injectors and SR turbo on my KA and raced a SR swapped carand beat it same amount of boost and everything.

i dont have much more off the top of my head for info cuz its really late, time for bed!

[Chris28]

Zombie thread.

[RUHNAy]

WHY WOULD YOU HAVETO DO A REBUILD EVERY 4 MONTHS? I MEAN I KNOW IM A NEWB BUT THAT SOUNDS A LIL RAW TO ME??

[tctomasc]

are you fools sure hes not talkin bout 10.5 BAR of compression. That'd be around 150psi.... lol