turbo for rogue?

[albertwang16]

is it possible to have a turbo put inside the rogue in the future? is there anything you can do to increase some horse power?

[rogueagent08]

recently getting out of the tuner market, i can say with complete confidence that there will be no aftermarket support for performance parts on the Rogue. I have a '00 Focus and it shares platform and motor with the Escape and the Escape had no support. This will no doubt be the sad fate of the aftermarket for the Rogue even though it shares platforms with the tuner friendly Sentra SE-R Spec V.

[EddNog]

is it possible to have a turbo put inside the rogue in the future? is there anything you can do to increase some horse power?

Turbocharger kits will be limited in how much they will yield because the Xtronic is designed to handle only a certain amount of torque. Any significant boost in power on a Rogue will require modifications to the transmission to deal with it. That definitely adds development time to potential power packages.

-Ed

[Rogue Man]

I'd love to see an SE-R Rogue with 230HP or a SpecV or Nismo edition and AWD! i wonder if there will be another SE-R Altima too.

[Eikon]

mmm Turbos!!!

Now you're speaking my language.

Sure you can put a Turbo on a Rogue! You won't find any companies that will likely release a kit that is mass produced.

I'd start researching the Sentra SE-R turbo options as they share the same engine.. hence the exhaust manifolds that are specifically built for that engine wil not have to be custom made.

It won't be cheap, and it won't be common.. but people will do it!

I don't think the transmission will give any problems for a mild turbo kit. Say you bump hp from 175 to 225ish.. That would make the Rogue a real kick to drive.. and that trans is the same as the 265hp V6 Maxima/Murano, etc..

Who's gonna build the first Turbo Rogue?????

[rogueish]

Not sure if it would work but, I have seen an electric turbo that you put inline of the air intake going to the manifold. Can't recall where i saw it but I know it's out there.

[amr40509]

I would more expect to see a 3.5L V6 come out in a couple of years when people get tired of the little 4 banger.

[websfear]

I would more expect to see a 3.5L V6 come out in a couple of years when people get tired of the little 4 banger.

Not when gas gets to $5 or $6 a gallon.

[amr40509]

I wouldn't expect to see much loss of MPG w/ more power. Basically a small motor working hard is going to burn just as much as a bigger motor not having to work hard. Now if you keep your foot into it all the time, more power will burn more gas.

My 4X4 Pathfinder has 100 more horse power then my wife's Rogue (4.0L V6 rated in 2006 at 270bhp). On the highway I get about 22mpg. She gets about 23-24 on the same stretch of road in her AWD Rogue at the same speeds. She does kill me around town though, but I would say this is due to the extra weight of my truck, not the power level.

[ron-svmale]

My 4X4 Pathfinder has 100 more horse power then my wife's Rogue (4.0L V6 rated in 2006 at 270bhp). On the highway I get about 22mpg. She gets about 23-24 on the same stretch of road in her AWD Rogue at the same speeds. She does kill me around town though, but I would say this is due to the extra weight of my truck, not the power level. [/QUOTE]

amr40509:

FYI - The actual MPG is deceiving (not accurate) because the 2008 EPA estimates are slightly lower than prior years (when comparing earlier year vehicles). Thus, a 2008 Rogue is actually 3-4 MPG higher than if it would have been built in 2007. Unless your Pathfinder is a 2008 model, you are actually getting a lot less MPG than your wife's Rogue.

From the EPA website: Beginning with 2008 models, all fuel economy estimates based on new test methods, which EPA finalized in December 2006. The new methods better account for actual driving conditions that can lower fuel economy, such as high speed, aggressive driving, use of air conditioning, and cold temperature operation. The new estimates will give drivers a more accurate estimate of the fuel economy they are likely to achieve on the road. Because of the new methods, the estimates for most 2008 models will be lower than their 2007 counterparts. To aid consumers shopping for new cars, EPA has also redesigned the fuel economy window sticker posted on all new cars and light trucks to be easier to read and understand.

[drunkNun]

I wouldn't expect to see much loss of MPG w/ more power. Basically a small motor working hard is going to burn just as much as a bigger motor not having to work hard. Now if you keep your foot into it all the time, more power will burn more gas.

My 4X4 Pathfinder has 100 more horse power then my wife's Rogue (4.0L V6 rated in 2006 at 270bhp). On the highway I get about 22mpg. She gets about 23-24 on the same stretch of road in her AWD Rogue at the same speeds. She does kill me around town though, but I would say this is due to the extra weight of my truck, not the power level.

This has to be one of the most ignorat post i've read on here so far. Just because a four cylinder has less cylinders than a 6 cylinder doesn't mean it works any harder for the power it produces.

[philipa_240sx]

I doubt Nissan will give the Rogue a V-6. Partly for packaging reasons as the Rogue/Sentra chassis was never designed for a V-6.

A turbo 4cyl might be a possibilty, but not for HP reasons. A small displacement direct injection gasoline turbo motor or a turbo diesel (The Qashqai in the UK had a diesel option) could be used to help with fuel economy. European cars have had ths technology for years and we're starting to see it here. Remember Ford's Ecobosst announcement? Nothing more than a direct injection turbo gasoline motor. Mazda is already producing these engines (Mazdaspeed 3 & 6, CX-7) for North America. I think the fuel economy claims are overstated though. Theses engines were geared for HP and when on boost they are very thirsty.

[EddNog]

mmm Turbos!!!

Now you're speaking my language.

Sure you can put a Turbo on a Rogue! You won't find any companies that will likely release a kit that is mass produced.

I'd start researching the Sentra SE-R turbo options as they share the same engine.. hence the exhaust manifolds that are specifically built for that engine wil not have to be custom made.

It won't be cheap, and it won't be common.. but people will do it!

I don't think the transmission will give any problems for a mild turbo kit. Say you bump hp from 175 to 225ish.. That would make the Rogue a real kick to drive.. and that trans is the same as the 265hp V6 Maxima/Murano, etc..

Who's gonna build the first Turbo Rogue?????

You'd have to swap for the unit that comes on the Murano or Maxima; it is a larger, beefier model than the unit in the Sentra/Rogue (both models can be seen on the JATCO web site). I do not know if the Altima uses the same unit for both engines or if it uses the beefier unit only for 3.5SE models and then the smaller unit for 2.5 models. If the Altima uses just the larger Xtronic, then there may be an easy way to adapt the larger Xtronic to the Rogue's engine.

-Ed

EDIT: Here, see this page; the JF010E is used for Murano, Maxima and Altima (Teana), whereas the JF011E is what's used for Rogue (Dualis, X-Trail).
Modified by EddNog at 9:30 AM 4/13/2008

[nismopc]

EDIT: Here, see this page; the JF010E is used for Murano, Maxima and Altima (Teana), whereas the JF011E is what's used for Rogue (Dualis, X-Trail).Modified by EddNog at 9:30 AM 4/13/2008

Thread from the dead. If the X-Trail uses the same trans, then there might be no issues with a turbo'd 2.5l Rogue. The X-Trail came with a SR20VET pumping out 280HP. If the X-Trail can handle that power, so can a Rogue. But the X-Trail did get redesigned in '08 and is running different engines, the MR20DE and QR25DE, so who knows... ????

[kerrton]

Remember that one of the main selling features of the Rogue is it's fuel efficiency, that is the target market that it's geared towards so even if it were technically possible I'd never expect a V6 version, because then it would just blend in with all the other CUV/SUV crap out there. It's the engine/CVT combo that makes the Rogue unique I think. The turbo 4-cylinder like Philip mentioned would be possible because I think it was stated that this already exists in Europe, but hopefully it would be better than the Mazda CX-7 turbo engine, which produces around the 225 hp makr but returns really poor gas mileage, which seems kind of pointless because if I'm going to get bad mileage I would rather simplify things and go with a V6, forget the turbo.

[philipa_240sx]

Thread from the dead. If the X-Trail uses the same trans, then there might be no issues with a turbo'd 2.5l Rogue. The X-Trail came with a SR20VET pumping out 280HP. If the X-Trail can handle that power, so can a Rogue. But the X-Trail did get redesigned in '08 and is running different engines, the MR20DE and QR25DE, so who knows... ????

The only X-Trail that came with the SR20VET is the 1st gen model from '00-06. This is a completely different platform than the Rogue. The SR20 was discontinued in favor of the MR and QR motors once the new X-Trail came out.

The problem with any motor swap is there are so many interconnected systems and electronics nowadays it would nearly impossible. The engine ECU, trans ECU, ABS, VDC, AWD computer, etc all talk to each other... it's more than just a motor and trans.

The simplest way is to just lightly boost (5-7psi) the stock motor and cross your fingers it doesn't break!

[EddNog]

The only X-Trail that came with the SR20VET is the 1st gen model from '00-06. This is a completely different platform than the Rogue. The SR20 was discontinued in favor of the MR and QR motors once the new X-Trail came out.

The problem with any motor swap is there are so many interconnected systems and electronics nowadays it would nearly impossible. The engine ECU, trans ECU, ABS, VDC, AWD computer, etc all talk to each other... it's more than just a motor and trans.

The simplest way is to just lightly boost (5-7psi) the stock motor and cross your fingers it doesn't break!

Considering that, would a supercharger be a better idea?

-Ed

[Nick 568]

Okay, bringing up an old thread...

I've been really curious as to this too, and I've done some digging around online as to what the JF011E CVT transmission that's in our Rogues can handle.
Jatco, the manufacturer of the transmission is very vague on specifics.
Jatco just lists that a 2.5L engine is the largest that this CVT can handle.
The JF011E is used in some Chrylser/Dodge vehicles as well, and a brother of it is used in some Mitsubishi vehicles.
The differences between the three companies I've gathered is:
-Nissan possibly uses one with a bit beefier internals (go us!)
-Chrysler I believe uses the bare JF011E from Jatco, no modifications
-Mitsubishi uses a compact, more lightweight version.

However, they all have that infamous "2.5L engine" max limit.
I came across a post on a Dodge forum stating that their JF011E can handle 184 lb-ft of torque reliably.
I also came across a few references on other Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep forums for an article stating that 197 lb-ft of torque would be enough to rip up the CVT internals.
Now, since the Nissan JF011E is a bit more robust, you could probably assume it could handle up to 190, maybe 200 lb-ft of torque reliably.

Now, I'm certainly no expert on performance modifications, but it seems the most you could do would be a very slight boost with the boost turned down to like 2 or 3 psi or so? Therefore, making that about $4000 of work on your Rogue pretty pointless. (Now, if you swapped in a 5-speed and got a shop to do the conversion for you, not as pointless, but putting an additional $8k into your Rogue? REALLY better off selling it and using the additional $8k on something else.)

So in conclusion, facts about the Nissan Rogue JF011E CVT transmission:

-Rated to handle up to a 2.5L NA engine reliably
-Up to probably 190 lb-ft of toque, MAYBE 200 lb-ft

So, for performance mods with the Rogue with the CVT, you're better off doing everything but forced induction.
I mean, with a CAI, cams, exhaust, and maybe one or two other little things, you're at the limit of which the CVT can handle.

[philipa_240sx]

One of our moderators adidas2go put a turbo on his Altima 3.5 coupe with CVT. The first CVT did not last and succumbed to 'heat related issues'. The 2nd time around, they added a better transmission cooler and it seemed to hold up. But the Altima 3.5 uses the much larger Jatco JF010E. I think the smaller CVT in the Rogue would be hard pressed to cope with boost.

Personally, I find the QR25DE used in the Rogue a good match for the vehicle. It has decent power and fuel economy (At least when not driven on short trips in the city).

[mydoghoser]

Gotta be kidding, right? I mean, this was just for fun to see how long the thread would last. There will never be a turbo mod for the Rogue, let alone a cold air intake, or high flow exhaust, or chip or.....well, there will ALWAYS be the "Turbonator". Having had a number of AWD/4WD vehicles with moderate to radical performance mod's, I was pleasantly surprised by the stock performance. And after my recent travels through snow storms, ice, rain, mud, crap, whatever, I have to say there is no reason for me to seek any performance mod's. My '09 S AWD sailed through some of the nastiest weather/road conditions without a hitch. When I first bought the Rogue I thought an increase in HP was warranted. I even fabricated a custom CAI that fits perfectly but I never installed it. Just didn't need it. I designed a better exhaust path, but never fab'd it. Just didn't need it. The Rogue might seem anemic at first, but it actually has plenty of pep and is a rock solid AWD platform in most types of nasty weather. This opinion comes from a guy that had a blinding fast street sleeper Subaru Forester (10.6sec, full APS, not even sort of street legal). That was then, this is now. If you want a tuner, buy a tuner, and then pay the $20-40K to make it stand out. Just my attempt at a humble but extremely experienced opinion.

[Nick 568]

Oh I totally agree with you. I just decided to look more seriously into it because I would have a nice excess of cash coming my way this summer, so I figured, "Well...if I have the money to do something stupid..." :-P

But yeah, the Rogue is by no means slow for what it is. It's about the fastest vehicle in its class. Also, many forum members would be unpleasantly shocked as to what passes for "quick" in Europe. The Rogue would blow the doors off just about every CUV in Europe, and a lot of the smaller sedans there too.

But of course, men will be men. And in the infamous words of Tim The Toolman Taylor, ARRR ARRR ARRR!

[mydoghoser]

I definitely understand. I've been a gear-head all my life - the quest for maximum output seems to be kind of a genetic flaw for me. We've had so many cars I'd be hard pressed to remember them all but I've always been compelled to tinker with them. I'm probably the only dipstick on the planet that built a custom CAI for a Kia minivan! I maybe gained 5 extra hp and a bit more punch in acceleration, but the thrill was in the chase for sure. And like I said, I had plenty of mod's planned for the Rogue and I'm glad I waited until I had a chance to put it through its paces under various road/off-road conditions. The engine/trans/AWD combination is apparently well thought out by Nissan engineers. My Rogue "walked" right through a deep, soupy mud pit during spring break and tracked stable in heavy snow and some icy conditions. The extra 25-30hp I was looking for from mod's would likely have put me in the ditch and certainly left me in the center of that monstrous mud pit. My oldest son is ready for his first car and I'm already very tempted to start him off in the Rogue, now that I have enough miles on it to trust its reliability.