Troubleshooting

[mikeh16]

I am wiring my CA, and I have all of my wires plugged in and I think it should be working now. However, when I turn the key, the fuel pump comes on, but the engine make no effort to turn over and there are no other noises either. Help

Thanks,Mike

[pulsar gtr]

If the engine isn't turning over, check for ground to the engine, 12V onto the starter, if these two power lines are good, then the only thing that can cause the engine not to turn is the 12v ignition selonid right on the starter, it is a small wire, this wire should hook up to the big thick bundle of wires beside the battery on the radiator side not the fender side.

Chances that this wire isn't plugged in on the starter side OR you miss wired it.

For a quick test, turn the ignition on, if the lights on your dash turn on, then take a jumper wire and hook it up directly from you +12v battery to the small wire on the starter, the engine willl turn and if every thing is ok, it should start, just remember, if it does start to remove the +12v jumper wire that you installed otherwise the starter will continue to be engaged.

PULSAR GTR

RafiPULSAR GTR

[float_6969]

Thanks Rafi, you make my job sooo much easier...

[WeldingHank]

make sure the ground is hooked up on the starter, i know a few of us have missed it when in the install pricess as its quite little and easy to over look.

[mikeh16]

Thanks a lot guys, I'm going to work on the car right now, hopefully I can get it running by this weekend. Also, how do I know which wire goes on to injectors 1 through 4? There are about six wires that fit onthe injectors just fine.

Thanks,Mike

[mikeh16]

Okay, update time. I tried to turn on the car by bridging the battery and the little wire on the starter. It started to turn over, but never started. I was using a realy small wire, probably 16 gauge, I don't know if that had an affect on anything. But still, the car will not turn over when I turn the ignition switch. It is definately plugged in but maybe I miswired it. Pulsar GTR, can you email or post up some wiring information for me? I just need to figure out how to get this engine to turn over. I think I can figure out the rest.

Thanks,Mike

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[pulsar gtr]

Hi Mikey,

Did you make sure when you jumped the starter that the ignition was on?

The only thing beside a wiring mistake or loose connection that can come to my mind is your clutch inhibit switch, you see, there is a switch on your clutch pedal that when you press the clutch pedal it will trigger a relay and this relay will connect directly to the starter small wire to get the car started. This is a safety feature that cars have so the car won't start by accident if for example, kids reached into the ignition key and turned it.

I will find out some diagrams and email you, but I would definitely look into the clutch pedal section.

PULSAR GTRRafi

[mikeh16]

Well, I highly doubt its a clutch problem because I drive an automatic. But, yes the ignition was turned on when I was testing it. I also made sure that all of my ground wires were grounded and my donnections were tight.

Thanks,Mike

[pulsar gtr]

Ok Mikey,

I have sent you an email with both the Ka starter wiring and the CA starter wiring and both are for automatic.

Here are what I would check for.

You have a fuse that supplies power from the battery to the ignition switch which will supply power to the starter when the ignition is in the starting position. Definitely check for this fuse.

If the fuse is good, get yourself a tester light or a volt meter.

There is a Black/yellow wire beside the battery where the the alternator/starter/and the transmission switches go. Find this blackYELLOW wire and check if you get 12Vs on it when your ignition is in the cranking position (you need two people to do that).If you have 12V, on the Black/yellow wire on E19 connector of the diagram I sent you, then you are in business, your problem is from that connector to the starter which is about 2feet long. I would check for the exact above procedure but on the other side of that connector which is E204 of the diagram I sent you (Ka diagram or the CA diagram, both are the same wiring).

If you are getting 12Vs on the E204 connector which is also located beside the battery beside the fuse box, I would trace the wire that goes from the E204 connector to the starter, you either get a broken wire or the plug that goes onto the starter is either corroted or not making connections due to a loose plug.

If every thing looks good, I would just E12 connector (inhibit switch) on the diagram that I sent you on (E19 diagram), it should have two wires on it, I would short them together and give it a try and see if it cranks, this switch is similar to a car that has a clutch instead of auto, also check if E12 connector is going to a switch on your transmission.

I wish I was close your area, I would have spend 5mins and found that problem, It might sounds a bit of work but in reality it is very quick checks and shouldn't take long to find the problem.

PULSAR GTR

Modified by pulsar gtr at 8:14 PM 12/16/2004
Modified by pulsar gtr at 8:22 PM 12/16/2004

[mikeh16]

Okay, so I havn't bee able to test the E204 connector yet because all of my friends are "busy", but I noticed today when I try to turn on the car, my ECU LEDs will turn on. Still, nothing will happen, but after I take the key out of the ignition, both the green and red LEDs will stay on until I open and close the door. I have no idea if this means anything of not, but im going to look now. I looked at the connector for the starter solonoid and the electric grease that Nissan puts on there looked like it might have been preventing a connection, so I cleaned it up a little and still nothing. Maybe I can just cut that connecto off and put another one on there to see if it helps any. I'll be working on it the next two days also, and I'll keep you updated.

Thanks,Mike

[pulsar gtr]

Your ecu lights should turn off when you turn the ignition off, actually they should only turn on on your second position of your ignition key. 1 position is off,2 position is for your stereo and some other accessories3 position is for your ecu (gives signal power to the ecu that you are about to start the car), that is when your dash lights come on.4 position is your cranking position.

Mikey, can you take some pictures of the wiring that you did and email them to me or post them here, so I can view them and get back to you on it.

Also, did you check the above procedure that I requested from you. Checking the fuse and different points of the starter wiring signal

Let me know, I got your email by the way.

RafiPULSAR GTR

[c-rad]

Wait is, the CA transmission an auto or did you do the 5spd conversion. If you did the conversion, did you make sure to unplug the module under the steering column???

[mikeh16]

No, its still an automatic.

[c-rad]

Oh ok....wasn't sure...you never know. Is there a possibilty that same module could be interfering with starting even though the CA is an auto?

[mikeh16]

I'm really not sure, I don't know that much about the complex inner-workings of the electrical system on the 240.

PS: WOOOOOOOOO 100 posts!!!

[float_6969]

Keep posting grasshopper. One day you'll have 4K like me. Only the majority of yours will probabally help/matter...

[mikeh16]

Heh, thanks. I have seen you post-whore quite a few times, but I commend all whores for their services because it brings life to NICO.

Thanks and good luck on the corner,Mike

[mikeh16]

Well, I was finally able to work on the car today. I found out that I had the E209 connector for the ignition plugged into the wrong connector, but still no dice. I cleaned the starter solenoid connector and put it back on, checked all of my fuses, and still no clue as to what is happening with my ignition problem. I am absolutly desperate for help on this one, guys! Is there anyone in my area (doubtful) that would be willing to come by and check it out for me? I can drop a few bucks for a quick visit. I really appreciate all the help I have already gotten, but if anyone has any other ideas that would be cool too. I"ll try to get ahold of a camera and post up some pics of my wiring soon.

Thanks,Mike

[boost_boy]

Well, I was finally able to work on the car today. I found out that I had the E209 connector for the ignition plugged into the wrong connector, but still no dice. I cleaned the starter solenoid connector and put it back on, checked all of my fuses, and still no clue as to what is happening with my ignition problem. I am absolutly desperate for help on this one, guys! Is there anyone in my area (doubtful) that would be willing to come by and check it out for me? I can drop a few bucks for a quick visit. I really appreciate all the help I have already gotten, but if anyone has any other ideas that would be cool too. I"ll try to get ahold of a camera and post up some pics of my wiring soon.

Thanks,Mike

Hey Mike, remove the starter remote wire, get a 12v continuity tester, have someone sit in the car and attempt to start it while you are holding the probe to the remote wire. If it lights up, then your starter is supect. If it does not, I seriously recommend you rechecking that harness that connects the alternator and starter and make sure it's connected to the chasis connectors (This is very important).

Dee

[RMiller]

I don't know if this would stop your car from starting, but the small ground on the alternator with the single black wire is easy to miss.

[pulsar gtr]

NO, the small black wire on the back of the alternator won't cause this problem, Mike, you need to follow the above trouble shooting procedure, it will save you some time.

PULSAR GTRRafi

[mikeh16]

I was able to take some pictures of my wiring before I came to work today, but I forgot to bring the USB cable for the camera, so they'll have to wait until I get home from work tonight. Probably be home around 12:30 to 1:30AM PST to psot the pics, so if anyone is still up and has nothing to do, check them out. For right now though, its time for Seinfeld season 3!

Thanks,Mike

[mikeh16]

Wiring from ECU to dash...

[mikeh16]

Plug that goes into dash connectorfrom ECU...

[mikeh16]

Wires that have NOT been plugged into the ECU...

[mikeh16]

Gray engine bay connector...

[mikeh16]

Brown engine bay connector...

[mikeh16]

Another pic of the brown connector...

[mikeh16]

Hopefully that will help you guys help me. If anybody has questions about color of wires or anything let me know.

Thanks,Mike

[mikeh16]

I was just thinking that if it came down to it, I would take it to the Nissan dealership near my house and see if they could help me out. I think that I'll call them tomarrow or maybe go in and talk to some of the mechanics about taking a look at it. If they put two hours into it and got it running, it would be so worth it.

Do you guys think that Nissan would be able to help me with my dilemma? They probably wouldn't be too happy about the swap in the first place, let alone the crazy way I have removed emissions garbage and have a bunch of hacked wiring. But, I guess its worth a shot. Some feedback from the dealership employees out there would be awesome.

Thanks,Mike