"Troopergate" investigation turning ugly

[srellim234]

Palin is no longer cooperating with the legislative judiciary committee investigating "troopergate" and her staff has been ordered not to cooperate as they had earlier promised to do.

Here is the Wall Street Journal's coverage of it this morning:

http://online.wsj.com/public/a...ftbox

[The Wicker Man]

well of course she's not cooperating

[rn79870]

Innocent people have nothing to hide. Sure doesn't make her look innocent or cooperative.

[srellim234]

She could see it in one of many ways, but I think it's going to turn really nasty.

Is it a bipartisan witch hunt since she's made enemies on both sides of the aisle?

Does the Judiciary Committee really have no jurisdiction to look into the matter (i.e., seperation of powers)?

Is she getting coached by the Bush Administration, threatening to ignore the subpoenas as Bush aides are doing to Congress?

Is she trying to delay the final outcome until after the election, so that if the Republicans win the election, the absolute worst happened in the investigation and she were forced to step down, the new V.P. would still be a Republican?

Is she causing trouble and holding things up, hoping the investigation runs out of the $100,000 budgeted for the investigation? I wonder if she would pressure the Lt.Gov. to line item veto a request for additional investigation money.

It's still too early to tell how this is going to go other than the fact that it's getting nastier.

[wingFeather]

Innocent people have nothing to hide.

No wonder Obama hides so deeply behind his slick mask!!!

[rn79870]

I think this will become a major issue unless she cooperates. They have already moved up the release of that investigation 3 weeks in order to make it appear less like an attack on Palin. That causes me to think that their preliminary opinion is that she did abuse her powers as governor.

The problem the Republican party is not seeing is the extensive amount of baggage she brings. She overshadows McCain and as long as that continues, her baggage is fair game. I seriously wounder why they continue to allow their campaign and their chances of winning to be jeopardized by her problems.

[Jesda]

The problem the Republican party is not seeing is the extensive amount of baggage she brings.

Neither is the state of Alaska. Her approval rating as governor exceeds 80%.

[srellim234]

I don't see the Republican Party as being remotely interested in getting rid of her. I don't think they should.

Without the "Hail Sarah" pass I think they saw that over the next few months they couldn't have generated enough base excitement to get McCain to a win. Similar to feeding Bob Dole to the wolves, McCain is an elder statesman of the party so there was that type of support, albeit unspoken, for not abandoning him totally in the election.

Now, if they lose, Palin goes back to Alaska as a young Republican politician with a good approval rating back home. Even if she drifts off into obscurity after the election it's no biggie to the Republican Party. She has a great private family life to return to if she eventually loses that popular support.

If the Republicans dump her, it's virtually a guaranteed win for the Democrats as McCain's judgement and decision making will be totally trashed.

[szh]

Innocent people have nothing to hide.

You obviously do not know anything about the legal system and the media and how badly we have warped "reporting" with sensationalism and "opinion" from reporters.

We like to, particularly with people who are in the forefront of the media today, roast them with biased reports. That usually have nothing to do with legality or reality!

So, the safest thing to do with any legal issue is to let the rational people, who do not have an axe to grind, or a sensationalism to report, deal with it. That means not trying to do anything about it publicly - you can not win those.

Z

[szh]

I don't see the Republican Party as being remotely interested in getting rid of her. I don't think they should.

Totally agreed!

If the Republicans dump her, it's virtually a guaranteed win for the Democrats as McCain's judgement and decision making will be totally trashed.

Which is why the Democrats (including even here on this forum) are pushing for it has hard as they can.

Instead of spending the time properly, and positively, promoting the Obama-Biden platform.

Z

[96Qowner]

You obviously do not know anything about the legal system and the media and how badly we have warped "reporting" with sensationalism and "opinion" from reporters. Z

Guess what happened today:

Keith Olbermann may be the “voice” of MSNBC, but network executives have decided to yank the talkmeister off its political anchor desk after the cable channel finished dead last in the Nielsen rankings of all news coverage during the two weeks of political conventions.

The network announced Monday that Olbermann and Chris Matthews have both been booted as co-hosts on political night coverage in favor of David Gregory, whose White House press corps experience may make him better suited to deliver sober and less opinion-driven assessments of the news.

All summer, MSNBC executives have fought off complaints that Olbermann and Matthews, the network’s top commentators, could serve in the role of impartial newsmen. Those complaints reached a crescendo last week when Olbermann, reporting on the Republican National Convention from New York rather than St. Paul, apologized to the audience after the channel aired a Sept. 11 video tribute crafted by the RNC.

I switched around between FOX, MSNBC and CNN all during the conventions to see how each channel covered them. MSNBC was by far the sleeziest, least professional of the three. Keith is a mean-spirited, sarcastic clown, and Matthews spent most of his time scowling. I wonder if he was having trouble putting up with the obvious bias that Olberman and his cronies were spouting. Usually, I think Chris is fair - not during the conventions, unfortuantely. MSNBC and NBC, for allowing it, have been receiving criticism from all over the place, including several left-leaning people.

So, maybe, just maybe, the mainstream media is starting to worry about the loss of their credibility. Shouting heads may make people watch commercials, but they destroy informative analysis and debate.

[wingFeather]

apologized to the audience after the channel aired a Sept. 11 video tribute crafted by the RNC.

Why would he apologize for airing this tribute? Glad he's a goner...

[96Qowner]

Didn't mean to jack the thread with the news of the Keithster - started a new thread.

Return to the subject, folks - my apologies.

[wingFeather]

Which is why the Democrats (including even here on this forum) are pushing for it has hard as they can.

Instead of spending the time properly, and positively, promoting the Obama-Biden platform.

It's a shame the Democrats are guilty of the very behavior that they criticize. Kind of two-faced, isn't it?

[Marenta]

I want to see every single email that Obama, Biden, and McCain have sent out on any legal communication circuit, then. EVERY SINGLE ONE, because heaven forbid if a man does something, right?



Where has this country gone. Weren't we supposed to be the land of the free and home of the brave. I'm starting to become more and more ashamed of the culture that is breeding here. Disgusted almost.

[wingFeather]

I want to see every single email that Obama, Biden, and McCain have sent out on any legal communication circuit, then. EVERY SINGLE ONE, because heaven forbid if a man does something, right?



Where has this country gone. Weren't we supposed to be the land of the free and home of the brave. I'm starting to become more and more ashamed of the culture that is breeding here. Disgusted almost.

+1

"Sensitive data" is just that. If our leaders cannot communicate certain things without the public knowing, then we're in for a dark future. Might as well CC the Taliban on White House emails

[rn79870]

I want to see every single email that Obama, Biden, and McCain have sent out on any legal communication circuit, then. EVERY SINGLE ONE, because heaven forbid if a man does something, right?.

Obsama is not currently under investigation. Those emails are evidence in an ongoing investigation. Like Nixon's tapes, there's precedent for turning them over.

"Sensitive data" is just that. If our leaders cannot communicate certain things without the public knowing, then we're in for a dark future. Might as well CC the Taliban on White House emails

Seriously, those are related to Alaska, not national security, PLUS, she had sent her husband, (a non employee) copies. Please.

[wingFeather]

Seriously, those are related to Alaska, not national security, PLUS, she had sent her husband, (a non employee) copies. Please.

If this is the case, and people still feel the need to read her emails, then all emails should be shared (Obama, Biden, etc...). Personally, I'd love to read Al Gore & Bill Clinton's email. Juicy!!!

Then, as an act of fairness, I feel that every US citizen's email should be made public. We paid for the internet tubes

[srellim234]

How about we all just let the bipartisan Judiciary Committee subpoena what they need to conduct the investigation and NOT share with us whatever is unrelated to the public's "need to know?"

If she was sharing confidential or classified info by cc'ing her husband, that is a totally separate issue and a new investigation. My wife is in law enfrcement and she does NOT share with me the sensitive parts of any investigation she is involved in. It is, quite frankly, none of my business and off limits.

Likewise, I have never shared classified things about my corporate jobs with her. Things like personnel issues, company secrets,etc.

My belief is that this hassle is not sexist in nature. I think it's more firmly rooted in a sensationalist press trying to dig up dirt on whoever is the convenient target this week.

[wingFeather]

I have never shared classified things about my corporate jobs with her. Things like personnel issues, company secrets,etc.

Bravo! I applaud you for such morality.

[szh]

My belief is that this hassle is not sexist in nature. I think it's more firmly rooted in a sensationalist press trying to dig up dirt on whoever is the convenient target this week.

I agree entirely with both points.

Z

[AZhitman]

Innocent people have nothing to hide. Sure doesn't make her look innocent or cooperative.

Interesting.

The left has been arguing against that excuse for decades when their privacy is threatened in the least.

Hmmmm. Next up, illegal wiretaps.

More hypocrisy from the left.

[rn79870]

Interesting.

The left has been arguing against that excuse for decades when their privacy is threatened in the least.

Hmmmm. Next up, illegal wiretaps.

More hypocrisy from the left.

It's a pretty great leap from requesting email revelant to an investigation to illegal wiretaps. What's the connetcion?

[AZhitman]

I think it's more firmly rooted in a sensationalist press trying to dig up dirt on whoever is the convenient target this week.

Again, refreshing and sensible.

I'm starting to see the left enter "panic mode"... reminds me of an animal with one leg caught in a trap, thrashing and yelping uncontrollably.

Like Jesda said, 80% approval rating. Solid.

Keep digging, lefties. Even the tabloid trash readers are getting disgusted with the mudslinging.

[AZhitman]

It's a pretty great leap from requesting email revelant to an investigation to illegal wiretaps. What's the connetcion?

Logical progression.

They're not requesting emails relevant to the investigation (which REMAINS a non-issue), they're requesting ALL emails.

While certainly within the rights granted under FOIA, it's still a slippery slope and of special note to me is the fact that the right has not demanded the same of BO and JB.

"Sure doesn't make her look innocent or cooperative. "

Assumption and innuendo. How about witholding judgement until facts are revealed?

Even terming this nonsense a "scandal" shows the lengths the left will go to in order to smear a candidate.

[rn79870]

I think it's more firmly rooted in a sensationalist press trying to dig up dirt on whoever is the convenient target this week.

Exactally, and the "otherside" accuses the "otherside" of doing it.