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Whoever posted awhile back about some magic hole that releases transmission fluid if it's overfilled please stand up !!!!

POPPYCOCK !!!
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I consider you innocent until proven guilty....
Present your case.
Stand forward or forever stop the BS.

~~Going out to drain a bit~~

Installed a larger cooler because of the 3 digit heat i drive in and over compensated the fluid it would take for the larger cooler.
hasn't dropped a bit on the stick in two days of driving.


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Is your transmission tunnel getting hot?

Can you feel it when your driving it?

Drain some fluid, or you'll cook the transmission. I nearly did that once.

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Naah the tunnel wasn't getting hot.
But it was way up the stick when I checked.
Was dead on before.
I pulled the cooler I had and put it on my sons Honda and put the next larger sized B&M in its place.
Its been triple digit heat down here for a few weeks.

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well how are you running the cooler? through the radiator first then the cooler or the cooler then the radiator back to the trans?

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yodawill2000 wrote:Whoever posted awhile back about some magic hole that releases transmission fluid if it's overfilled please stand up !!!!

POPPYCOCK !!!
:bs:
I consider you innocent until proven guilty....
Present your case.
Stand forward or forever stop the BS.

~~Going out to drain a bit~~

Installed a larger cooler because of the 3 digit heat i drive in and over compensated the fluid it would take for the larger cooler.
hasn't dropped a bit on the stick in two days of driving.
I'll take credit (or blame) for posting something similar to what you are saying... My transmission was also over-filled when I did my 1st drain and fill on the J. I put in close to the same amount that came out but hadn't checked the dipstick before I did that. 3 qts in to a 2 qt sump and my dipstick was well over the hot full mark when cold :frown: This also means it had run over-filled for close to 10k miles and we see temps in Summer of 100+ routinely.

I have a long time friend who's a serious motor-head, more serious Datsun/Nissan/Infiniti motor-head and (amongst others) owns a '95 300zx TT (auto). He says the J and his TT share the same trans. He's also had his motor and trans out of the car a couple of times so has actually visually seen the vent, and told me "not to worry about being a little over filled", as it has this vent. It is a vent, not an over-filled transmission take-it-to-the-safe-range drain. Perhaps someone else posted something like that? I also ended up draining some out, btw -- but left it in the full "hot" range...

According to my friend, the vent is located towards the rear driver's side on top of the trans., I tried to look but couldn't see up there, so I cannot personally verify the vent is there. But if it's there, it is not to drain the over-fill condition, but to prevent over-pressuring the system and blowing seals, puking ATF, etc. I would bet there is some room between over-full on the dipstick and spewing trans fluid from the vent. Other vehicles have transmission vents too...

I am unclear as to what folks think will happen on a packed hydraulic system that automatic transmissions have that are over-filled. If it's unvented, you run a risk of blowing seals or puking fluid out the fill/dipstick tube and onto hot exhaust etc. (fire danger), or on a vented system puking out the vent, also potentialy onto hot exhaust. But unlike a wet sump motor that has a crankshaft that will whip over-filled oil into a foam, what do we think happens in an automatic? The sump shouldn't need an airspace other than for fluid expansion, right?

In any case, does anybody have a schematic of our trans that might show if the vent exists?? I'm all about getting edjumacated, that's why I'm here, and I try to contribute where I can as well...

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1994 infiniti j30 190+ wrote:well how are you running the cooler? through the radiator first then the cooler or the cooler then the radiator back to the trans?
I bypassed the OEM cooler completely.
The B&M Supercoolers have a bypass route until the temp comes up to spec.

I didn't mean to bust any chops CoolJ
I was just hoping the vent would save me from getting under there again. LOL

It may vent if its WAY overfilled.
I was at the low end of the hot hash marks and put a few Glugs in.
Went through the gears and it only came up a tad. So I pour the remainder of the quart in and it went way up the stick.
It cant be more than half a quart over give or take.

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Cool_J30 wrote:
yodawill2000 wrote: I'm all about getting edjumacated, that's why I'm here, and I try to contribute where I can as well...


Not What your looking for but good break down drawings of the transmission http://www.automaticchoice.com/Catalogue/re4r01a.pdf

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Just drained about a 1/2 quart and its dead on after heat up !

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Nice link Gerardjg !! :bowrofl:
Saved it to my PDF collection ! :bigthumb:

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1st off, in reference to the schematic, I finally used the link driverdriver provided me at least two times now to the repair manual PDFs. Plenty of schematics and tons of info I skimmed thru... Couldn't find a schematic that pointed out the suspect "vent", but I did find in the trouble shooting section a reference under fluid inspection to "if it is milky colored" check for water coming in at the dipstick/fill tube or the breather.

Another thing I read on inspecting the fluid is the same condition (brown and tacky) points to fluid either being under-filled or over-filled. So reguardless of what we think over-filling the trans does, it sounds like Nissan believes either causes the same thing (too hot?).

Yoda: no foul. I found it doesn't take much fluid to make a big diff on the dipstick. I'm considering doing the same thing and going to an external cooler, haven't decided if I'll go in-line with or bypass the radiator one yet. Just because the trans has made it 93K w/o an external cooler, doesn't mean I'll not want it to be happier under my ownership :yesnod There's a synthetic Dexron that is supposed to be compatable with plain Dexron III -- happened to pick up a bottle of universal fluid at Wallyworld (their brand) while I was helping my Dad w/ power steering fluid change out on his Toyota -- it smelled just as bad (as in the same) as the Ford Mercon V that I just put in my Expedition. It also said it met both Dexron III and Mercon V specs (Mercon V is only a synthetic). Hmmmm... At three and a half bucks a quart might be worth doing it...

Gerardjg: Thanks, I'll take a look at that -- still going to research the over-fill consequences (not that I'm going to test it on mine, mind you :lolling: ) in general on an auto trans.

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Cool_J30
Not sure this is true.
"He says the J and his TT share the same trans'"

A TT will burn up the standard J transmission in a Heartbeat !!!

If I recall the Auto in a TT is the beefier model.
Like maybe what the Q has. :gotme

the guy here that put a Twin Turbo in his J smoked a few trannys in as many weeks !!

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1994 infiniti j30 190+ wrote:well how are you running the cooler? through the radiator first then the cooler or the cooler then the radiator back to the trans?
I bypassed the OEM cooler completely.
The B&M Supercoolers have a bypass route until the temp comes up to spec.
my automotive teacher reccomended for the cooler that you run it through the cooler first then run it back into the radiator because if you have the fuid too cool you can end up burnin up somethin in the trans instead of keeping it from doing that and then you have real issues.

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That's why the B&M cooler has the bypass.
I may route it back though the oem cooler in the fall.
When its 105 out in the shade I'm not to worried about the transmission running too cool. :)

Here's a quote from the B&M site.

B&M SuperCoolers are 100% aluminum construction and use stamped plates sandwiched together to create one of the most efficient oil cooling devices available. Not only does this unique design provide for maximized cooling through more efficient heat dissipation but it also provides a much sturdier cooler which is practically impervious to flying rocks or other debris. The Super-Coolers intended for automatic transmission fluid also offer an additional feature known as “Low Pressure Drop”. The coolers assembled with hose barb ends include a unique bypass feature allowing a controlled amount of ATF to bypass the stacked plate core when the fluid is cold. This is beneficial in cold climate areas to guard against lube system failure. Controlled by viscosity, fluid is returned directly to the lube circuit through bypass openings in the stacked plate core. As the temperature increases, more ATF is directed through the core. This highly efficient design combines improved protection against lube system failure with the required levels of optimal heat transfer.

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yea i guess for you, you dont have to worry about it being too cool. and there bypass thing i guess makes alot of sense. i guess its just on personal preference on what you want to do and have. but that sounds like a win win situation with that.

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yodawill2000 wrote:Cool_J30
Not sure this is true.
"He says the J and his TT share the same trans'"

A TT will burn up the standard J transmission in a Heartbeat !!!

If I recall the Auto in a TT is the beefier model.
Like maybe what the Q has. :gotme

the guy here that put a Twin Turbo in his J smoked a few trannys in as many weeks !!
Me either and the Q trans makes more sense or the N/A 300 ZX trans -- I thought the TT would be way too powerful. So the auto version of the TT is 280HP and I've read the J is anywhere from 200 - 220 HP, then there's close to 300 lb weight difference (I remember back in my racing days they'd say 10lbs = 1HP... gave me a good reason to lose weight anyway). So if the J (liberally) has 220HP and the TT auto has 280HP but is 300lbs lighter...

Do you know if the guy that did the swap used the manual trans motor or have a chip in it?

I'm sure there's a guru out there that knows for sure...

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The one person on this forum who ran a twin turbo J30 and kept the transmission an automatic as opposed to a 5 speed conversion used a Level Ten unit. Those things are beefy (and pricey) and can handle all the power.

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I'm a newb DD, what's a level 10 trans mean?
Thanks...

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the manual trans have a breather port but obviously the autos dont. the NA-TT manual trans are basically the same besides the bell housing. manual trans will hold up for oodles of power.


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