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S14 boy
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Toyota AE86
I was thinking of doing a ae86 project and need yo know the difference between the ae86 gt-s and the ae86 sr5- i know its not nissan but hopefully someone can help-thanks
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nonvtecaccord
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you should try http://www.club4ag.com for more info...
and as far as i know... everything they said... and i hear the subframe isnt as strong or something... but i dunno squat about corollas so dont take my word on it... research is the key
and as far as i know... everything they said... and i hear the subframe isnt as strong or something... but i dunno squat about corollas so dont take my word on it... research is the key
the old 20 year motor is probably no good anymore. better to swap in a newer motor from japan or an mr2 supercharge maybe. factory lsd or not doesnt really matter its a plus i guess but any serious ricer oh i mean racer would get a 1.5 or 2way clutch type
drum brakes are just as good as discs but they look fugly haha wing zero "sr5s have no rear brakes" thatll be cool. stock 20 year old shocks and springs arent any good either so basically if the body/frame is the same any is okay. go levin conversion i heard its liek 2-3k haha. and watanabes 8 spoke, panda paint job, gt apex sticker and a cup of water gogo.
my opinion is its not that great of a car. its more or less to be cool to have one. have fun with it though.
drum brakes are just as good as discs but they look fugly haha wing zero "sr5s have no rear brakes" thatll be cool. stock 20 year old shocks and springs arent any good either so basically if the body/frame is the same any is okay. go levin conversion i heard its liek 2-3k haha. and watanabes 8 spoke, panda paint job, gt apex sticker and a cup of water gogo.
my opinion is its not that great of a car. its more or less to be cool to have one. have fun with it though.
Re: (w1ngzer0)
no rear brakes huh? must have been to reduce weightw1ngzer0 wrote:teh rear and teh engine.SR-5There are no rear brakes,no lsd, carberated engine
GT-Srear brakes,lsd, and 4age :P
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jinsoku
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Re: (240DRFT)
FINALLY, SOMETHING I KNOW!!! i've owed both an sr5 and gts(still have the gts)
sr5 is carbed.. sohc 70hp 4ac engine.. it has rear brakes but they are drum brake(gts is disk). rear end is different, drive shaft, transmission(t50 just like the gts but different final drive ratio), speedo redlines earlier and only goes to 110(gts gots to 150), seat are different, steering wheel is like a boat wheel in the sr5, theres ALOT of little differences...
sr5's are cheaper but i would only buy one if it's going to be a swap project or daily driver. they run for about $1000 give or take a few hundred. i would deffinatly buy one if i was planning on swapping..
THERES A KA242DE(98) powered gts hatchback, full race(cage/ stripped) for sale on http://www.club4ag.com right now he said he would sell for around 3.5-4K.. easy to make into street legal..
if your planning on keeping a twin cam 16valve 4age engine then a gts would be better.. its just all the little things that are better but why not?
theres also a F20C(s2000) powered ae86 and theres even a few sr, rb swaps going on...
now the technical part.. straight from club 4ag tech reference...
4A-GE engine (and all brackets to support peripheral equipment)
Most peripherals such as A/C, P/S pumps and compressors
Complete intake and exhaust runners and headers
Fuel pump and lines
Gasoline tank, evaporation and related items
Clutch fork and fluid line locations and bell housing (GTS and SR5 has opposite side clutch fork and slave due to the differences in the exhaust runner location and is extremely important not to run fluid lines next to exhaust systems)
Transmission is the same unit as the GTS (T50C), however the speedometer gear is different, and must be replaced to read correct speed on the cluster. (due to different final drive ratio)
EFI computer triggers and sensors
AFM or MAP
Air Temp Sensor (MAP only)
distributor assembly (MAP and AFM based are different)
Igniter and Coils (different for AFM and MAP based)
EFI Computer (MAP or AFM specific)
House Harness and Engine Harness and related junction boxes
All relays and VSV triggers
peripheral VSV triggers
Battery terminals and fusible link terminals and fuse box
some of these can be ignored for carburetor use such as Weber Side-draft carburetors
Ignition system
Dash Cluster missing check engine (W) lamp
Labor and Installation Professional who can proceed properly so as not to create more problems (cheap or un-skilled installer would render the 4A-GE less powerful and unbelievably unreliable.
Oil cooler, block and lines
Clutch and flywheel Now as for other items that are mechanically different from the GT-S (4A-GE equipped models):
Differential carrier
Differential gear, axles, hub assembly (need 4A-GE unit to utilize commonly available LSD)
Rear disk brakes vs. drum and related lines and cables (except Japanese GT)
Steering rack, knuckles, tie rods
Propeller shaft
Clutch fork, assembly, cables, lines, bell housing (as mentioned above)
Front and rear suspension are different from factory in spec but can be interchanged (Not significant as most owners replace them with aftermarket systems anyway)
Body and trim differences:
Seats, panels and trim
Outside mirrors (some were equipped with power as on the GTS, while others were fixed manual units)
Tags and Emblems (obviously...)
Front bumper lower spoiler
Fender protector on 86-87 models
Trunk moldings on 86-87 2 door coupes
Rear spoiler missing on 84-85 SR5 3 door hatchbacks
Color variations inside and outside
Body side moldings
Number of spot welding in key frame members on 86-87 models
ETS Cassette Radio player (Ok, not important at all)
Rear Wipers, Power Windows, Sunroof only optional on GTS
Auto Climate Control (Japan Only)
heres the link if you want more info on differences and 4ac to 4ag swaphttp://www.club4ag.com/faq%20a....html
sr5 is carbed.. sohc 70hp 4ac engine.. it has rear brakes but they are drum brake(gts is disk). rear end is different, drive shaft, transmission(t50 just like the gts but different final drive ratio), speedo redlines earlier and only goes to 110(gts gots to 150), seat are different, steering wheel is like a boat wheel in the sr5, theres ALOT of little differences...
sr5's are cheaper but i would only buy one if it's going to be a swap project or daily driver. they run for about $1000 give or take a few hundred. i would deffinatly buy one if i was planning on swapping..
THERES A KA242DE(98) powered gts hatchback, full race(cage/ stripped) for sale on http://www.club4ag.com right now he said he would sell for around 3.5-4K.. easy to make into street legal..
if your planning on keeping a twin cam 16valve 4age engine then a gts would be better.. its just all the little things that are better but why not?
theres also a F20C(s2000) powered ae86 and theres even a few sr, rb swaps going on...
now the technical part.. straight from club 4ag tech reference...
4A-GE engine (and all brackets to support peripheral equipment)
Most peripherals such as A/C, P/S pumps and compressors
Complete intake and exhaust runners and headers
Fuel pump and lines
Gasoline tank, evaporation and related items
Clutch fork and fluid line locations and bell housing (GTS and SR5 has opposite side clutch fork and slave due to the differences in the exhaust runner location and is extremely important not to run fluid lines next to exhaust systems)
Transmission is the same unit as the GTS (T50C), however the speedometer gear is different, and must be replaced to read correct speed on the cluster. (due to different final drive ratio)
EFI computer triggers and sensors
AFM or MAP
Air Temp Sensor (MAP only)
distributor assembly (MAP and AFM based are different)
Igniter and Coils (different for AFM and MAP based)
EFI Computer (MAP or AFM specific)
House Harness and Engine Harness and related junction boxes
All relays and VSV triggers
peripheral VSV triggers
Battery terminals and fusible link terminals and fuse box
some of these can be ignored for carburetor use such as Weber Side-draft carburetors
Ignition system
Dash Cluster missing check engine (W) lamp
Labor and Installation Professional who can proceed properly so as not to create more problems (cheap or un-skilled installer would render the 4A-GE less powerful and unbelievably unreliable.
Oil cooler, block and lines
Clutch and flywheel Now as for other items that are mechanically different from the GT-S (4A-GE equipped models):
Differential carrier
Differential gear, axles, hub assembly (need 4A-GE unit to utilize commonly available LSD)
Rear disk brakes vs. drum and related lines and cables (except Japanese GT)
Steering rack, knuckles, tie rods
Propeller shaft
Clutch fork, assembly, cables, lines, bell housing (as mentioned above)
Front and rear suspension are different from factory in spec but can be interchanged (Not significant as most owners replace them with aftermarket systems anyway)
Body and trim differences:
Seats, panels and trim
Outside mirrors (some were equipped with power as on the GTS, while others were fixed manual units)
Tags and Emblems (obviously...)
Front bumper lower spoiler
Fender protector on 86-87 models
Trunk moldings on 86-87 2 door coupes
Rear spoiler missing on 84-85 SR5 3 door hatchbacks
Color variations inside and outside
Body side moldings
Number of spot welding in key frame members on 86-87 models
ETS Cassette Radio player (Ok, not important at all)
Rear Wipers, Power Windows, Sunroof only optional on GTS
Auto Climate Control (Japan Only)
heres the link if you want more info on differences and 4ac to 4ag swaphttp://www.club4ag.com/faq%20a....html
Re: (240DRFT)
fixed... happy now? har har240DRFT wrote:
no rear brakes huh? must have been to reduce weight
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themadscientist
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Re: (jinsoku)
Hachis are wicked cars, there are more than a few prowling the streets with SR20DETs in them but the 4AG is a pissed off little mill. My 4A can still get all but the most tweaked NA cuckoos, 20-valve AE101 owns you!
either one will be fine if you plan on swapping in an engine, most local drifters here prefer the older model with the drums for e-brake drifting and they have less weight and accesories. I wouldn't mind having one with a rotary in it.
either one will be fine if you plan on swapping in an engine, most local drifters here prefer the older model with the drums for e-brake drifting and they have less weight and accesories. I wouldn't mind having one with a rotary in it.
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Re: (Chingon)
SR-5 is a 3A over here, is it different in the states? Before you discount the 3A, I have seen a mean little one. The guy had a set of sidedrafts and a header on it and it was hanging with the 4As around the corners. other than the lack of the lsd the SR5 would be fine with me, like was said you can always swap in a 4A if the 3A doesn't get your blood pumping. I have driven a hachi with a 4AGZE supercharger engine in it, neeisch!
Re: (themadscientist)
Yes the SR5 ebrakes lock up good. I snaped a few in my friends old one. Luckily they can be bought at advanced auto unlike nissan.themadscientist wrote:Hachis are wicked cars, there are more than a few prowling the streets with SR20DETs in them but the 4AG is a pissed off little mill. My 4A can still get all but the most tweaked NA cuckoos, 20-valve AE101 owns you!
either one will be fine if you plan on swapping in an engine, most local drifters here prefer the older model with the drums for e-brake drifting and they have less weight and accesories. I wouldn't mind having one with a rotary in it.
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jinsoku
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Re: (themadscientist)
somebody buy that KA24DE powered ae86 liftback... its tight...cant go wrong for 3.5K...
call the owner (javier) for more info... 626-347-1425 so cal....
what i know...
its an 85its a gtsno lsd60K milestheres a cagestripped interiorIMPULSE rims
i offered 4K and he said "yeah, sold" right away which means he'll go lower.. offer him $2500 and keep going up till you get to around 3.5K.. it was done professionally at a shop he used to work at..
ae86 with a ka24de..shoot.. kat or sr swap that thing..
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call the owner (javier) for more info... 626-347-1425 so cal....
what i know...
its an 85its a gtsno lsd60K milestheres a cagestripped interiorIMPULSE rims
i offered 4K and he said "yeah, sold" right away which means he'll go lower.. offer him $2500 and keep going up till you get to around 3.5K.. it was done professionally at a shop he used to work at..
ae86 with a ka24de..shoot.. kat or sr swap that thing..
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jinsoku
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Re: (Chingon)
MOST gts's have LSD from factory... so get your hopes up if its a GTS, especially if its a kouki...Chingon wrote:lsd wasn't standard in the gt-s so don't get your hopes up.
I think the sr-5 is ae85...
ae85 is japan code.. not used in us
in the us AE86 in the vin means its an SR5 and AE88 means its a GTS the numbers are used to separate the two.. the chasis is still the same...
Re: (jinsoku)
shoot i'd hit that deal up IF IT WASN"T RED.jinsoku wrote:somebody buy that KA24DE powered ae86 liftback... its tight...cant go wrong for 3.5K...
call the owner (javier) for more info... 626-347-1425 so cal....
what i know...
its an 85its a gtsno lsd60K milestheres a cagestripped interiorIMPULSE rims
i offered 4K and he said "yeah, sold" right away which means he'll go lower.. offer him $2500 and keep going up till you get to around 3.5K.. it was done professionally at a shop he used to work at..
ae86 with a ka24de..shoot.. kat or sr swap that thing..
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