touge

[phanatikz32]

Does anybody here have any respect or love for touge? it seems as tho everyone hates people who drift outside of the track... and i was just wondering if everybody hates touge aswell because its not closed course drifting? i mean i go up to the mountain roads for meets tho i dont really run MY car... but ive been on a few ride alongs and i have mucho respect for those guys! its simply a different kind of rush IMO but what do yall think?

[Joe]

its ignorant to endanger innocent people by driving like a jackass on a mountian.

thats why i dont respect the touge.

[phanatikz32]

well most touge goes on late at night and deep in the mountains where there is not much activity durring the day let alone at night... so the only life youd be endangering would be your own.... and maybe your passenger if you do ride alongs but most people dont...but whatever you know your entitled to your opinion.

[Joe]

well most touge goes on late at night and deep in the mountains where there is not much activity durring the day let alone at night... so the only life youd be endangering would be your own.... and maybe your passenger if you do ride alongs but most people dont...but whatever you know your entitled to your opinion.

bottom line is its a PUBLIC street. you have NO idea if someone is coming around the corner in front of you. i dont care how empty you think it is, all it takes is 1 family coming down in a minivan and 2 families will be affected more than you can ever understand

what if you kill the whole family but you survive? you are going to prison for a long time

what if you all die? can you imagine what your friends and family would do?

thats why doing stupid **** on the street is not only dangerous, its immature. have some respect for the other people on the road because god help you if you kill one of my friends or family members while you are doing your gay mountain running.

[adrianfromthecastle]

Willow Springs has the Horse Theif Mile... you should look that up, its not that far from you. Scary part is, no guard rails

[Joe]

several of us (AZ guys) are trying to go out for a HTM event this fall.

[adrianfromthecastle]

several of us (AZ guys) are trying to go out for a HTM event this fall.

In the fall huh? Good times!... bring a lot of chap stick LOL. Climate out there is super wierd

[neverlift]

only thing I can say about it is wtf is touge I have never saw a mountain(j/k) more or less pushed the limits of my car on one which **** its scary enough to drive to the store slowly these days.

[E7-S14]

how exactly is touge pronounced??its toe-gay right.. (but dont drag the gay out) and im not tryin to be funny either

wounldnt it b fine if someone somehow blocked the road off from traffic fot the time being?. assuming its at night and nobody usually usest the route.then when your done.. jsut take whatever u used to blcok the road and leave

[phanatikz32]

bottom line is its a PUBLIC street. you have NO idea if someone is coming around the corner in front of you. i dont care how empty you think it is, all it takes is 1 family coming down in a minivan and 2 families will be affected more than you can ever understand

what if you kill the whole family but you survive? you are going to prison for a long time

what if you all die? can you imagine what your friends and family would do?

thats why doing stupid **** on the street is not only dangerous, its immature. have some respect for the other people on the road because god help you if you kill one of my friends or family members while you are doing your gay mountain running.

i agree mostly with what you are saying but what you arent understanding is that the roads used around here are not pedestrian roads, they are usually side roads used for transporting construction equipment and there is a large pullout at the top where the road ends where everybody meets up. its basically a closed course becasue there is a small gate that blocks the street to casual traffic. but im just saying dude... its not like im running lol dont aim ur flames at me

[phanatikz32]

Willow Springs has the Horse Theif Mile... you should look that up, its not that far from you. Scary part is, no guard rails

is it a closed course? do you have to pay to use it?

[Matej]

Missouri doesn't have any mountains, just a few lame curvy roads.





Ebisu Circuit is the coolest track ever.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqcYsrOLCws

[adrianfromthecastle]

is it a closed course? do you have to pay to use it?

http://justdrift.com/registration.asp

[phanatikz32]

dude that video was insane! orido wasnt even wearing a helmet! lol that guy has a death wish! lol but yo what happened to the first 240 in the pic you had up?

[E7-S14]

dude that video was insane! orido wasnt even wearing a helmet! lol that guy has a death wish! lol but yo what happened to the first 240 in the pic you had up?

thats the skill level i wish to aquire one day lol.

[rh4motorsports]

i have respect for the togue just wish there was one around. I used to drift the 4-5 lane wide intersections in the middle of the night, but that got old kinda, and risky as ever. I like watching them in japan it's pretty cool. but i think that they respect it alot, and thats why they're not shut down, over here we take it for granted, so we don't respect it, or wouldn't good enough and go over our heads and soem might get killed trying too hard kinda thing. that's my idea on that....

[LayNLow240]

how exactly is touge pronounced??its toe-gay right.. (but dont drag the gay out) and im not tryin to be funny either

wounldnt it b fine if someone somehow blocked the road off from traffic fot the time being?. assuming its at night and nobody usually usest the route.then when your done.. jsut take whatever u used to blcok the road and leave

watch this video. the guy says touge at like 12 secs.edit: damnit cant embed youtube videos here.heres the linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYqY2MNM54

[triplesixrivals240]

If you don't respect touge, you have no respect for where the sport of drifting originated.

I believe touge to be more honorable in a sense that it's not bigoted by the track. Don't get me wrong, I dream to one day compete on track, but for what I have right now and in the near future, closed public roads is what I must deal with...and to be honest I would rather learn there than the track. Preparation is my main concern, and learning in an area that is more extreme is the best form of preparation.

More realistic, and what has been said proves this.

It takes a certain amount of intelligence, organization, and acceptance to drift touge.

Call me a stupid teenager, call me arrogant, call me whatever. My opinion is my opinion, and your opinion is your opinion. If you realize and can take in and understand what have said, you will know that arrogance is something I don't deal with.

[Joe]

if by certain amount of intelligence, you mean little, then yep it takes that

dont try to justify driving like a jackass on a public road. you cannot win.

and if you dream of driving on track, DO IT! its not hard.

[NiSmo240luvR]

If you don't respect touge, you have no respect for where the sport of drifting originated.

I believe touge to be more honorable in a sense that it's not bigoted by the track. Don't get me wrong, I dream to one day compete on track, but for what I have right now and in the near future, closed public roads is what I must deal with...and to be honest I would rather learn there than the track. Preparation is my main concern, and learning in an area that is more extreme is the best form of preparation.

More realistic, and what has been said proves this.

It takes a certain amount of intelligence, organization, and acceptance to drift touge.

Call me a stupid teenager, call me arrogant, call me whatever. My opinion is my opinion, and your opinion is your opinion. If you realize and can take in and understand what have said, you will know that arrogance is something I don't deal with.

I think you have watched too much intial D.

[triplesixrivals240]

if by certain amount of intelligence, you mean little, then yep it takes that

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

The amount of intelligence deals with how much organization you put into it. You could be stupid and have very little organization, which would cause the situations you have talked about and brought up. But if you're smart about your organization, then you have nothing to worry about.

dont try to justify driving like a jackass on a public road. you cannot win.

So you're saying drifting in general is driving like a jackass? I missing your point, I think.

Sorry, that's the smartass in me speaking.

I'm not trying to justify that touge is entirely safe. Because it's not. What I'm trying to justify is that -- it's not, but there are ways and methods you can do to make it safer.

and if you dream of driving on track, DO IT! its not hard.

I know of events in Indianapolis that happen every now and then. But whether or not the track, however ****ty it probably is, is open for drifting as often as it should be.

I think you have watched too much intial D.

Watched? More so read. I've read the first volume. That's it.

[Joe]

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

The amount of intelligence deals with how much organization you put into it. You could be stupid and have very little organization, which would cause the situations you have talked about and brought up. But if you're smart about your organization, then you have nothing to worry about.

So you're saying drifting in general is driving like a jackass? I missing your point, I think.

Sorry, that's the smartass in me speaking.

I'm not trying to justify that touge is entirely safe. Because it's not. What I'm trying to justify is that -- it's not, but there are ways and methods you can do to make it safer.



I know of events in Indianapolis that happen every now and then. But whether or not the track, however ****ty it probably is, is open for drifting as often as it should be.

i perfectly understand what you are saying. you are trying to say that when you take "precautions" the touge can be "safer" than what most people usually do on the mountain.

and im telling you, no matter how safe you think it is, if you arent CLOSING A ROAD you put innocent people at risk, and even past that point, you are ON A ****ING MOUNTAIN TRYING TO DRIFT. there is NO way you will ever justify that as to being safer than a track.

and what the **** of course drifting in general is driving like a jackass. YOU GO SIDEWAYS AROUND A CORNER. no matter how much fun it is, its not racing, its semi-controlled chaos. and doing it on a street or mountain is ignorant.

so in closing, go to the track.

[triplesixrivals240]

and im telling you, no matter how safe you think it is, if you arent CLOSING A ROAD you put innocent people at risk, and even past that point, you are ON A ****ING MOUNTAIN TRYING TO DRIFT. there is NO way you will ever justify that as to being safer than a track.

I never said it was safer. Of course the track is safer...I'm not going to argue with that.

and what the **** of course drifting in general is driving like a jackass. YOU GO SIDEWAYS AROUND A CORNER. no matter how much fun it is, its not racing, its semi-controlled chaos. and doing it on a street or mountain is ignorant.

So you're saying any form of driving that is done outside of the intentions of normal vehicles is driving like a dumbass?

I understand what you're saying, but there's also a difference between ignorance and opinion.

If I was ignorant in this subject, I would be arguing that accidents never happen, touge is soooo much safer, and something bad would never, ever happen. I'm not. I have accepted the fact that they're public, open roads. People use these roads everyday, however dead they are.

Like you said, precautions.

so in closing, go to the track.

If it makes you happier, I've done a bit of research and came upon this: http://www.driftindy.com/.

Now, what happens, a year from now and the dome is not hosting an event and I want to drive my car like I worked my *** off for and spent the money for it to do, yet the next event isn't for another 4 months?

[Joe]

I never said it was safer. Of course the track is safer...I'm not going to argue with that.

So you're saying any form of driving that is done outside of the intentions of normal vehicles is driving like a dumbass?

I understand what you're saying, but there's also a difference between ignorance and opinion.

If I was ignorant in this subject, I would be arguing that accidents never happen, touge is soooo much safer, and something bad would never, ever happen. I'm not. I have accepted the fact that they're public, open roads. People use these roads everyday, however dead they are.

Like you said, precautions.

If it makes you happier, I've done a bit of research and come upon this: http://www.driftindy.com/.

Now, what happens, a year from now and the dome is not hosting an event and I want to drive my car like I worked my *** off for and spent the money for it to do, yet the next event isn't for another 4 months?

when you do non-normal driving on the street in any situation, yep, thats driving like a jackass. street racing, touge, drifting, whatever.

when you "opinion" exudes ignorance, its not an opinion.

"in my opinion stealing is OK"

i know that is an extreme example, but you get my point. you are 17 years old and dont have enough life experience to form opinions that puts innocent people's lives at risk. there is no way you should ever justify the "touge" as an option just for the simple fact you THINK its empty.

all it takes is 1 night, one time someone is on the road. thats it, game over.

and if there arent enough events in your area go organize some. find a big parking lot and talk to the owner, or another racetrack, talk to the SCCA and see where they autocross then approach the facility, or talk to the DI guys and find out why they dont do more events. we didnt have enough regular events so we started organizing our own. they have been very successful.

i have never condoned street drifting, and i never will but doing it on a mountain is especially stupid. at least pick an empty parking lot in an industrial area or something. there you know for a FACT nobody is going to come screaming around a corner.

[triplesixrivals240]

when you "opinion" exudes ignorance, its not an opinion.

"in my opinion stealing is OK"

i know that is an extreme example, but you get my point...

Extreme example as it may be, I do get your point...to an extent. I mean in every radical situation anyone can conjure, there's a situation for everything.

I'll use this as an example. I smoke. People tell me it's bad for me. What do I say to them? So is eating too much. So is not eating enough. So is eating fast food. So is eating meat. So is staying up all night. They tell me it will kill me. So will jaywalking. They tell me it is illegal (at the moment). So is speeding. So is jaywalking. So is stealing.These are things people do everyday. Whether or not you do them all, a few, or just one, it happens.

It could be worked in multiple ways, in multiple situations -- but I get your point (which is a good point at that), and has made me rethink how different people have different aspects between right and wrong.

you are 17 years old and dont have enough life experience to form opinions that puts innocent people's lives at risk. there is no way you should ever justify the "touge" as an option just for the simple fact you THINK its empty.

all it takes is 1 night, one time someone is on the road. thats it, game over.

Exactly.

But, I will say this -- organization is everything. Time, place, and setting.

With the ideas myself and others close to me have, this **** is going to be legit. It will seem like it's a closed circuit.

and if there arent enough events in your area go organize some. find a big parking lot and talk to the owner, or another racetrack, talk to the SCCA and see where they autocross then approach the facility, or talk to the DI guys and find out why they dont do more events. thats what I did. we didnt have enough regular events so we started organizing our own. they have been very successful.

I could see this being a possibility, but the first problem I can see happening is parking lot owners (which would be the first and easiest to begin) would ask for a ****load of money, and that's assuming I even could get in contact them. And seeing how, by that time, even if I would have money to spend (once everything has been close to "complete" on my s13), I would be counted out of the mix due to the need for tires...the money would have been spent on renting a parking lot for a day.

http://www.indyscca.org/

Odd, I used to go to the Grissom Aeroplex a lot, considering how I used to live in Peru...I know where the place is located.

[Bierbaumer]

question:

might sound stupid,but i'm serious... so no flaming please, i just don't know it.

is it legal to block a road in the states to use it for racing purposes?in austria it sort of is...but you have to talk to the head of the city the road belongs to, and have to do a lot of other stuff.like event insurance and stuff.

couldn't that be a solution to touge???

[triplesixrivals240]

I'm pretty sure most cities in the states, smaller or large, would laugh at you if you asked them if it was alright to close a road off for a race.

[NiSmo240luvR]

I'll use this as an example. I smoke. People tell me it's bad for me. What do I say to them? So is eating too much. So is not eating enough. So is eating fast food. So is eating meat. So is staying up all night. They tell me it will kill me. So will jaywalking. They tell me it is illegal (at the moment). So is speeding. So is jaywalking. So is stealing.These are things people do everyday. Whether or not you do them all, a few, or just one, it happens.

It could be worked in multiple ways, in multiple situations -- but I get your point (which is a good point at that), and has made me rethink how different people have different aspects between right and wrong.

see but all those things you named are only going to hurt YOU. however, when you drive like an idiot on a mountain road, there is a chance that you are going to hurt someone else, not just yourself.

[redtop91]

I see how it is entertaining just how people get hooked by street racing. It is still dangerous but I don't see how a connection is made between touge and drifting when they are NOT the same.

[triplesixrivals240]

see but all those things you named are only going to hurt YOU. however, when you drive like an idiot on a mountain road, there is a chance that you are going to hurt someone else, not just yourself.

You're missing my point. I wasn't using those examples as something competitive against his point, I was listing those as how some people have different aspects on what's right and wrong.

And yes, speeding and jaywalking can hurt someone else, if that's the case.

I see how it is entertaining just how people get hooked by street racing. It is still dangerous but I don't see how a connection is made between touge and drifting when they are NOT the same.

I'm not getting your point entirely.