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NY94J30 wrote:There are 3 remainng scenarios:

1) I finish my research and determine there is no neglignence in entering an intersection on a yellow light. I present that to Geico and see what happens from there.
Never volunteer what the circumstances were, unless asked under oath.Quote »2) I involve my insurance company under my policy, i.e. file a claim with them, they now have a vested interest in going after Geico for indemnification - Not to help me out but to recover the money they paid out when another driver was at fault. They can now bear the burdens of any legal costs - though more than likely my rate increase. [/quote] Your rate should not increase if not at fault. But USAA's primary goal is to cover their losses, not necessarily your perceived losses.Quote »3) I retain an attorney, who works likely for a 1/3 contingency, or possibly negotiated cost (much more difficult to find someone willing to take this dog for fee) and proceed to attempt a settlement or to court. This will be protracted and as I said before I can only either hope that costs are granted or I will need to tack on additional damages to recover a sufficient amount. [/quote] This is your best bet, and if done before speaking with GEICO, you would not consider making any such statement as in 1) above. Expert help is sometimes required.

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I concur with Brian.

Not a bad idea to simply have yourself checked out by a doc, and generate some concern on the part of the ins co. These types of cases don't yield much $$$ for the atty, BUT, then again, they have law clerks work the majority of the case so they don't invest much either. One call will typically stop all the BS about the value of your car.

They're glad to help out and generate the word-of-mouth, since statistically it's almost 100% likely that you or someone you know will be in an accident in the next 5 years.

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I consulted a lawyer, and pretty much I'm screwed. Again, DC being a contributory negligence jurisdiction, he doesn't think anyone will want to risk attempting to put bfore a jury that I have ZERO negligence. If I was even .1% at fault I recover nothing - and he recovers nothing. I agree.

He doesn't think that as a law student I am very sympathetic either. Hmmmm

So I am going to have to go through my insurance company (maybe they indemnify Geico - probably not) and the women who wrecked my J gets off scot-free. Its a travesty, but that's life - you live and you learn.

Only way to get someone to represent me is to tack on a PI suit in addtion to the property damage. As far as a PI suit, I have injuries, but I dont think I'm injured. I will not lie or exagerate in court as a future officer of the court. If someone wanted to proceed with what injuries I legitimately have I would go, but I don't think thats the case.

Thanks to everyone who responded (Brain, Hitman...).

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NY94J30 wrote:I have injuries, but I dont think I'm injured.
???!Well, if you are not being treated, you have no documentation and no case. Be vigilant, because in my case, a pinched nerve in my back did not reveal itself for several days afterwards.

Law students are probably the only group to get more sympathy than attorneys.

DC must have some effed up laws. Sounds like the capitol of victimization. Glad I didn't know about them when I was there in May.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

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Now that that is settled, will you be parting out what is left of the J? Hate to ask such a callous question in your time of mourning, but just wondering.

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Not unless he buys it back from the insurance company, presuming it is totalled.

One thing worse than attorneys - parts vultures.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

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maxnix wrote:???!

Law students are probably the only group to get more sympathy than attorneys.
Here we are sympathetic to elderly women and girl scouts. But good to know WA is sympathetic to ambulance chasers, and soon to be ambulance chasers.
maxnix wrote:
DC must have some effed up laws. Sounds like the capitol of victimization. Glad I didn't know about them when I was there in May.


DC is among 5 contributory negligence states, the others being MD, VA, NC and AL. Therefore, the same will go for my injuries Brian. My PIP will cover them if further treatment is needed, but as for the other driver in a PI suit I would still have to have no fault - which as a jury question appears unlikely. So no sense in sending my company more bills for what at this point appears to be no more than a neck sprain.

If totaled I won't be buying it back, unless someone makes me an offer for it and can get it out of here - this isn't Jersey where you can just put it on blocks in your yard.

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NY94J30 wrote:But this isn't Jersey where you can just put it on blocks in your yard.
Yeah, didn't see too much of that in Georgetown. Of course, they may not be hip to blue tarp technology yet.

Maybe you could join the girl scouts? Surely it's not too late. And you had a load of their cookies in the trunk for your troop's fund drive....

Not being native nor having a "No taxation without representation" license plate probably doesn't help. Maybe an appeal to Hillary will help. After all, she knows a few trial attorneys.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

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Brian,

Just got what you meant about law students getting sympathy. You meant evoking sympathy.

I meant being a sympathetic victim. Law students/lawyers don't make very sympathetic victims.

As for the girl scout cookies. Im gonna need to sell quite a few boxes to get my J back.

I'll sign you up for a few boxes of samoas to start me on my way

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2 good things from this:

1. You didn't spend the money on that servcie, yet.

2. Now you can buy a Q.:D

By the way, I live in AL, and have been down your road, more than once. The key is to get it over with as fast as possible.

Once you are in your new car, it will be a little easier to forget.

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If the value of the car is $8000.00, then the damage would have to be greater than $6,400.00 to total it. If it is close, you might be able to negociate with a rebuilder. The car with a clean title is worth a lot more than with a salvage title.

I got a local Infiniti dealership to give me a quote to repair for less than 80% of the value of the car. The original owner got the check from the insurance company, I covered the 20% value, and I got the car, with a clean title. Here's how I made it work:

Scott's '94 Q was valued at $9,300.00

I got an estimate (For a replacement transmission, oil pan, and catalytic converter) for $7,000.00 The original one, from the dealership had been $9,000.00, but the manager had a lot of unknown costs in there.

I paid Scott the $2,300.00 difference

I had a transmission shop fix it for $1,900.00

I had a mechanic replace the oil pan & exhaust pipe for $1,500.00 And walked away with my Q for $5,700.00

I was going to sell it (I had an offer for $8,500.00), but fell in love after a week of driving it. I hate to admit I was thinking of selling it.

You may not want to go through all that trouble, for your car.

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The value of my car won't be $8000 - $8100 is the KBB retail. $5800 is private. I'll update this thread as the claims process progresses.

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I work for a major personal injury law firm here in Phoenix (Phillips and Lyon - we have the 1-800 injured number in Arizona and have been around since 1977) for the last ten years. I'm also a pre-law student at ASU. I worked for several attorneys in Kansas City for years before coming to Phoenix in 1993.

To clarify several things:

1. Generally a person is entitled to fair market value of their vehicle if it is deemed a total loss. Fair market value has nothing to do with what you owe, or what you generally paid for the vehicle. It is defined as what other comparable vehicles are currently selling for in the open market. Best way to do this is go to autotrader.com and plug in the same year, make and model, then call the results one by one and find out what they sold the vehicle for (if sold) or what they will take for same (if not sold). Average three of them and that pretty much is it. Don't forget to make reasonable adjustments for differences in options, mileage and condition.

2. Keep in mind it is generally up to the insurance company whether to repair or total a vehicle. They will generally do the cheapest option available to them. If your car is worth $8,000 and the initial damage estimate is only $3,000, they will likely repair every time. The closer the initial estimate approaches the fair market value of your vehicle, the easier it is to get it totalled. Sometimes threatening a future diminished resale value claim of your vehicle if they attempt repairs when it is a fairly close call will be enough to get them to total, but under most state's laws, the carrier makes that decision. Not the owner. It fascinates me how somebody else gets to determine what happens to your property but that is the way it is. Remember, as part of this analysis, the carrier considers the likelihood and amount of possible future supplements and the rental cost while your vehicle is in the shop being repaired.

3. In Arizona, as in most states, you have a duty to mitigate your damages if you get into an accident and the other driver's insurance drags their feet. This means you cannot wait, especially if your car is sitting in a tow lot or repair facility, cannot be driven, and/or you need a rental car. In fact, if you fail to mitigate your damages when adverse carrier places you on notice that they are "still investigating" or are denying liability, then they can refuse to pay for storage or ongoing rental expenses. At this point, you must IMMEDIATELY file a claim with your collision coverage (assuming you have it; if not, this mitigation process is somewhat rendered moot) and have your own insurance carrier process the claim. Keep in mind your carrier is immune from diminished value arguments as described in (2) above.

4. With respect to negligence per se, I'm familiar with the general concept, although in Arizona it generally doesn't exist with respect to negligence. We can get a punitive damages verdict if the defendant was impaired by drugs or alcohol, but generally otherwise the plaintiff has the burden of proving, to a preponderance of the evidence, that the def was responsible for causing the accident. Except for certain rare instances of res ipsa acts by a professional (res ipsa = the act speaks for itself), such as a doctor leaving forceps inside a patient post surgery, negligence "per se" does not exist in Arizona. I cannot speak for most other states' laws, but the last time I researched New York's personal injury laws, they had no-fault and compensation was not allowed for pain and suffering unless the injured party sustained severe injuries. I imagine D.C. has similar restrictions, as my research also shows D.C. has no fault. Out here in the wild west, no-fault does not exist thankfully.

5. Generally, the police report is merely a tool to assist in determining liability. Contrary to popular belief, the fact the cop cites the other driver really is of little probative value in a civil tort case and may not even be admissable in the civil trial over the same accident. Criminal law, such as that governing citations by a cop, require a much stronger showing of liability on the part of the plaintiff, which is the cop/state (beyond a reasonable doubt). Cops make mistakes and sometimes cite the wrong person. A much better determiner of fact is an actual eyeball witness. If you don't have any, but think someone may have witnessed the crash, run an ad looking for them. Do not depend on the police report to salvage the matter.

6. I would carefully examine D.C.'s traffic laws. For example, in Arizona, we have a left turn statute that would be helpful to you if the accident occurred here. The pertinent Arizona Revised Statute reads as follows:

28-772. Vehicle turning left at intersectionThe driver of a vehicle within an intersection intending to turn to the left shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is within the intersection or so close to the intersection as to constitute an immediate hazard.

Since most states and jurisdictions follow the model civil traffic codes, it may be this statute is "boilerplate language" and appears in many other jurisdictions. In Arizona, the left turning driver is generally considered at fault, regardless of the color of the light. The only exception is if there was an eyeball witness saying the oncoming vehicle entered the intersection after the light turned red. Certainly if the light is yellow, the left turning vehicle is ALWAYS at fault.

7. This concept of contibutory negligence is downright scary. In Arizona, we follow the comparative negligence rule. Each party will bear the percentage of fault they were assessed at the time of verdict. Therefore, theoretically you could be 99% at fault and still collect one percent of your damages. The risk with that type of gross verdict is that the jury will often swing all the way and go to 100% if you are deemed to be at least 51% at fault. Still, if the jury says you are 70% at fault, you still get 30% of your damages from the other driver. It is most definitely NOT an all or nothing proposition here. Pity that is not available to you there.

8. Most insurance companies will raise your rates if you get into a chargeable accident, generally one where you are at least 51% at fault AND the carrier has to pay out more than $500.

9. Most attorneys locally charge 33% if the matter is concluded through negotiation and 40% if the matter is tried. Due to the advent of the low impact defense and Collossus, we have been litigating more and more cases lately, probably up to forty percent of our total practice. We charge 29% and 37% respectively, and some local attorneys charge 25% and 33% respectively. Keep in mind most fees are negotiable.

I hope this helps. Good luck no matter what happens.

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