Has anyone else taken the test?
I must say it was pretty difficult, don't quite know how I did, but I think I did alright. It was from 8:30am to 2:30pm with one 10 minute break though, so I was exhausted afterward. Hardest section was the "Games" section, not because the material was hard, but because there just wasn't enough time to get it done.
/rant
Nick
Took the LSAT Saturday
Re: (w1ngzer0)
LSAT = Law School Admissions Test
"Games" section = Here's an example:
Each of seven travelers—Norris, Oribe, Paulsen, Rosen, Semonelli, Tan, and Underwood—will be assigned to exactly one of nine airplane seats. The seats are numbered from 1 through 9 and arranged in rows as follows:Front row: 1 2 3Middle row: 4 5 6Last row: 7 8 9Only seats in the same row as each other are immediately beside each other. Seat assignments must meet the following conditions:Oribe’s seat is in the last row.Paulsen’s seat is immediately beside Rosen’s seat and also immediately beside an unassigned seat.Rosen’s seat is in the rowimmediately behind the row in which Norris’ seat is located.Neither Semonelli nor Underwood is seated immediately beside Norris.1. Which one of the following is a pair of travelers whocould be assigned to seats 2 and 8, respectively?(A) Norris, Semonelli(B) Oribe, Underwood(C) Paulsen, Oribe(D) Rosen, Semonelli(E) Underwood, Tan
"Games" section = Here's an example:
Each of seven travelers—Norris, Oribe, Paulsen, Rosen, Semonelli, Tan, and Underwood—will be assigned to exactly one of nine airplane seats. The seats are numbered from 1 through 9 and arranged in rows as follows:Front row: 1 2 3Middle row: 4 5 6Last row: 7 8 9Only seats in the same row as each other are immediately beside each other. Seat assignments must meet the following conditions:Oribe’s seat is in the last row.Paulsen’s seat is immediately beside Rosen’s seat and also immediately beside an unassigned seat.Rosen’s seat is in the rowimmediately behind the row in which Norris’ seat is located.Neither Semonelli nor Underwood is seated immediately beside Norris.1. Which one of the following is a pair of travelers whocould be assigned to seats 2 and 8, respectively?(A) Norris, Semonelli(B) Oribe, Underwood(C) Paulsen, Oribe(D) Rosen, Semonelli(E) Underwood, Tan
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I took it 2 years ago. 3 months of studying all for a 6 hour test. It wasn't really too bad though. I scored 167, which wasn't the 170 I wanted, but still not bad. Let us know how you did when you get the results.
The questions are really pretty simple to answer, anyone can answer all the questions correctly without ever studying for the test if they were given enough time. However, that is the key. TIME. The LSAT tests your critical thinking and problem solving ability in limited time and under pressure. So, what you have to know going into the test and while studying for the test is how to problem solve on the fly. So, you need to study the types of questions that are asked and figure out the easiest and quickest way for you to identify the problem and come up with the quick and proper solution. It takes a little while to get the hang of it, but once you do, the test becomes much easier and more manageable. Another key component of the test is reading comprehension. You must be able to read quickly and sipher through the import pieces of the passage from the meaningless. Another easy thing to do, but you need to practice being able to read, comprehend and remember things quickly. Once you are able to do this quickly, these sections of the test will go really smoothly and quickly.
I think that they now actually score the writing section as part of your actual score. Is that correct? My writing score was never factored into the final score. Also, be aware for those that will be taking the test that there is a section that is just for testing out future questions that they do not factor in to the final score. However, they never let you know which section that is. So, you do much more work and stress much more for things that do not actually factor into how you actually scored on the test.
Good luck to all future LSAT takers. Be prepared for this test. It is very important in getting in to your desired law school. Make sure you read through all the information at the LSAC website http://www.lsac.org/ . Also when applying for law school, make sure to have really good letters of recommendation. They are very important. Good luck.
The questions are really pretty simple to answer, anyone can answer all the questions correctly without ever studying for the test if they were given enough time. However, that is the key. TIME. The LSAT tests your critical thinking and problem solving ability in limited time and under pressure. So, what you have to know going into the test and while studying for the test is how to problem solve on the fly. So, you need to study the types of questions that are asked and figure out the easiest and quickest way for you to identify the problem and come up with the quick and proper solution. It takes a little while to get the hang of it, but once you do, the test becomes much easier and more manageable. Another key component of the test is reading comprehension. You must be able to read quickly and sipher through the import pieces of the passage from the meaningless. Another easy thing to do, but you need to practice being able to read, comprehend and remember things quickly. Once you are able to do this quickly, these sections of the test will go really smoothly and quickly.
I think that they now actually score the writing section as part of your actual score. Is that correct? My writing score was never factored into the final score. Also, be aware for those that will be taking the test that there is a section that is just for testing out future questions that they do not factor in to the final score. However, they never let you know which section that is. So, you do much more work and stress much more for things that do not actually factor into how you actually scored on the test.
Good luck to all future LSAT takers. Be prepared for this test. It is very important in getting in to your desired law school. Make sure you read through all the information at the LSAC website http://www.lsac.org/ . Also when applying for law school, make sure to have really good letters of recommendation. They are very important. Good luck.
Re: (rydwhite)
I wholly agree. The time component is absolutely the key. And the solution to that is to be prepared for they question types. In both the logic games and logical reasoning sections, there are only 5-6 different question types. Being familiar with the types so as get through questions quicker in reasoning and set-up your diagrams quicker in the games is how to maximize time and score.rydwhite wrote:I took it 2 years ago. 3 months of studying all for a 6 hour test. It wasn't really too bad though. I scored 167, which wasn't the 170 I wanted, but still not bad. Let us know how you did when you get the results.
The questions are really pretty simple to answer, anyone can answer all the questions correctly without ever studying for the test if they were given enough time. However, that is the key. TIME. The LSAT tests your critical thinking and problem solving ability in limited time and under pressure. So, what you have to know going into the test and while studying for the test is how to problem solve on the fly. So, you need to study the types of questions that are asked and figure out the easiest and quickest way for you to identify the problem and come up with the quick and proper solution. It takes a little while to get the hang of it, but once you do, the test becomes much easier and more manageable. Another key component of the test is reading comprehension. You must be able to read quickly and sipher through the import pieces of the passage from the meaningless. Another easy thing to do, but you need to practice being able to read, comprehend and remember things quickly. Once you are able to do this quickly, these sections of the test will go really smoothly and quickly.
Ryd, what school are you at? 2L?
Good luck with your score and the application process, man
I'll never have to take that test, but it sounds at least midly entertaining for a test, in a super stressfull kind of way. I used to do logic puzzles like that for recreation when I was younger, I actually subscribed to a magazine that was like 40 pages or logic puzzles like that every month, I loved em.
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I'm in my official first year at Indiana Univerisity at Indianapolis (IUPUI). I've taken a few courses there in the past for my associate degree in paralegal studies, but not as an official law school student. I took a year off after my undergrad to think about what I really wanted to do.NY94J30 wrote:
Ryd, what school are you at? 2L?
I was planning on going to Georgetown since I wanted to be involved in politics, but I had too many good things going on here in Indy to move to D.C. for law school.
I am working on the MBA/JD joint degree in the evenings and working full-time in a mid level executive position at a medical device company at the same time. It keeps me pretty busy, but it isn't as hard as everyone seems to make it out to be.
NY94J30, are you in law school? Where at? It looks like NICO is full of soon-to-be lawyers or at least law students.
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Im a 3L at American. One more semester for my JD and one more after that for my MA in Int'l Politics. I looked at G'Town too, but their program is an MS, and also required that I take the GRE in addition to the LSAT. I had no desire to take another test, so I applied to BU and American - the two programs that allowed consideration to their masters programs based solely on LSAT scores. BU waitlisted me and American offered a vastly better international program than BU, so the choice wasn't hard.rydwhite wrote:
NY94J30, are you in law school? Where at? It looks like NICO is full of soon-to-be lawyers or at least law students.
Did you have to take the GMAT for the MBA program, or were you accepted based on just the LSAT.
I should be around here in November Vicki, send me an email and we can figure something out.
As for taking classes, it kind of depends I guess. The classes will teach you the games and the best way to tackle them. Usually you can figure this out on your own with the help of a couple of good LSAT review books. I didn't take the classes, it may have improved my score a few points, but the cost just didn't seem worth it to me. I know alot of people who swear by the classes though. It just depends on the easiest way for you to learn, classroom or book.
I also highly suggest that you take at least one timed practice exam. They are usually offered several times a year. I found this one of the most helpful things to do. You can take all the practice exams you want from the books, but sitting in a setting with other people taking the timed practice exam is the closest experience to taking the actual LSAT. Very very helpful in my opinion.
Yes I had to take the GMAT or GRE for a joint degree. Basically all I am doing is going to 2 schools for 2 seperate degrees, but offered concurrently and jointly. I am basically enrolled in the IU Kelly School of Business and the Indiana University School of Law at the same time. I don't really start taking MBA courses till next year though. I had to apply to both schools and take both the LSAT and GMAT. Not the easiest way to do things, but it should all help me out later on in my career since I don't actually plan to be a practicing attorney.
As for taking classes, it kind of depends I guess. The classes will teach you the games and the best way to tackle them. Usually you can figure this out on your own with the help of a couple of good LSAT review books. I didn't take the classes, it may have improved my score a few points, but the cost just didn't seem worth it to me. I know alot of people who swear by the classes though. It just depends on the easiest way for you to learn, classroom or book.
I also highly suggest that you take at least one timed practice exam. They are usually offered several times a year. I found this one of the most helpful things to do. You can take all the practice exams you want from the books, but sitting in a setting with other people taking the timed practice exam is the closest experience to taking the actual LSAT. Very very helpful in my opinion.
Yes I had to take the GMAT or GRE for a joint degree. Basically all I am doing is going to 2 schools for 2 seperate degrees, but offered concurrently and jointly. I am basically enrolled in the IU Kelly School of Business and the Indiana University School of Law at the same time. I don't really start taking MBA courses till next year though. I had to apply to both schools and take both the LSAT and GMAT. Not the easiest way to do things, but it should all help me out later on in my career since I don't actually plan to be a practicing attorney.
Re: (rydwhite)
Interesting, this is how our joint degree program works: first year - standard law curriculum, second and third year (remaining requisites at the law school, i.e. crim pro and ethics) and 1 class/sem at the School of International Service. After third year, 9 credits remain in the masters program for most.rydwhite wrote:
Yes I had to take the GMAT or GRE for a joint degree. Basically all I am doing is going to 2 schools for 2 seperate degrees, but offered concurrently and jointly. I am basically enrolled in the IU Kelly School of Business and the Indiana University School of Law at the same time. I don't really start taking MBA courses till next year though. I had to apply to both schools and take both the LSAT and GMAT. Not the easiest way to do things, but it should all help me out later on in my career since I don't actually plan to be a practicing attorney.
Totals: JD 86 credits -6 MA credits that transfer in = 80; MA 36 credits -15 JD credits that transfer in = 21. So, in all, its 101 credits in 7 semesters.