Took an SS Camaro...

[S14tat]

well i'll be the nuetral guy here. i'm not a troll or anything but i like both engines alot.

there are quit a few people who do run 13's in a basically stock SR. when i say basically stock i mean stock turbo but with pretty much all the bolt ons, and drag radials. if you look at their E.T. vs trap speed, they are trapping 101-105 mph which mean depending on chassis and power to weight ratio yes they are making around 230-250whp dependin on if you got the average SR or a freakish one. i've actually seen quit a few freaks making 250whp on bolt ons while a few can only muster up 220whp.

anyways i wouldn't under estimate a SR becasue they have a big range in the numbers they make, however i wouldn't think they're unstopable either becasue of the same reason, just because someone is a hell of a driver or has drag radials or has a freakish SR doesn't mean that everyone can pull off the same results.

my 2 cents.

and on yeah its spelled camaro not camero lol

[bdrifta]

well i'll be the nuetral guy here. i'm not a troll or anything but i like both engines alot.

there are quit a few people who do run 13's in a basically stock SR. when i say basically stock i mean stock turbo but with pretty much all the bolt ons, and drag radials. if you look at their E.T. vs trap speed, they are trapping 101-105 mph which mean depending on chassis and power to weight ratio yes they are making around 230-250whp dependin on if you got the average SR or a freakish one. i've actually seen quit a few freaks making 250whp on bolt ons while a few can only muster up 220whp.

anyways i wouldn't under estimate a SR becasue they have a big range in the numbers they make, however i wouldn't think they're unstopable either becasue of the same reason, just because someone is a hell of a driver or has drag radials or has a freakish SR doesn't mean that everyone can pull off the same results.

my 2 cents.

and on yeah its spelled camaro not camero lol

to be perfectly honost...i was gonnamake mine ka-t untill my motor completly blew, and i was on a short time frame. So i decided to go sr.The ka-t is a really good motor, so is the sr, but i dont understand the point of bragging that your car is soo much faster, when you trying to argue that your engine is better, if you have a huge list of mods, now if i was racing a b20 hatch with intake and exhaust, and he was beating on me, i would be impressed, because thats the engine, not al the performance shi*.

[S14tat]

hahah not so much the engine beat you, but the weightlessness of the hatch that owns. the money spent to make a B20 work right you might as well put in a H22a or a K20a.

and trust me even though i own a ka-t i sometimes what a SR as well. The SR is probrably what will be powering my next 240 project when i'm done with this one.

[spanishricer]

Just wanted to point out that an LT1 and LS1 Camaro are two totally different beasts. While most stock LT1's would put down around 240whp back in the day, the newer LS1's are putting down over 300whp from the showroom floor. With a few bolt ons and a LS6 cam, forget about it, they're over 400whp...

[the_garynator]

I think it was a 98.

btw, just pointing it out, 97 was the last year they put the LT1 in the camaros, so a 98 would have an LS1... if it was an LT1 it would be 97 or older... Anyway, nice win man

[bdrifta]

btw, just pointing it out, 97 was the last year they put the LT1 in the camaros, so a 98 would have an LS1... if it was an LT1 it would be 97 or older... Anyway, nice win man

yea...i found that out later...but the kid said 98 haha, doesn't even know his car. But i met him later and he was arguing it, and it was a 97, we checked the doorjam.

[redfire04svt]

hate to burst bubbles but i doubt you guys are pulling ls'1s modded or not with a t25'd cars.They make well over 300whp with a lid/filter/catback.And will bust into the high 12's @ 108-112 close to stock and with a nice cam/tune go deep into the 12's @ 115-122

[white90esex]

Just wanted to put in my two cents....

My friend had an LS1 transmission. Had SLP intake, flowmasters, and gears. The thing put out 305HP corrected (calculated to sea level).

He took it to the track and ran a 14 flat here in Denver (5280ft roughly)

Another guy I know with an S14 put a notch top (s14 blacktop motor) in his car. Completely stock boost and evertything he ran a 14.3, dont know actual dyno numbers though.

I think it would be possible to keep up or beat an LS1 F-body with an SR with T25 as long as your running 12+ psi.

Ill give you the benifit of the doubt...

oh yeah, and some idiots dont think about power to weight ratios....

310hp at 3500lbs vs 250hp at 2500lbs

-these numbers are based off the stock LS1's crank hp rating and what the crank hp of an SR would be like at roughly 10-12lbs on stock setup

note: nhra says that 100lbs=roughly a .1 (tenth) second

Now if my little spiel isnt enough to convience some of you thick headed people then please, go right ahead and "prove me wronge".

Oh yeah and good job beating an F-Body. Those are me and my brothers (2001 gtp 253rwhp) biggest targets right now cause they are SO DAMN COCKY!
Modified by white90esex at 10:06 AM 7/2/2006

[DrifterProdigy85]

the weight of a Camaro and Firebird doesnt become justified by there power untill a better rear gear is added or alot more power is added. i just ran a Z28 LS1 a month ago with my 2871R at 18psi. Started at 80mph and I instantly pulled away for a 5+ car length lead to 130mph. I would love to have an LS1 in my car though.

[sr20detmaybe]

note: nhra says that 100lbs=roughly a .01 (tenth) second

.1 = tenth .01 = hundredth

[white90esex]

oops, thanks for correcting me.

[nzmoman]

you know the reason many of us get suprised to find out that alot of these American muscle cars are not as quick is because of the beastly nature of the muscle car. I was in a friends Black 2002 Firebird with Ws6, it was very grunty. He changed the rear-end, and added a (Ron-Jeremy cam) and lightened the car ppushing around 400. my stock t25 would keep up with him until about 80-90 where he would pull strickly because of gearing. the roque of these cars makes them seem fast but as some people have already stated they just seem fast, they dont make the really big Hp numbers required to actually make them as fast as they feel

[wildacexxx]

i beat a typhoon the other day. im happy

[nzmoman]

im just saying, alot of SR owners around here think theyre unstoppable. what year LT1 did you go up against? SS camaros run consistent mid 13s (the older ones). you are at stock boost, stock turbo with just a front mount... the best you should possibly run is like a high 13. im not bull****ting you, im just saying its hard to believe.

BTW: what race track did you run at? pretty sure not SAC raceway because its closed for the season

just for the record. PRO DRIVERS run those mid thirteens in the F bodies. Camaro and Firebirds.this forum is NOT a bunch of prodrivers, but many of these amateur drivers are running consistant low thirteens on cars that in most cases are not even properly tuned and relatively stock. It is very easy and common to see S13 turbos manhandle these V8 cars. Those cars are like fat bodybuilders trying to run a marathon, they have a lot of muscle but they aren't quite built for running out of the box because it is no secret that their reliability will decrease. But the potential for those cars is greater than on any s chassis 240 because of the weight of our cars. Once we pass around 300-320 whp, it becomes very hard to get better times without changingth setup for drag, most or us are building drifting cars, and sadly some of us dont even know it.

I am also willing to bet that Ford, Chevy and Dodge make and attempt to regain the streets from the import scene by returning to cars with major power because now they can build with 450+ horsepower and not worry about reliability. They also have good technology in the suspension and tires that was was unavailable before. The current v6 models of some of these cars will be running 260-290 bhp

[drifter_for_life06]

a local guy with a WS6 trans am with headers and straight piped exhaust(i.e. no cats) wants to run with me

what do you guys tihnk it would take for me to run along side if not beat him?

so far all ive got is downpipe exhaust and an intake filter.....smic and once i get the MBC from drifterprodiy10psi

[KoukiS14via]

a local guy with a WS6 trans am with headers and straight piped exhaust(i.e. no cats) wants to run with me

what do you guys tihnk it would take for me to run along side if not beat him?

so far all ive got is downpipe exhaust and an intake filter.....smic and once i get the MBC from drifterprodiy10psi

FMIC, high flow fuel pump, 14psi and cross your fingers.

[drifter_for_life06]

fuel pump - Check

FMIC and more boost - in waiting

[redfire04svt]

unless hes a no driving fool get the beating on tape

[JustinStrife]

Meh. They're just F-bodies.

It's the corvettes you have to watch out for(though they suck at drag racing till 3rd gear). By friend's Z06 is putting 430 to the wheels with just a mild cam, port/polish, and catback. Hell my S13 with the SR isn't as fast as my stock C5 either(the stock C5 auto puts down 310rwhp and 320lb/tq). The SR is fast, and can be made to be alot faster, but a mildly modded Vette would rape us silly.

[KoukiS14via]

Meh. They're just F-bodies.

It's the corvettes you have to watch out for(though they suck at drag racing till 3rd gear). By friend's Z06 is putting 430 to the wheels with just a mild cam, port/polish, and catback. Hell my S13 with the SR isn't as fast as my stock C5 either(the stock C5 auto puts down 310rwhp and 320lb/tq). The SR is fast, and can be made to be alot faster, but a mildly modded Vette would rape us silly.

Actually the f-bodies put out more at the wheels than the stock C5s because of the IRS on the vetts. Stock C5s are putting out around 285-290rwhp while F bodies are getting 300~rwhp.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/...nt=10

The advantage to the vett is the lighter weight, 3200 to the f-bodies 3450. Also, F-bodies have an easier time off the line in a drag race and seem to get better times at the track stock for stock. The average I've seen for F-bodies at the track is between 13.4-13.7 @ 103-104mph on street tires... 12s on slicks...
Modified by KoukiS14via at 11:14 AM 7/11/2006

[redfire04svt]

Meh. They're just F-bodies.

It's the corvettes you have to watch out for(though they suck at drag racing till 3rd gear). By friend's Z06 is putting 430 to the wheels with just a mild cam, port/polish, and catback. Hell my S13 with the SR isn't as fast as my stock C5 either(the stock C5 auto puts down 310rwhp and 320lb/tq). The SR is fast, and can be made to be alot faster, but a mildly modded Vette would rape us silly.

your car must be a freak doing 310 stock on a ls1.All ls1's have amean 3rd gear and a stock fbody cant run a slick on the 10bolt ive seen mild as in lid/filter/cut out car going 110-111 and close to 12:0's wtih a 12bolt or 9inch

[JustinStrife]

A freak? Please. I just spent all Saturday(two weeks ago that is) at an all C5 and C6 Corvette meet up in Oxnard at A & A Corvettes and consistently they are doing 310rwhp. Hell this one kid I know with an LT-1 in his 86' RX7 is putting out 283 rwhp with the stock engine and only exhaust done. That's an LT1.

And where the F-body gets the Vette with the rear ends, is easily made up at the end of the 1/4 mile and beyond.

There's no way a stock C5 is only putting out 285-290 to the wheels when an LT1 from an older F-body can do that.

[redfire04svt]

A freak? Please. I just spent all Saturday(two weeks ago that is) at an all C5 and C6 Corvette meet up in Oxnard at A & A Corvettes and consistently they are doing 310rwhp. Hell this one kid I know with an LT-1 in his 86' RX7 is putting out 283 rwhp with the stock engine and only exhaust done. That's an LT1.

And where the F-body gets the Vette with the rear ends, is easily made up at the end of the 1/4 mile and beyond.

There's no way a stock C5 is only putting out 285-290 to the wheels when an LT1 from an older F-body can do that.

HA a stock lt1 putting down 290?riiiiiiiiiight ls1tech.com buddy read awway

[KoukiS14via]

HA a stock lt1 putting down 290?riiiiiiiiiight ls1tech.com buddy read awway

A freak? Please. I just spent all Saturday(two weeks ago that is) at an all C5 and C6 Corvette meet up in Oxnard at A & A Corvettes and consistently they are doing 310rwhp. Hell this one kid I know with an LT-1 in his 86' RX7 is putting out 283 rwhp with the stock engine and only exhaust done. That's an LT1.

And where the F-body gets the Vette with the rear ends, is easily made up at the end of the 1/4 mile and beyond.

There's no way a stock C5 is only putting out 285-290 to the wheels when an LT1 from an older F-body can do that.

[JustinStrife]

If I hadn't seen it enough times in person, I'd believe that magazine article. But I was just up at A&A Corvette 2 weeks ago.

But whatever. I'm not gonna argue anymore as I own both cars, and can tell you the Corvette is faster. Start throwing a few more pennies at the SR and it'll get faster than a stock LS1 based on weight, but the same can be said for the LS1. Stock for stock, there's no replacement for displacement.
Modified by JustinStrife at 9:51 AM 7/13/2006

[karmakaze]

Stock for stock, there's no replacement for displacement.

except for technology

[wildacexxx]

except for technology

zing!!!

[drifter_for_life06]

bada-bing!

[Kenrik]

My friend with a 285HP SR and a stripped 240 hatch, stayed dead even with a 2005 Z06 upto 130mph.

There is a video somewhere... I need to find it..

Power to weight ratio Owns you!! that is the replacement for displacement...

Look at Formula 1 cars or the Atom and tell me there's no replacement for displacment.

[lt1z28]

double displacement, half the weight.