tomei CA20DET Stroker kit ......available?

[Chinamandrift]

i heard this is discontinued ....is it true?

anyone have any info on this KIT ? GOOD or BAd ? what needs to be done to make it work ? where i can get this kit? how much is it?

i cant find any info on this kit

[rico05]

A Genesis Stage III runs about $9k USD last I checked. According to a Tomei distibuter I know, they quit making the stroker kit, but you can still get Pon/Procams setups. It needs a lot of work to work. Head work depending on cams, lots of bottom end work. I have heard of kits still sitting on shelves in JDM land at little hole in the wall shops, but thye are all NOS, so good luck at that. Just get some CP pistons, look for some GREX/Pauter/etc rods, and boost all you want...for about $2k.

[dat_twinkie]

i think takakaira.com still has them... you might wanna check with them first..

[Chinamandrift]

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[Chinamandrift]

wow i never realized it would cost that much ........its still on the tomei site .....i wounder if they would still make it .......stage 4 has 5 digits in its price hahaha.......hmmm no worries .....i jes wanna make it right if imma take it all apart ...anyone know if the tomei rods come with the bearings ? they dont have seprate bearings listed for the ca18det .......ive been looking around.... bearings seems to be the ca18det's weak point .....price is not a problem to me ....i just want to build a nice, clean, and well running motor so i can beat on without worries

[float_6969]

Don't worry about the motor man. Do a good rebuild and it will take whatever you throw at it. Plan on forged pistons, the rest can pretty much remain stock up to around 300hp. After that look at some forged rods, (though the stock rods are forged already, and I don't know anybody who's bent a CA18DET rod on this forum) ARP hardware, cometic makes a HG now, but the block and head have to be PERFECTLY true and straight. Cams aren't too hard to come by if you're OK with regrinds. If you want new bumpsticks, you'd better start looking now cuz they're hard to come by. That build would support whatever you could throw at it and more.

[BACARDI_DWB]

now float. you say that i small rebuild will take whatevery you throw at it. now what is the max that you have seen? before oil pumps start going and things start flying? has there been someone here that has done a small rebuild and pushed the 700hp envolope? 800? not doubting you. actually you are perfectly right in saying that to any normal user for the ca18det cause most of the normal users wont see the 500hp. (water injection/timing/fuel mapping/matching turbo's/leaded fuel) so on and so on just wondering what has been seen on the CA18DET in the US/austrailia? i know those japanise wake up and wipe hp out of their eyes they have so damn much of it. lol... just wondering what has actually been done.

[rico05]

I hear tell that CP pistons and good fuel (as in well tuned stand alone like SDS, Mircotech, etc), 450-500hp can be done on stock internals. Now, I have no experience with this, this is just what I have gathered from e-search over the years.

The most powerful CAs I know of belong to user "bigtone" (here and on sxoc.com) and a yellow drag CA from japan that made a number of 10 second passes back in th 90s. Bigtone was around 600hp, and the yellow drag CA was at that mark as well IIRC. Remeber: this is a Nissan motor.

[BACARDI_DWB]

any idea what bigtone was using internally? and i do plan on the SDS system. thanks just about what i was wondering. also how are the oil pumps on the CA. i am planning on rebuilding it anyways and sending everything to the cryotreater i have.

[teddy]

I'm not sure what the mod list on big tones car was..but you can see from the pics it was pretty crazy. I know he was using a cpc plenum, but that's the only definite part I can speak of.

It's too bad that car had a bad fire and burned just about everything on it. He does have a new project he's working on though..so look out.

Btw...for the poster who was interested in a 2.0 stroker kit. The norris designs stroker is much cheaper than the tomei. http://www.norrisdesigns.com/

[float_6969]

now float. you say that i small rebuild will take whatevery you throw at it. now what is the max that you have seen? before oil pumps start going and things start flying? has there been someone here that has done a small rebuild and pushed the 700hp envolope? 800? not doubting you. actually you are perfectly right in saying that to any normal user for the ca18det cause most of the normal users wont see the 500hp. (water injection/timing/fuel mapping/matching turbo's/leaded fuel) so on and so on just wondering what has been seen on the CA18DET in the US/austrailia? i know those japanise wake up and wipe hp out of their eyes they have so damn much of it. lol... just wondering what has actually been done.

One of our members, Boost_boy, has done, IIRC, 350hp on a completely stock CA18DET. That was with a T3/T4 and SDS (and supporting fuel and intercooling mods ofcourse). To be honest, nobody that I'm aware of has taken one up till it broke. I would say the pistons would be the first thing to go as they aren't forged. The crank and rods are forged from the factory. I personally wouldn't go past 300hp on the stock pistons on a regular basis. CP makes forged pistons for the CA and they can be had from http://www.raceeng.com. They keep them on hand in stock, .5mm, and 1mm size overbores as well. They are all stock CR of 8.5:1. I can't honestly say at what point the rods need replaced. As I said before, nobody on this forum, that I'm aware of anyway, has ever damaged a rod. As far as oil pumps and the like, I wouldn't be too worried about it. Just get a new one and rest well. The valve train and bottom end, in stock form are fine up to about 8K rpm. You'll need cams to make it worthwhile to take it that high though. After that, I'd plan on new springs and solid lifters. I would say that would get you up to 10/11K with the appropriate cams. At that point I'd start to worry about the crank. I've never seen anybody walk the crank on a CA, but I don't know anybody who's bothered to take it to 11K RPMS either. In all honesty, I wouldn't see much use in wrapping it up that high unless you're building a dyno queen/drag monster and need the revs to make use of a ginormous turbo. Even then, the CA head is pretty tight and trying to get a cam with that much lift to work is going to be a major project. The last thing is the timing belt. They make aftermarket ones that are stronger than OEM. Unless you're planning on spinning the motor up to crazy revs on a regular basis, I don't see much need, just make sure it gets replaced regularly and you'll be fine.

[BACARDI_DWB]

yeah i have talked to boost boy alot. he is really really excited about how much these engines can put out in stock form. i was just a little curious to see what people have done and what has actually blown up cause of power (not tuning errors or lack of knowledge) i am one to know that you have to pay to play and doing it right the first time and being cautious is the way to make RELIABLE horsepower. i am planning on building a 700hp monster with the needs of only 350-400(and that is almost way to much in my 510) thanks for all the awesome information i have probelly read almost every post that the forum has in archives in relation to the CA. 8k is plenty of RPM's for me. pretty much from what i have read

forged pistons/rodsonce over on the headstronger timing beltfuelengine managementstraight and true head/block

all mean gobs and gobs of hp depending on the turbo.

and the manifold is best if your build it for pulses not equal length for spoolup characteristics in MY liking at least..

thanks float.....

[rico05]

http://www.greenline.jp/catalo...ngine

Apparently, the CA20KIT from Tomei on its own is only $2500...

[silvia_ca18det]

from my expierence from tomei for the GOOD ca parts like the rods and stroker kit it will take a LONG time to get them made! i have waited 8 months for rods and still "they are in production" so i have since then gone to crower rods for half the price.....there is a FULL tomei head kit on yahoo japan that was selling for cheap it keeps coming up cuz no one has bought it yet and i have also seen a few ca20 kits on yahoo auctions.....like everyone else said just get big bore pistons up the displacment to 1.9 get good rods and a head gasket and boost the hell out of it! i wanted to do ca20 so bad but got tired of waiting for the right parts to show up and when they did they where double what they really where worth!

[Chinamandrift]

ok well....seem almost liek the 2.0 kit is not even worth its money ...... pistons and rods are not a problem ........since most companies make them ......now i do see a problem for the oil pump .......is there a high performance oil pump available??.......and what about better bearings for the rods/crank ?......ive read many cases where everyone spins bearings or oil pressure not sufficient enough.........other then that the ca is a great motor ......any one have a list of sites that sell ca parts ?

[float_6969]

Most of the people who have had problems with spun bearings haven't rebuilt their motors and were beating on it. A new oil pump with new bearings, a good hot tank of the block, maybe even having the oil passages in the crank cleaned, and you'll be fine. IIRC, I've heard that a company called TOGA makes a high volume oil pump for the CA.

[dattodude]

I've seen shotpeened standard DET rods bend at the piston end. This is on a 190kW engine running 15-20 psi boost.

So it happens.

[BG]

Hey i have been looking at you guys post about the ca18-20 setup. I am thinking about doing this also. I spun a bearing in my ca18 and was getting my crank machined to find out it had an internal crack. It is hard for me to find a crank so i opted for thr ca20 stroker kit from tomei. I wanted to get forged pistons and rods anyway. I am just not sure what all i'll need to do. got any advice? Thanks in advance

[BG]

hey do i need longer conn rods with the tomei ca20 stroker kit, or could i use stock size. ALso would it be a problem if i just converted my bottom into the ca20 now?

[float_6969]

Can you get the 2L Tomei kit? I think there is some company in the the UK that makes a 2L kit as well. As for the rods, it will depend on the maker of the crank, but I would assume a different rod would be needed.

[pnblight]

the Tomei 2.0 litre kit use std size rods just check the web sitehttp://www.greenline.jpBUT you need a different flywheel

I'm currently bulding a ca20dett with a ca20s(nissan) crank which has the same stroke as the tomei unit. Just had my Pauter rods(CA18) turn up and the custom CP pistons are being made as we speak (the pistons are 1.5mm over size and a 2.2mm lower deck hieght and runa 5cc dish in the top to bring compression back to 8.5:1) there are a few things i need to do to make this combo work as it like th tomei runs a different flywheel and the nose dimensions are slightly different but nothing i cant handle.

[float_6969]

So the Tomei crank is a 6 bolt, hunh? Is if fully counter balanced? What about the CA20 crank? How hard is it to come up with a lightweight 6 bolt flywheel?

[pnblight]

I'm yet to look closer into the 6 bolt flywheel arrangement but at a glance looks similar to the gtr stud pattern if not i know of guys in WA making billet flywheel for all sorts of motors so it would be to hard to get custom unit made.(make me wonder if the CA20nissan has same pattern as tomei CA 20 crank) the tomei is fully counter balanced yes. The CA20 nissan is the same as the CA18 only the counter weights have not been lathed down so are a lttle bigger.pete

[float_6969]

I'll bet you're right about the CA20 flywheel's bolt pattern. I wonder if Tomie just copied the CA20 crank? It's odd that it's a 6 bolt pattern.

[ca20det]

holy **** this website is dope!!!http://www.norrisdesigns.com

[pnblight]

http://www.norrisdesigns.com/demo-s13.aspimpressive