Todays handling tip from GRM! EVeryone wanting to slam their car should read!

[Exar-Kun]

"Thou Shalt Not Stray from Recommended Frame HeightsThis can cause binding in the suspension or, at a minimum, cause undesirable suspension geometry. Don't stray too far from home."

..what alan, smith, myself, C_kwick, and dori-dori ahve been saying for a long time.,..

from:http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/repent.html

everyone should subscribe to that mag. It's great.-Chet

[nismofly]

this is great, someday people will learn. i showed this to a kid who insisted that he needed coilovers just to "drop his frame to the ground." im waiting to see what he says. anyway thanks Chet

[turtl631]

Lol good timing, i hope that guy who wants"his frame and exhaust to drag" will see this and stop asking which coils slam the lowest.

[nismofly]

yep thats the same one im talking about, i put a think to this thread in that one, maybe he will see it

[41]

Thanks Turtle and Nismofly. I'm the "kid" that you recommend this to. While that article is great and all. All I wanted to find out was how low the KTS coilovers go. If you take into account of not straying too far from baseline. I guess almost every coilover would be trampling on this rule. The upper level Coilovers like Tanabe DD, Cuso, Zeal Function D and Apex N1s are the ones that go the lowest. Most of them on their highest setting go lower than say a set of Tein HEs on their lowest setting. While I respect alot of what Chet has to say on suspension topics, it's never to be taken as gospel.

I often hear people talk about being dissapointed with their coilovers whether it be ride height or dampening or spring rate or whatever. All I wanted was opinion from folks who know have these shocks and to hear what they say about that particular feature since no one has before. Frame draggin on the ground is figure of speech guys...and don't judge everything everyone says as being juvenile and classify everyone as a "kid".

Thanks

[nismofly]

Thanks Turtle and Nismofly. I'm the "kid" that you recommend this to.

first of all i call almost everyone "kid" out of habit. but anyway im just trying to stop you from doing something your going to regret in the future. i agree that some coilovers may ride real low, but a lot of people have dedicated track cars that they can and do use those coilovers on. its your car and you can do what you want, but you should think about the consequences before you do something you will regret

[aither]

OK, it's ideal to have optimal suspension geometry for every concievable situation, but reality hits, and that costs some considerable time, effort and money, usually beyond the average car fanatic/driveway mechanic. Given the choice between having my car all 4x4, "tastfully" lowered and slammed for a performance application, the cheapest/easiest thing one could do is slam the car. Yes, it will create some bump steer, and yes bushings will bind, and yes roll center is a concern. However, the car's CoG will be low, body roll will be lessened, and combined with the right valving and spring rates, the car should handle very well. Also, it looks cool.

Saying that, I'll work on roll center to the extent possible. I'm currently putting adjustable tie rod ends on my lowered car, and I've looked into several other possibilities for optimizing my susp. geometry. The bottom line of this post (ha!) is that the benefits of lowering a car like a 240 or a Z32 far outweigh the performance consequences (speed bumps are a completely different ordeal).

[BuudWeizErr]

blah blah blah.

thats not what koguchi says. and koguchi is a better drifter than the guys at GRM, so meh!

koguchi: "is your car as low as it can possibly go?"poser fanboi: "welll...."koguchi: "go lower"

[Nismo_Freak]

blah blah blah.

thats not what koguchi says. and koguchi is a better drifter than the guys at GRM, so meh!

koguchi: "is your car as low as it can possibly go?"poser fanboi: "welll...."koguchi: "go lower"

Most scientific answer ev4r!

[Nismo_Freak]

Given the choice between having my car all 4x4, "tastfully" lowered and slammed for a performance application, the cheapest/easiest thing one could do is slam the car. Yes, it will create some bump steer, and yes bushings will bind, and yes roll center is a concern. However, the car's CoG will be low, body roll will be lessened, and combined with the right valving and spring rates, the car should handle very well. Also, it looks cool.

Nothing some SPL PARTS couldn't fix...

/sales pitch hahahah...

[sultan]

i'm on tanabe sustec pro ss, they are dropped as low as they can go. i thought about raising them, but i don't scrape on anything (lowest point is almost 2" from the ground) so i'm not going to worry about it.

[aither]

Nothing some SPL PARTS couldn't fix...

/sales pitch hahahah...

yeah, you'll hear back from me soon enough! I just don't want to represent the broke drifter/awesome car sterotype. Enough people do that already. lol.

[rico05]

Everyday I find more reason to think that Chunki Dori really knows nothing about anything.

Then I watch his vid and see that in fact, he can't drift fo s*** and no one should ever listen to him! MUWAHAHAHAHAH! J/K

In all seriousness: This needs to be a sticky.

[aither]

why? It's pretty well known on the forum that lowering a car has consequences, both good and bad.

[BuudWeizErr]

Everyday I find more reason to think that Chunki Dori really knows nothing about anything.Then I watch his vid and see that in fact, he can't drift fo s*** and no one should ever listen to him! MUWAHAHAHAHAH! J/K

ok, you should shut your mouth right now. go back to riding around on your 205/50/15 bicycle tires that you've been told repeatedly are the wrong size.

[rico05]

Hey Douche-Captian....

READ THE J/K. That means JUST KIDDING. Damn man chill out. I was playing.

And offense intended, but ONCE A-FREAKING-GAIN I HAVE HAD PLENTY OF PEOPLE WITH MORE CREDIBILITY (AND I AM NO LONGER JOKING) OBVIOUS SKILL THAN YOU TELL ME THAT MY TIRES ARE FINE. THEY WORK FOR ME. I LIKE THEM SO GO F%&K YOURSELF.

[rico05]

BTW: Drifting is cool, but there is a big wide world out there beyond drifting. Personally, I prefer grip and I wanted the this particular tire and the only size that I could get it in to effectivly work on my wheels with my suspension was 205/50/15. I did my research and testing and I am solidy confident in my tire selection.

[Hijacker]

like i've always said "there is such a thing as too low" you usually find that by the time you encounter your bump stops

[Chingon]

BTW: Drifting is cool, but there is a big wide world out there beyond drifting. Personally, I prefer grip and I wanted the this particular tire and the only size that I could get it in to effectivly work on my wheels with my suspension was 205/50/15. I did my research and testing and I am solidy confident in my tire selection.

that tire size is perfectly fine for autocross..

[Dori Dori]

Even though GRM is not a drifting magazine, they are a motorsports magazine which primarily focuses on various forms of road racing. Any advice given on the subject of road racing should not be taken lightly by the drift crowd. Not much separates a 'drift car' from a racecar.

BTW, racecar spelled backwords is racecar.

[nismofly]

BTW, racecar spelled backwords is racecar.

haha, having fun?

[sleepyRPS13]

does anyone also noticed the front indp strut civic versus the front doublewish bone civic when lowering it?

[Hijacker]

haha, having fun?

no, but he understands what a palandrum is

[Dori Dori]

no, but he understands what a palandrum is

It's palindrome!

[InsanityInc]

wow, so some great JDMTYTE drifter says you should go as low as possible? Yeah, that's real credible. Honestly, I don't even understand why people who want to drift even work on their suspension, I guess the only real danger is the car rolling, so you would want it really low, but your handling kind of doesn't matter when you drift, considering you're relying completely on torque steer to turn you, which has roughly d!ck to do with your suspension.

[Nismo_Freak]

ok, you should shut your mouth right now. go back to riding around on your 205/50/15 bicycle tires that you've been told repeatedly are the wrong size.

Both of you put your purses down and close your mouths.

[BuudWeizErr]

wow, so some great JDMTYTE drifter says you should go as low as possible? Yeah, that's real credible. Honestly, I don't even understand why people who want to drift even work on their suspension, I guess the only real danger is the car rolling, so you would want it really low, but your handling kind of doesn't matter when you drift, considering you're relying completely on torque steer to turn you, which has roughly d!ck to do with your suspension.

you obviously have no idea what you're talking about in regards to the following:A) driftingB) torque steerC) suspension tuning.

thanks for trying.

[SeVa-S13]

wow, so some great JDMTYTE drifter says you should go as low as possible? Yeah, that's real credible. Honestly, I don't even understand why people who want to drift even work on their suspension, I guess the only real danger is the car rolling, so you would want it really low, but your handling kind of doesn't matter when you drift, considering you're relying completely on torque steer to turn you, which has roughly d!ck to do with your suspension.

I'm no fan of drifting but even so, THAT was hilarious. Honestly, where do you think crap like that up?