To Tein H-TECH Spring Owners...

[07sportm35]

FYI

I have had both Tein H's and Eibachs on my car. I recently sold my Eibachs because they were too low, especially in the front.

I miss the improved handling with the Eibachs but the Tein's have better ride quality. Also, the Tein's are kinda floaty and the rears are higher than the fronts (I don't like this).

So, after taking a good look at the the rear springs I could see that they would fit nicely in the mounts even if you cut them (cut the bottom).

So this is what I did, I took a cutting tool and cut off "1/2" turn. This will lower your rear about .5 inches (1/2 inch) and level the car.

Not only IMO does it look better, the car handles better, is more stable, and no longer floates. Better intial turn in too. Extremely close to the Eibach's in terms of handling but better in terms of people in your car without bottoming out and smoother. As an added bonus you can still can pull up to curbs.

I highly recommend this cheap upgrade.

[07sportm35]

Here is a picture after the upgrade...

[06M4.5]

it would be best to cut the rear rubber seat instead of the spring

[07sportm35]

it would be best to cut the rear rubber seat instead of the spring

First off, let me respond to your statement by saying google any situation where someone has lowered their car that way.

So, I can assume you are being sarcastic. You are being sarcastic because you disagree--so explain yourself(elaborate).

First off let me say there isn't a significant difference in spring rate with a mere 1/2 turn cut. It is also perfectly safe (spring mounts perfectly in rubber mounts).
Like I said, bottom line is the car is MORE stable and rides at least as good as before along with better handling. A win, win situation and cheap(just labor). Takes about an hour.
If you look at a stock sport "M", you'll see there is always a tilt from front to rear. I suspect this has to do with optimum handling characteristics.

Secondly, I have noticed people tend to "mix" springs to accomplish this. This is far more radical and expensive.

Do you own Teins? I didn't think so.

Try to contribute or mind your own business as oppose to pontificating uneducated negativity.

[audtatious]

Dude, come on. No reason to get huffy because someone has a different opinion. It's the internet and this is a users forum.

[07sportm35]

Dude, come on. No reason to get huffy because someone has a different opinion. It's the internet and this is a users forum.

Well first off thanks for explaining to me that is an difference of opinion.

As far as being huffy, I consider it to be far more huffy to come with a statement like that with no contrary argument.

Furthermore I am trying to help as oppose to making wisecracks.

I see many things i disagree with on this site but if i don't have an argument, then i am not going to just shoot someone down.

I don't post here often anymore and will do even less in the future (maybe get banned for my opinion).

It seems admin would rather call me out than the wise-craker.

Check out my past post, I have always tried to help people and have always given people great deals on items I sold.

[06M4.5]

it would be best to cut the rear rubber seat instead of the spring

First off, let me respond to your statement by saying google any situation where someone has lowered their car that way.

So, I can assume you are being sarcastic. You are being sarcastic because you disagree--so explain yourself(elaborate).

First off let me say there isn't a significant difference in spring rate with a mere 1/2 turn cut. It is also perfectly safe (spring mounts perfectly in rubber mounts).
Like I said, bottom line is the car is MORE stable and rides at least as good as before along with better handling. A win, win situation and cheap(just labor). Takes about an hour.
If you look at a stock sport "M", you'll see there is always a tilt from front to rear. I suspect this has to do with optimum handling characteristics.

Secondly, I have noticed people tend to "mix" springs to accomplish this. This is far more radical and expensive.

Do you own Teins? I didn't think so.

Try to contribute or mind your own business as oppose to pontificating uneducated negativity.

I wasn't being sarcastic but if you took it that way it's fine with me (your problem). Most here know I don't act that way. And yes you can go thru all my post if you want.

Just because you don't see it on the internet doesn't mean it can't be done.

Fact:

I did this almost 2yrs ago to my M.
It's better to cut the rubber seat instead of the spring.
I still have my H-tech springs sitting in the garage for about 1yr with the rear rubber seats cut as my back up suspension because I'm on D2 Racing coilover.

[audtatious]

It seems admin would rather call me out than the wise-craker.

Guy made a comment (based on the above it seems he does have first hand experience) and you seemed to go off the deep end. I didn't see anything wrong with his comment to result in your reply. Nobody has accused you of not being helpful either and I actually appreciate the thread for what you did. Take it from there and let's continue without drama please? It seems the last thing anyone was trying to start.

Thanks and have a good evening.

[06M4.5]

here is your internet proof: post #183

http://g35driver.com/forums/brakes-susp ... od-13.html

this was done back in 2009

[audtatious]

I had the opposite issue with H-Techs on my G37. Way too aggressive of a drop. 2.5" front and 2" rear. It did ride smoother than even the stock sport suspension when it was not bottoming out and scraping

[07sportm35]

I wasn't being sarcastic but if you took it that way it's fine with me (your problem). Most here know I don't act that way. And yes you can go thru all my post if you want.

Just because you don't see it on the internet doesn't mean it can't be done.

Fact:

I did this almost 2yrs ago to my M.
It's better to cut the rubber seat instead of the spring.
I still have my H-tech springs sitting in the garage for about 1yr with the rear rubber seats cut as my back up suspension because I'm on D2 Racing coilover.[/quote]

Please accept my sincere apologies. I thought you were just being sarcastic. It's great that you posted an alternative possibly better route. I had no idea the rear upper mounts were that thick.

Out of curiousity, what was used to cut the rubber and make sure you got a flat cut?

Edit: Nevermind. A hacksaw, clamp and vise along with WD-40 I see. Very nice!

[audtatious]

[jhuerto23]

Is it me or does the rear sit lower?

[yosM45]

Is it me or does the rear sit lower?

Yup its lower.

I went htech to get leveled. Front End pitched up is OEM. So cut the spring and go back to oem rake, but lower.

I think the stock drop of the htech is perfect. But that's just my opinion.

[07sportm35]

Yes it is a little lower (I actually ended up doing 3/4 turn). That's why I suggested 1/2 turn. I will say the picture exaggerates it a bit.
I prefer the rear end to be a little lower for the look but mostly for the performance aspect(to each his own).

I know it's hard to believe but the car handles and rides a lot better. Waay more fun to drive. I have never been more happy with the ride quality, the handling, and the look!

06M4.5 has a great suggestion and it is quite a bit easier to get the exact drop desired. If nothing else this thread produced that.

[07sportm35]

Is it me or does the rear sit lower?

Yup its lower.

I went htech to get leveled. Front End pitched up is OEM. So cut the spring and go back to oem rake, but lower.

I think the stock drop of the htech is perfect. But that's just my opinion.

Good observation.

The stock H-TECH drop for me yeilded a slight "dragster" rake which I can't stand.

My girlfriend even noticed the difference in the cars behavior. For some reason the "sport" versions have a rake from front to back. I believe they did this on purpose to balance the cars handling.
Everytime I drive the car I am amazed at the improvement in performance after the rear drop. It now almost feels like it is on rails. Feel of the road is vastly improved. I am a driving enthusiast and have a lot appreciation for everyday handling.

For the fun of it I test drove a Mini cooper the other day. Extremely fun and crazy fast to whip into corners but really lacked the graceful feel and fun of an "M". Made me apprecite the "M" even more.

Taste great, less filling...

[audtatious]

Some of the "rake" is an illusion as it's due to the higher wheel arches of the front. It's one of the reasons people lower their cars in the first place, to get rid of the huge factory wheel gap in the front.

[CPJ LB]

^

...if you like the feel of the springs now, then good choice for you do you have your stock sport wheels to see if the feel and look are even better?? I think your riding on 18"s, right??
have you thought of getting coilovers?? you can customize your drop and damping... I also have a set of H-techs on my ride...sits good -- level. I'm going to coils "one day" I get sooo busy that I just don't have the time....

...btw, if you ever sell your H-techs, remember to tell the buyer they have been 'cut'....just a thought....

[07sportm35]

Mighty presumptuous of you to think I would sell cut springs to a member without telling him (just a thought).

I love your grill and front end. Gorgeous!

I would love coilovers but don't want to spend the money and-I am 100% satisfied with the H-Techs.

My sig is up to date and yes I am on Factory M37 chrome 18's.