I've been having this problem, I cant turn my car all the way because the tires rub on the inner metal wheel wells. So sometimes its hard for me to back out parking lots because I cant turn all the way.
What do you guys think is the problem.
HEres the front wheels/tires specs: 18x9 +11255/35/18
Tires hitting wheel wells.
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Nismo_Freak
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Re: Tires hitting wheel wells. (BomexS13)
I'd have your caster looked at.BomexS13 wrote:I've been having this problem, I cant turn my car all the way because the tires rub on the inner metal wheel wells. So sometimes its hard for me to back out parking lots because I cant turn all the way.
What do you guys think is the problem.
HEres the front wheels/tires specs: 18x9 +11255/35/18
Excessive caster promotes neg. camber gain when you turn, it also moves the wheel forward. I'd bump it back.
Re: Tires hitting wheel wells. (Nismo_Freak)
I thought our 240's liked their caster at 7 degrees positive. Won't bumping it back have adverse effects?
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BuudWeizErr
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Re: Tires hitting wheel wells. (Nismo_Freak)
Is this something that I can do? If so, how? ThxNismo_Freak wrote:
I'd have your caster looked at.
Re: Tires hitting wheel wells. (BomexS13)
here's your problem:
18x9 +11 wheel.
DUH!
Time to roll the fenders or deal with the scrubbing. Caster reduction won't fix your problem, and with an offset wheel that low, I'd really question reducing your caster angle to "fix" the problem you induced by running a wide-low offset wheel on the front end of the car. Reducing caster angle reduces your cars self-centering ability(as well as its feeling at the limit of adhesion..), as does running such a low offset wheel..
what does that mean to you?
Crappy on center feel, poor handling feedback and more hub stress, all of which would be made worse by sliding your caster BACK, not to mention less caster won't make the car handle better...but worse, since negative camber gain would be reduced when you need it most...in a sharp turn.
Anyways. To be honest, that's what you get for using that wheel. You've pushed the outer lip (which is whats kitting) pretty far out relative to stock, and have a taller tire than stock, both of which add ub to strubbing when turning.
Like I said, the only two options you got that are, IMO, propper.:
-Roll the damned fenders and quit bitching, you did this to yourself.-Get a 17x8 +25 front wheel with a 225-45-17 and be happy.
There ya go.-ChetOh, one thing, if your caster is ungodly positive for soem reason, reducing it -may- help. But if it's near stock spec...see above.
18x9 +11 wheel.
DUH!
Time to roll the fenders or deal with the scrubbing. Caster reduction won't fix your problem, and with an offset wheel that low, I'd really question reducing your caster angle to "fix" the problem you induced by running a wide-low offset wheel on the front end of the car. Reducing caster angle reduces your cars self-centering ability(as well as its feeling at the limit of adhesion..), as does running such a low offset wheel..
what does that mean to you?
Crappy on center feel, poor handling feedback and more hub stress, all of which would be made worse by sliding your caster BACK, not to mention less caster won't make the car handle better...but worse, since negative camber gain would be reduced when you need it most...in a sharp turn.
Anyways. To be honest, that's what you get for using that wheel. You've pushed the outer lip (which is whats kitting) pretty far out relative to stock, and have a taller tire than stock, both of which add ub to strubbing when turning.
Like I said, the only two options you got that are, IMO, propper.:
-Roll the damned fenders and quit bitching, you did this to yourself.-Get a 17x8 +25 front wheel with a 225-45-17 and be happy.
There ya go.-ChetOh, one thing, if your caster is ungodly positive for soem reason, reducing it -may- help. But if it's near stock spec...see above.
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BuudWeizErr
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he has fender flares.
he can't run sissy sized wheels. personally, i'd have put an 18x9 +11 on a stock fender with -3 camber and 225/40/18 but thats me.
rolling the fenders won't do anything either. he said it's rubbing on the inside of the well. also, those are FRP flares, you can't roll them you have to grind down the edge if there is an inner fender lip.
he can't run sissy sized wheels. personally, i'd have put an 18x9 +11 on a stock fender with -3 camber and 225/40/18 but thats me.
rolling the fenders won't do anything either. he said it's rubbing on the inside of the well. also, those are FRP flares, you can't roll them you have to grind down the edge if there is an inner fender lip.
Re: Tires hitting wheel wells. (Exar-Kun)
Roll my fenders? Its obvious in my sig that I have wide flares. The wells are cut to accomodate the wide wheels. The tires are hitting the bottom part of the wheel wells close to the side skirts. FYI the car already came with the damn wide wheels and flares when I bought it.Exar-Kun wrote:here's your problem:
18x9 +11 wheel.
DUH!
Time to roll the fenders or deal with the scrubbing. Caster reduction won't fix your problem, and with an offset wheel that low, I'd really question reducing your caster angle to "fix" the problem you induced by running a wide-low offset wheel on the front end of the car. Reducing caster angle reduces your cars self-centering ability(as well as its feeling at the limit of adhesion..), as does running such a low offset wheel..
what does that mean to you?
Crappy on center feel, poor handling feedback and more hub stress, all of which would be made worse by sliding your caster BACK, not to mention less caster won't make the car handle better...but worse, since negative camber gain would be reduced when you need it most...in a sharp turn.
Anyways. To be honest, that's what you get for using that wheel. You've pushed the outer lip (which is whats kitting) pretty far out relative to stock, and have a taller tire than stock, both of which add ub to strubbing when turning.
Like I said, the only two options you got that are, IMO, propper.:
-Roll the damned fenders and quit bitching, you did this to yourself.-Get a 17x8 +25 front wheel with a 225-45-17 and be happy.
There ya go.-ChetOh, one thing, if your caster is ungodly positive for soem reason, reducing it -may- help. But if it's near stock spec...see above.
Re: (SmithSR)
neither of you grasp what I said.I completely understand where the wheel/tire is hitting.I see your flares, those do nothing to accomidate that wide of a wheel as far as what happens when you turn your steering wheel.
Have fun fixing it until you learn.
I'm done here.
-Chetalso, when did a propper sized wheel become sissy?
Have fun fixing it until you learn.
I'm done here.
-Chetalso, when did a propper sized wheel become sissy?
Re: (SmithSR)
What size should I get? ThxSmithSR wrote:255/35 is too wide
Re: (Exar-Kun)
Dude, seems like you have issues. Dont take it out on me. From your first post, you already sound like you have a problem with me. What teh hell did I do to you?Exar-Kun wrote:neither of you grasp what I said.I completely understand where the wheel/tire is hitting.I see your flares, those do nothing to accomidate that wide of a wheel as far as what happens when you turn your steering wheel.
Have fun fixing it until you learn.
I'm done here.
Re: (ChunkiDori)
Thanks Ryan.ChunkiDori wrote:225/40/18
Re: (BomexS13)
I'll illustrate it.
These are my wheels, slightly turned:
They still come within 3/4" of hitting the front fender
shot from the top
Now. Those are 17x7.5 30mm offset wheels. If you look at how the wheel turns(note I measured during turning I had abour 20mm or a little less than 1" clearance at any time, sometimes less, sometimes more), and add another 38mm worth of wheel lip on the outside ALONE, not including tire, and you can see it would hit the lower part of the fender when turning. THIS is what I am trying to explain to you. the lip on those wheels is far out enough its going to hit during hard turns. Hence why you'll need to roll the fenders.
Does that make more sense?
I don't have "issues" except with the current trend of 'performance' with such hugely wide and problematic wheels. Like I said before its myth propogated by people unwilling to educate themselves or invest the kind of time and money required to make it work correctly.
I'll be uploading some stuff shortly that shows more in depth WHY this is a problem.
On a side note, I do love the way your car looks, it's bad-*** looking.I got a lot of respect for how you did it up, but I'm just being honest on whats wrong and how to fix it.
also, side thanks to ryan for his uploader since Mark wasn't online.
-Chet
These are my wheels, slightly turned:
They still come within 3/4" of hitting the front fender
shot from the top
Now. Those are 17x7.5 30mm offset wheels. If you look at how the wheel turns(note I measured during turning I had abour 20mm or a little less than 1" clearance at any time, sometimes less, sometimes more), and add another 38mm worth of wheel lip on the outside ALONE, not including tire, and you can see it would hit the lower part of the fender when turning. THIS is what I am trying to explain to you. the lip on those wheels is far out enough its going to hit during hard turns. Hence why you'll need to roll the fenders.
Does that make more sense?
I don't have "issues" except with the current trend of 'performance' with such hugely wide and problematic wheels. Like I said before its myth propogated by people unwilling to educate themselves or invest the kind of time and money required to make it work correctly.
I'll be uploading some stuff shortly that shows more in depth WHY this is a problem.
On a side note, I do love the way your car looks, it's bad-*** looking.I got a lot of respect for how you did it up, but I'm just being honest on whats wrong and how to fix it.
also, side thanks to ryan for his uploader since Mark wasn't online.
-Chet
Thanks for the time taking pictures. Looking at your pics, its seems like you're talking about the wheels hitting the front fender. Im talking about the other side of the wells towards the side skirts.
I dont have the plastic wheel wells anymore. The area where the tire is rubbing is around the inner well area from the side skirts.
If Im at home rightnow I could take pics for you to see.
I dont have the plastic wheel wells anymore. The area where the tire is rubbing is around the inner well area from the side skirts.
If Im at home rightnow I could take pics for you to see.
Re: (BomexS13)
No biggie.
It works for the rear too, just turn it the opposite direction.
is it the outer tire or inner thats hitting? I assume the outer, if so..its due to that exta 40+mm of lip extending out with those wheels...
-Chet
It works for the rear too, just turn it the opposite direction.
is it the outer tire or inner thats hitting? I assume the outer, if so..its due to that exta 40+mm of lip extending out with those wheels...
-Chet
Re: (Exar-Kun)
outer.Exar-Kun wrote:No biggie.
It works for the rear too, just turn it the opposite direction.
is it the outer tire or inner thats hitting? I assume the outer, if so..its due to that exta 40+mm of lip extending out with those wheels...
-Chet
I know a guy thats running 18x9.5 +3 Work Meisters which is a lot worse than mine. He's able to drift his car and turn his wheels all the way w/o rubbing.
Re: (BomexS13)
Did he roll his fender?
what else have you done suspension wise to your car? Did you use S14 spindles by chance?
what else have you done suspension wise to your car? Did you use S14 spindles by chance?
Re: (Exar-Kun)
I asked the previous owner, he doesnt know what the mechanic installed. Besides the Tein HE's I have Tein tension rods, nismo power brace.Exar-Kun wrote:Did he roll his fender?
what else have you done suspension wise to your car? Did you use S14 spindles by chance?
WIll the S14 spindles cause the problem?
Re: (Exar-Kun)
the guy IM talking about is the guy the used to own that car in your sig(JDMRICE1). He's name is Richard, you know him?Exar-Kun wrote:Did he roll his fender?
what else have you done suspension wise to your car? Did you use S14 spindles by chance?
Re: (BaliLover)
the s14 spindles move the wheel and tire assembly out even more than stock (10mm IIRC), so they can cause rubbing problems.
It's odd someone could run such a wide wheel and NOT have rubbing problems. The sheer ammount of times i've had to bend/remove fenders or cut them and put in flares when a pickup or old muscle car owner went to a wide & low offset wheels for the exact reasons you're describing is a fair share.
I know Jeff at Balanced Performance had to roll the fenders on a supra for the same reasons (hitting near the side skirts) because it was running a 10.5" wide front wheel....
I don't know what to tell you at this point man. Check your caster and see what it's sitting at.....if its waaaay negative, that may be your problem. is it both sides that are hitting or just one?
I take it the gentelmen from Togue Factory ahsn't rolled the fenders either, right?
It's odd someone could run such a wide wheel and NOT have rubbing problems. The sheer ammount of times i've had to bend/remove fenders or cut them and put in flares when a pickup or old muscle car owner went to a wide & low offset wheels for the exact reasons you're describing is a fair share.
I know Jeff at Balanced Performance had to roll the fenders on a supra for the same reasons (hitting near the side skirts) because it was running a 10.5" wide front wheel....
I don't know what to tell you at this point man. Check your caster and see what it's sitting at.....if its waaaay negative, that may be your problem. is it both sides that are hitting or just one?
I take it the gentelmen from Togue Factory ahsn't rolled the fenders either, right?