tires any good?
tires any good?
i was looking ant the kumho ecsta supra 712s and i was wondering if thay where any good i just got a set of 17s and i want tires so i can put them on so any feed back on them is welcomed
dude kumho R teh suck.
they're cheap tire in a expensive size. something gotta give. they use a hard compound(yeah I dont wnana hear any 'ITS Z RATED!' bull**** either...), and their "roundness" sucks ***..... too much bad karma against kumho....I'lls tick to those 2 main points. if you want a cheap tire in that expensive 17" or 17" size..well....go ahead, but I say "if you cant afford the good tires to go with the rims, you shouldnt have bought the rims!"
best bet for a good high-po-tire for the money would be something like a yokohama AVS ES100 or Parada(depending on the size)....
I work at a tire place (NTB) I deal with tires day in, day out....its all I do....gimmeyour size and I can tell you what tires you should look at based on the following:1. size2. price range3. how agressive do you drive?4. put these in descending order(most important first)-ride quality (softness, comfort, noise..)-dry grip-wet grip-longitivity(how long it will last)
get those straight, I can recomend you a tire. -chet(spelling errors out the wazoo, but I bet you guys got the point)
they're cheap tire in a expensive size. something gotta give. they use a hard compound(yeah I dont wnana hear any 'ITS Z RATED!' bull**** either...), and their "roundness" sucks ***..... too much bad karma against kumho....I'lls tick to those 2 main points. if you want a cheap tire in that expensive 17" or 17" size..well....go ahead, but I say "if you cant afford the good tires to go with the rims, you shouldnt have bought the rims!"
best bet for a good high-po-tire for the money would be something like a yokohama AVS ES100 or Parada(depending on the size)....
I work at a tire place (NTB) I deal with tires day in, day out....its all I do....gimmeyour size and I can tell you what tires you should look at based on the following:1. size2. price range3. how agressive do you drive?4. put these in descending order(most important first)-ride quality (softness, comfort, noise..)-dry grip-wet grip-longitivity(how long it will last)
get those straight, I can recomend you a tire. -chet(spelling errors out the wazoo, but I bet you guys got the point)
Z rated tires can be either soft or hard.
The rating is more a function of the quality and construction of the tires carcass than the softness or hardness of the rubber.
It may be a bit easier to make a Z rated w/ a harder compound but most cases Z ratings are on performance tires which tend to be softer of course.
Fred...
The rating is more a function of the quality and construction of the tires carcass than the softness or hardness of the rubber.
It may be a bit easier to make a Z rated w/ a harder compound but most cases Z ratings are on performance tires which tend to be softer of course.
Fred...
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Exar-Kun wrote:oh well, all in all, best bang for buck:yokohama parada sepc-2 or AVS es-100nitto nt-555pirelli p7000
those would be my top 3 "best for the money" picks...-chet
Personally I would take the Kumhos over the p7000. Based on info from TireRack, the Kumho is rated as a better tire as well. The parada spec-2 is a great tire if you can find it in the size you need. As for the Nittos, I have no experience with them. For the money, Kumhos are a fantastic tire. Spend an extra $20 a tire and you can have a better tire, but that holds true for just about everything. Of course, with more stickiness comes lower tread-life, but that should be a given.
"info from tire rack"...
dude I order from them all the time. kumhos are NOT the great thing everoyn thinks they are...sure they're great if its the first set of cheap Z-rates you got...but the p7000's handle much better....I mean...MUCH BETTER. esppecially at the limit...and they're round...you know...like a tire should be.
and yeah, Im biased by having to deal with kumho ride complaint **** from people all day "I got a jaguar/mercedes/audi/civic si, and my car vibes and rides rough"
well sure enough we take the ****ing kumhos off and spin them...hop like crazy on the ballancer....
but hey, if they work for you...great...but I;'d wager its because you've never had experiance with the other tires like the p7000. and more stickyness does not necesarily sacrafice treadlife in the traditional sense, you can get a grippier longer lasting tire...
but if you waat a soft compound(say for cooler climates), you will give up a lot of treadlife. michelins pilot sport A/S is a great example of a sticky all season tire that lasts a long time(although an expensive one) if the company knows how to manipulate the compounds well enough that it uses in the tires, you cna get a real well gripping decent life tire...but hey, thats why you pay the extra 20 dollars a tire.
-chetwow long post, just got back from work, put on a set of yokohama ES100 onto a m3, guy loves them.
dude I order from them all the time. kumhos are NOT the great thing everoyn thinks they are...sure they're great if its the first set of cheap Z-rates you got...but the p7000's handle much better....I mean...MUCH BETTER. esppecially at the limit...and they're round...you know...like a tire should be.
and yeah, Im biased by having to deal with kumho ride complaint **** from people all day "I got a jaguar/mercedes/audi/civic si, and my car vibes and rides rough"
well sure enough we take the ****ing kumhos off and spin them...hop like crazy on the ballancer....
but hey, if they work for you...great...but I;'d wager its because you've never had experiance with the other tires like the p7000. and more stickyness does not necesarily sacrafice treadlife in the traditional sense, you can get a grippier longer lasting tire...
but if you waat a soft compound(say for cooler climates), you will give up a lot of treadlife. michelins pilot sport A/S is a great example of a sticky all season tire that lasts a long time(although an expensive one) if the company knows how to manipulate the compounds well enough that it uses in the tires, you cna get a real well gripping decent life tire...but hey, thats why you pay the extra 20 dollars a tire.
-chetwow long post, just got back from work, put on a set of yokohama ES100 onto a m3, guy loves them.