Tire wear unevenly HELP

[tightvpkid]

I just lowered my car with the tein flex a few months ago not sure if this was occring before or after but my wire for the back is wearing out really quick unevenly. I did the alignment and the rear was like 1.2 and 1.5 which is back into spec and the fornts were off by like 2.4 and 3, but for some reason my back is wearing out quick but only on one side. What can this be? i have the toe and camber added(which should adjust the rear right) as well when the suspension was put in. Please let me know what can it be. Must it be the alignment? front

rear

[Kenrik]

Buy high tread rated tires 350+ and rotate ever 5k.

BTW I see cupping on the tires.. that means your alignment is off.

[champagneG35]

Did I miss a change in design ? He has a coupe according to his info under his name. I can't speak for all years but my 03 is staggered stock with smaller tires in the front and larger ones in the rear and they are directional so rotating them is not an option as it will then be rotating on the car in the wrong direction. Unless you were to take the tires and mount them backwards on the wheel and then rotate it to the other side then it will be rotating in the proper direction but on the other side of the car (I dont recommend this however as it is wearing that way for a reason whatever reason that may be and if you were to put it on the other side you wont have as much traction because the wear angle is worn to the other side. Looking at his photos if he were to do that on his current rear tires with it's current state of adjustment he'd lose a little contact on the inside portion of the tire until it wore back down to match)

PS. FWIW My rear tires on average will wear down about 2 times as fast as the front and in my opinion it's due to the fact it's rear wheel drive and a max performance summer tire. [edit:] Sedans will find their tires lasting much longer than coups will. No way to get around this unless you change the type of tires a coupe has to something in the UHP or lower category and look for treadwear numbers higher than say 300 AAA (like say the goodyear eagle F1 All Season Which has 420 AAA) and take out the factory camber. But doing this will take the fun away. Just my 2 cents
Modified by champagneG35 at 6:01 AM 12/13/2007

[telcoman]

I just lowered my car with the tein flex a few months ago not sure if this was occring before or after but my wire for the back is wearing out really quick unevenly. I did the alignment and the rear was like 1.2 and 1.5 which is back into spec and the fornts were off by like 2.4 and 3, but for some reason my back is wearing out quick but only on one side. What can this be? i have the toe and camber added(which should adjust the rear right) as well when the suspension was put in. Please let me know what can it be. Must it be the alignment? front

rear

I have almost 45k miles on my original tires. I've rotated them every 7500 miles and they are still in good shape with no signs of any abnormal wear. I'm sure I can get at least 10k more miles out of them.

Don't take this the wrong way but why would you want to modify the suspension and handling of a brand new vehicle by lowering it? Even with alignment it may not solve your unusual tire wear problem.?

IMHO, put it back to stock and put new tires with alignment and see if the problem goes away? If not then let the dealer fix it under warranty.

Telcoman

[Kenrik]

The coupe comes with negative camber stock + you lowered it. You will always have uneven wear, You can get a camber kit front and back ($600 or so) and take out all of the negative camber but then you will loose some handling.

The real fix is to get it back to stock camber, then rotate your tires every 5k (Yes by taking them off the wheel and remounting.. it's the only way)

And again I will tell you this.. you have cupping on your tires I would bet that you need an alignment maybe not for Camber but for Toe.

Getting a harder compound tire will help a lot. I had almost the same issue with a set of Dunlops that only lasted me 10k miles.. I switched to a harder compound tire and got an alignment now I'm already at 10k on the tires and they still look new.

It's very important to get an alignment from someone who is used to dealing with High performance and lowered cars! 99% of the time a place like Pep Boys will screw up on alignments if it's not stock and slow.

[joe603]

The coupe will wear faster than the sedan...the price to pay for better handling.

[rydwhite]

Any minor change in the camber and the tires are shot. I had a pair of rears that looked similar and it was a camber issue. Fixed the camber, fixed the problem.

[04G356MT]

sorry to be off topic but i cant help but to ask telco why hes so anti mod. i dont wanna start anything just a question everytime i see him posts he asks why someone mods thier car and tells them to put it back to stock. i understand the reasoning behind this but me being a person who enjoys taking a stock car and modding it to be my own and not just another G on the street understand why most people enjoy modding... sorry about going off topic, but from the pics it looks like your camber is off alot in the rear, maybe some minor toe adjustments too

[joe603]

I love telcoman He's old school (read old fart). You could learn a lot from him young padawon...lol

[C-Kwik]

A little bit of excess negative camber by itself doesn't add nearly the amount of wear as an out of spec toe alignment. Poor toe alignment settings coupled with camber makes for a really bad day.

I would have the alignment checked. I suspect your toe is out of spec...

[Kenrik]

A little bit of excess negative camber by itself doesn't add nearly the amount of wear as an out of spec toe alignment. Poor toe alignment settings coupled with camber makes for a really bad day.

I would have the alignment checked. I suspect your toe is out of spec...

Thank you for agreeing with me! I also think it's the toe. See my above post.

Whoever aligned his car did a crappy job.

[telcoman]

sorry to be off topic but i cant help but to ask telco why hes so anti mod. i dont wanna start anything just a question everytime i see him posts he asks why someone mods thier car and tells them to put it back to stock. i understand the reasoning behind this but me being a person who enjoys taking a stock car and modding it to be my own and not just another G on the street understand why most people enjoy modding... sorry about going off topic, but from the pics it looks like your camber is off alot in the rear, maybe some minor toe adjustments too

It's not that I'm anti mod, but I am an old farht. I'm just trying to offer a difference of opinion to some of the younger members that are spending a lot of money and screwing up their vehicle in the process. Modern automobiles are complicated enough without modifications. It seems to me many are modifying without realizing the resulting complications. You then can't go back to the dealer and complain. I did do some modifications many years ago on my old 55 Chevy stick. It was a 3 speed on the column with an AM radio and heater.

I am considering a my first mod. An built in dash Alpine Navigation?

Telcoman

[telcoman]

I love telcoman He's old school (read old fart). You could learn a lot from him young padawon...lol

Thanks Joe.

One of the mistakes that I made in my younger days was that I pissed too much money away on needless stuff. The G is a great automobile but I have a hard time understanding why some are spending so much money on what is a depreciating chunk of metal? Especially if they are leasing it.I try to impress on some of the younger members on this site that putting that money in a IRA or 401K plan is a preferable alternative. When they become an old farht like me they'll still be able to afford a new car. SO WHAT if some old lady in a Ford Pinto or an AMC Gremlin gets to the next traffic light ahead of you.

Telcoman

[telcoman]

I love telcoman He's old school (read old fart). You could learn a lot from him young padawon...lol

http://www.musicforte.com/song...52904

Couldn't find the one by The Medallions which is better

[G_whizz]

+1 for Telco... a VERY valued member here at NICO!

[tightvpkid]

Hey everyone, i totally agree i think it is the camber and toe. Its probably moved on me. I had kinetix camber and toe. How good are these? im thinking abotu switching to spc since they are moving on me after my initial alignment whent he suspension was swaped out. Also are these tires still good to be used after alignment or should i be looking into new ones? And what kind fo tires are good out there that will last much longer than OEM? thanks. for the reply everyone

[smockers83]

Umm, you definitely want new tires. There's no tread! I can't imagine driving that car when the roads are wet, that back end has to be all over the place.

I'm with telco on putting the money away in a retirement fund. I'm a young dude, too, an aspiring financial adviser, and I can't tell you how much it befuddles me how much people get into debt or just spend on useless stuff until their paycheck is depleted and wait until the next one. The difference between starting a fund at the age of 21 and 23 is millions at time of retirement.

Telco, good song selection. I think we should have a theme song for each thread from now on.

[tightvpkid]

but it should be ok to drive if the road is dry though rigth? i have a del sol i commute with so is it ok to push these tires until after summer if it doesn;t see rain?

[C-Kwik]

but it should be ok to drive if the road is dry though rigth? i have a del sol i commute with so is it ok to push these tires until after summer if it doesn;t see rain?

I would replace them. It only takes a puddle of water to cause a loss of control. And unlike rain, you may not be able to see it until it is too late. Looks like you really only need the rear ones anyways. It's really not a lot of money for the peace of mind...

[C-Kwik]

I'm with telco on putting the money away in a retirement fund. I'm a young dude, too, an aspiring financial adviser, and I can't tell you how much it befuddles me how much people get into debt or just spend on useless stuff until their paycheck is depleted and wait until the next one. The difference between starting a fund at the age of 21 and 23 is millions at time of retirement.

You assume some of us plan to make it to retirement. I'll probably die of a stroke from my eating habits or in a fiery blaze from my driving habits. No retirement needed.

[champagneG35]

Hey everyone, i totally agree i think it is the camber and toe. Its probably moved on me. I had kinetix camber and toe. How good are these? im thinking abotu switching to spc since they are moving on me after my initial alignment whent he suspension was swaped out. Also are these tires still good to be used after alignment or should i be looking into new ones? And what kind fo tires are good out there that will last much longer than OEM? thanks. for the reply everyone

Go here http://www.tirerack.com you can do comparisons against oem equipment for anything you want to improve on there are some really good tires that are cheaper and handle close to original or better with more tread life. For instance I just ordered 2 Dunlop Sport Maxx tires for the rear of my coupe (unfortunately though to date they don't make this tire for the front of the 03 coupes with the 18" wheels) they rank slightly higher than the stock ones but yet have a longer treadlife.

[G_whizz]

You assume some of us plan to make it to retirement. I'll probably die of a stroke from my eating habits or in a fiery blaze from my driving habits. No retirement needed.

Ummm... I'm gonna knock on wood for ya CK.... we like having you here!

[04G356MT]

lol i totally understand what Telco is saying as im in the military and have started my 401k and several others while ive been in and respect what he says as he has been around longer than i, and i TOTALLY understand what he means by pissing away money into hunk of metal as i have wrapped thousands of dollars around a pole or another car, but moding is my comfort zone lol... something im good at and enjoy

[telcoman]

http://www.musicforte.com/song...52904

Couldn't find the one by The Medallions which is better

Maybe some of the younger members can assist in downloading these car songs?

http://www.rhino.com/store/Pro...75688

Telcoman

[Kenrik]

Dunlop sport max tires are awful.. Trust me I had a set on my coupe and they were far from great..

[champagneG35]

Dunlop sport max tires are awful.. Trust me I had a set on my coupe and they were far from great..

I guess I'll find out then shortly ...I sure hope not . tirerack's normaly pretty good at rating handling and what not.

According to them they're pretty damn good in comparison click on thumbnail ~~~~>

P.S. Can I ask what you disliked about them ?
Modified by champagneG35 at 1:12 AM 1/1/2008

[champagneG35]

Kenrik ?