Tire Size w/ 17x9 +20 FN's

[Luke]

Ok, I plan to buy a set of 4 17x9 +20 FN's and i'm trying to decide what tires to use. From what I gather from searching, the 17x9 is a tight fit and will need fender rolling. What would you guys recommend for street/occaisional track use?

I was looking at the Yokohama AVS ES100 tires in 245/40/17 as a good fit. Should I get that or something less wide like 235/40/17 to make fitment easier. I would like to keep all 4 the same size, unless it will have an adverse affect on handling (understeer). Any opinions are appreciated.

S13 CoupeStreet/Occaisional autox and trackKYB AGX/Tein S-techs will be installed at the same time

[Luke]

This pic here is what provoked my question:http://home.comcast.net/~sirdoc99/DCP_0667.JPG

He said he is running a 235/45/17 tire and that looks really tight. I'm afraid if I got a 245/40/17 it would square the tire out and create a bigger rubbing problem.

I'm a noob w/ tire and suspension so someone clear this up before I spend my hard earned $ on it. Research on forums is frustrating sometimes because of so much opinion and misinformation.

[Atomic-S14]

i wanna know about this too

BUMP! =)

[SmithSR]

At full size that picture, it looks as though the tire and wheel assy is actually sticking OUT from under the car, and the tire is stretched enough to bring the shoulder of the tread back in line with the fender.If that's the case then the man to ask is Chmercer.Also, consider that the location of the top edge of the tire is dictated by camber. Camber is adjustable and often times a guy will alter camber for the sole purpose of appearance and flush fit.One could take a big tire, say, 245/40-17 and dump it onto a 9" +15, then dial in all the negative camber his factory eccentric bolt will allow and it'll look flush after some tweak/adjusting.

There's more to it as far as what could you fit as the car sits now, to make a tire look flush, and it's been covered a few times very recently. Keep up the search and wait for Chmercer to reply

[Luke]

hmmm, my suspension is going to be a spring/shock setup where i don't think i'll be able to adjust camber..

[sixxdeuce]

240's come stock with eccentric bolts on the rear upper control arms, some people with mild setups find they provide enough camber adjustment. If you have the need for tires that large and they are rubbing your fenders you could either roll them(shouldnt need a pull for those wheels) or buy some aftermarket rucas and have real camber adjustment as well as lose some crap rubber bushings.

If it were me I would run 215/45/17's on them. I ran a shop car yesterday with that same size falken azenis st115's on an sr hatch at 10psi and it had plenty of grip.

[onosqv]

If it were me I would run 215/45/17's on them. I ran a shop car yesterday with that same size falken azenis st115's on an sr hatch at 10psi and it had plenty of grip.

HAHA, yes, I've heard of at least 1 person who has run 215/45's on their 9" rim ok.

I'll be running 225/40 on my 9" rim because it's what I have available right now. I'll post pics once that is done (probably at least a couple more weeks gathering money for rims and time for install and so forth).

***EDIT: oops, should be 225/40, not 225/45 - small details
Modified by brokeAs240sx at 10:31 PM 5/31/2005

[Luke]

Why do people stretch skinny tires on a wide wheel? If i was into drifting then maybe, but it's not practical on a daily driver.

[onosqv]

Why do people stretch skinny tires on a wide wheel? If i was into drifting then maybe, but it's not practical on a daily driver.

Partly to run a certain rim w/o having to do spacers to clear the inside strut (usually coilovers), or having to pull the fender too much, or need to have too much negative camber.

I'm running it partially for those reasons, and because I have nearly new 225/40's

[sixxdeuce]

As already stated, for a wheel that fits nice keeping camber and pulling in mind. A WHEEL that is really truly flush will need a somewhat stretched tire to avoid rubbing without tons and tons of camber and pulling past what stock metal can take, some people put a wide buldging TIRE on a narrow wheel and claim flushness, ehh kinda........

225/45 is definatly cool on a 9" wheel, not a big stretch at all, I know guys running that size on the 17x10 fn's, daily driven, and hard track use, zero problems.

[sixxdeuce]

Why do people stretch skinny tires on a wide wheel? If i was into drifting then maybe, but it's not practical on a daily driver.

Maybe not practical for you, ive daily driven on stretched tires, full stiff coilovers, 2-way, metal bushings, ect and love it, and there are much much harsher setup 240s being daily driven in socal. People have different ideas of streetable.

[Luke]

Maybe not practical for you, ive daily driven on stretched tires, full stiff coilovers, 2-way, metal bushings, ect and love it, and there are much much harsher setup 240s being daily driven in socal. People have different ideas of streetable.

Whatever floats their boat. I of course prefer to have a comfortable ride for my significant other. I'll end up getting another daily driver and use my S13 for weekend fun.

Thanks all for the information. I ordered these wheels today with Yokohama AVS ES100 245/40/17 tires. I'll put up pics when I get them. (So exciting to see the same wheels over and over right? I really like em though)

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Modified by Luke at 9:36 AM 6/2/2005

[Luke]

I've been rockin' the steelies for way too long!

If anyone wants a set of steelies or 7 spoke SE alloys, email me at [email protected]. I'll sell one or the other since one set will become my winter wheels.

The 4x4 suspension will be replaced in a couple weeks, so don't make fun of me!

[turtl631]

You will probably have a hard time fitting 245/40 in front on s13. You will probably need to either roll your fenders or add more camber than is ideal...or both.

[Luke]

You will probably have a hard time fitting 245/40 in front on s13. You will probably need to either roll your fenders or add more camber than is ideal...or both.

I already planned to roll the fenders, everyone told me they'd fit after that... Have you had trouble like this in your experience? Please explain before i mount tires that won't work...
Modified by Luke at 11:03 AM 6/3/2005

[nismofly]

how much for the 7 spoke se alloys?

i might possibly be interested...any idea on how much it would be to ship? youre not that far from me

[Luke]

I'm going to get a good look at them this weekend and take some pics. I haven't been running them since my good tires are on the steelies. I'll let you know, email me so i don't forget. [email protected]

[turtl631]

i havent tried to fit them, but I've read a ton of fitment threads while trying to figure out what I want to do. I do know of a member here who fit that same setup but +25 on a s14. However, he said it was very close and I know the s14 has more front fender room, so I thought you may have some issues with smaller fenders and a lower offset. A lot of it depends on what camber you want to run too. Some of the mad tyte drifters run a ton of camber and then claim that stuff fits well.

[solaris22]

This pic here is what provoked my question:http://home.comcast.net/~sirdoc99/DCP_0667.JPG

He said he is running a 235/45/17 tire and that looks really tight. I'm afraid if I got a 245/40/17 it would square the tire out and create a bigger rubbing problem.

I'm a noob w/ tire and suspension so someone clear this up before I spend my hard earned $ on it. Research on forums is frustrating sometimes because of so much opinion and misinformation.

That's my car. And it's really not streched that bad. I've seen much worse. There's no way you'll fit a much larger tire under there without a decent amount of PULLING. And yes the wheel itself isn't flush in the rear, sticks out maybe 1 1/2 in or so. The ride is great in my opinion for a street/track car. It cuts corners very well with no tire or body roll on KTS coilovers. My car is daily driven btw.

PS: If you bought an s13 for comfort of your 'significant other' you bought the wrong car.
Modified by solaris22 at 4:51 PM 6/3/2005

[onosqv]

PS: If you bought an s13 for comfort of your 'significant other' you bought the wrong car.

PREACH BROTHER PREACH!

I say:

PS: If you bought an s13 for comfort... you bought the wrong car.

[Luke]

wtf are you guys talking about? my s13 is comfortable as hell, it's all relative though. i guess i'll have to send these 245's back, $hit

it figures you guys would finally answer my question after they arrive

[solaris22]

I sold a 2001 BMW 325i to get back into the S13 game. That's a comforable car. My 240...no so much

You can use the 245/40s. I kinda wish I went with those in the back. Just find a reliable shop to roll and pull your fenders. If they're really good you might not have to repaint your fenders but chances are you're going to have to.

[Luke]

I sold a 2001 BMW 325i to get back into the S13 game. That's a comforable car. My 240...no so much

You can use the 245/40s. I kinda wish I went with those in the back. Just find a reliable shop to roll and pull your fenders. If they're really good you might not have to repaint your fenders but chances are you're going to have to.

Hey I love my S13, nothing bad to say about it! Thanks for being helpful. It does look like the 245s will tuck in the back after a fender roll. The front, not so good, i held the tire up in the wheel well and while it was extremely close to the strut, it doesn't look like it would fit even with fender rolling.

What's involved in pulling the fenders? What kind of shop would normally like to do that? Should i just try to exchange 2 of the 245's for a pair of 225 and stretch those on? (does the 235 clear ok?)

[solaris22]

rolling is just the inner fender lip. Pulling is rolling untill you get a 'flair' in the fender.

[Luke]

rolling is just the inner fender lip. Pulling is rolling untill you get a 'flair' in the fender.

I know this, i'm that much of a newbie I was wondering what's the procedure to pull a fender. I remember reading it involves a torch or something. i'd try it if it wasn't too difficult.

[solaris22]

You apply heat to the fender to help avoid cracking of the paint and make the metal slightly more plyable, usually achieved by a heat gun. I've never heard of a torch.

[sixxdeuce]

I use a butane torch on all the fenders I pull, tried a heat gun first, those things suck

[chmercer]

At full size that picture, it looks as though the tire and wheel assy is actually sticking OUT from under the car, and the tire is stretched enough to bring the shoulder of the tread back in line with the fender.If that's the case then the man to ask is Chmercer.

LOL, ok hold on let me read this thread

[chmercer]

hmm ok before you ship thoes 245s back consider this.

with that suspension (the shock and spring) the tire is going to be fully exposed (ie no tucking) so i severly doubt that you will have any rubbing issues in the rear. unless you catch air or somthing you should be scott free here. you will probably want to roll the inner fender lip (push it up) to take care of any possible rubbing during compression.

in the front, you shouldnt have any problems with rubbing on the fender, but with stock fender tubs, im going to guess that you will rub a little on the liner at full lock. this is just an educated guess since i have an s14.

when looking down at the fender wells from the top of the car, with stock camber settings and fenders, the tire will probably stick out just a *little* bit. this is more of a style thing since it wont really affect much of anything. you will gain a little camber when you put thoes lowering springs on, again a shot in the dark here, itll probably put you around 1.7-1.9 camber. stock on these cars is like 1.6 right? so that might help tuck it in a little closer to the body.

cliffsnotes - i would try it, rolling fenders is an easy/cheap DIY if you have to do that, just get a jack handle or a bat or whatever. should be plenty of adjustment for your needs on the stock eccentric in the rear, and if you really want you can get camber bolts for the front, real cheap, or camber plates, a little more expensive.

[Luke]

hmm ok before you ship thoes 245s back consider this.

with that suspension (the shock and spring) the tire is going to be fully exposed (ie no tucking) so i severly doubt that you will have any rubbing issues in the rear. unless you catch air or somthing you should be scott free here. you will probably want to roll the inner fender lip (push it up) to take care of any possible rubbing during compression.

in the front, you shouldnt have any problems with rubbing on the fender, but with stock fender tubs, im going to guess that you will rub a little on the liner at full lock. this is just an educated guess since i have an s14.

when looking down at the fender wells from the top of the car, with stock camber settings and fenders, the tire will probably stick out just a *little* bit. this is more of a style thing since it wont really affect much of anything. you will gain a little camber when you put thoes lowering springs on, again a shot in the dark here, itll probably put you around 1.7-1.9 camber. stock on these cars is like 1.6 right? so that might help tuck it in a little closer to the body.

cliffsnotes - i would try it, rolling fenders is an easy/cheap DIY if you have to do that, just get a jack handle or a bat or whatever. should be plenty of adjustment for your needs on the stock eccentric in the rear, and if you really want you can get camber bolts for the front, real cheap, or camber plates, a little more expensive.

Thanks, i appreciate the advice. I don't have a lot of experience with suspension/wheels like I do with engines. I'm thinking of just mounting just two of the tires at first and test fitting them on the front. That way if it doesn't work out, i can exchange the remaining two for a more narrow tire. I'll definately try it out now, will I have a lot more trouble on the stock suspension?