tire size

[s13kouki]

I just got some 17 x 10 5zigens Fn01rc's with a +35 offset in the rear for my s13, my ? is....... the offset is what the dude from the shop told me that i would need so is that the right offset, i should of came on here first to ask but i was there and i just bought them 2nd............ what tire size would yall recomend for the wheels, just a lil help for yall everything is on stock suspension, height everything stock saving for coilovers

[Exar-Kun]

WTF ever happened to grammar class?

You're comming off sounding like a complete idiot. Please use complete, correct sentances and expalin your situation. Also, please read the attention sticky.

Also, 17x10 is overkill for a S-chassis, period. You'll be inducing massive ammounts of understeer since you can't even come close to fitting that size wheel/offset on the front.

Tires size? ****- send them back and get something more correct like a 17x9 rear and 17x8 front, or 17x8 all around. If you must keep them, a 255-40-17 is about as wide/tall you can go and still keep your OD in check.

-Chet

[chmercer]

not to add fuel to the fire, seeing as how the last thing a stock s13 needs is a pair of 17x10 wheels, but there is plenty of room in the fenders for large enough front tires to justify a 10" wheel in the rear. 245/255 or 255/265 width stagger on a 9/10 pairing is not very hard to do. This is not to contradict your post chet because most of it is right in my eyes, just the "you can't even come close to fitting that size wheel/offset on the front." you can cram some big suckers up front

[InsanityInc]

even a 255 or 265 series tire is going to have to stretch to fit a 10" wide wheel.

[Exar-Kun]

not to add fuel to the fire, seeing as how the last thing a stock s13 needs is a pair of 17x10 wheels, but there is plenty of room in the fenders for large enough front tires to justify a 10" wheel in the rear. 245/255 or 255/265 width stagger on a 9/10 pairing is not very hard to do. This is not to contradict your post chet because most of it is right in my eyes, just the "you can't even come close to fitting that size wheel/offset on the front." you can cram some big suckers up front

key word here man:"Cram"

You know how I feel about altering hub stress that much, scrub radious, etc...

yes, you -can- fit a 10" wheel..but not in a high enough offset to keep all that stuff in check

-CHet

[s13kouki]

if you learn how to read seeing how you want to sound like some gay *** teacher i asked for a tire size for the rear. I didnt want any info for the fronts. Why in the hell would i want 17x 10s for the front, 2nd 17x10s are just for the pimp factor not for drift or drag or any other type of racing. Nobody around where i live has an S13 or S14 for that fact that has 17x10 in the rear, so in conclusion (Exar-kun) know what the F**k im talking bout before you reply trying to be a teacher and telling people bout grammar and sh*t like that

PS Thanks for the info, even if you are an idiot

[chmercer]

^^

who the hell do you think you are talking to here junior, chill out and think before you post. tire sizing involves the front and rear wheels. you cant just size up the rear and go slap on whatever junk you want in the front and have it handle well. you have to look at the situation as a whole. you cant just isolate one section. show a little more respect to the moderator of this forum.

[s13kouki]

Chmercer, you to dawg, ill i wanted to know was a tire size for the rears. I know that you have to consider the front when putting on a rear wheel that big but all i asked for was a tire size but all of the members who have been here for ever seem to have a smart remark bout everything, specially this cat right here (Exar Kun) ive posted before about a question and dude just has smart A$$ remarks, all you got to do is answer the question and not be a d!ck about it I thought this site was to help people not talk sh*t, yall dont even know me to be talking like to me like you everything. Now on the other hand there have been some real real cool cats on here who help you and dont talk sh*t and i appreciate them but this cat exar kun this is like 2nd or 3rd time talking like he king, now im not saying that he dont know anything cuz he probably knows a whole sh*t load but again.......dont be a d!ck. Peace

[nismofly]

1st hes just trying to keep you from royally ****ing up your car

2nd i can see a "pimp factor" if you have wheels like Charlie here, but thats not the idea behind fn01s, no matter how wide they are...they are cheap light wheels that come in good sizes and offsets for these cars

in other news they had a countach on top gear last night, and i never noticed it before but the front tires are really skinny, theres like a 100mm stagger in tire size...at least it looked that way

i immediately though of a few people on here

[chmercer]

Chmercer, you to dawg, ill i wanted to know was a tire size for the rears. I know that you have to consider the front when putting on a rear wheel that big but all i asked for was a tire size but all of the members who have been here for ever seem to have a smart remark bout everything, specially this cat right here (Exar Kun) ive posted before about a question and dude just has smart A$$ remarks, all you got to do is answer the question and not be a d!ck about it I thought this site was to help people not talk sh*t, yall dont even know me to be talking like to me like you everything. Now on the other hand there have been some real real cool cats on here who help you and dont talk sh*t and i appreciate them but this cat exar kun this is like 2nd or 3rd time talking like he king, now im not saying that he dont know anything cuz he probably knows a whole sh*t load but again.......dont be a d!ck. Peace

um ok sammy davis jr, put a 305/45 on thoes bad boys

[DOOM240sx]

Hey bro let me help you out without any smackdowns like these other chums....ide try a 255 on the rear, i just mounted up some 17x9 on my S13 with 255/40 and they fit fine. On your 10 wheel it will be a little stretched but it should work out for you. I recieved some of the same smart *** remarks so i basically went to another forum for advice. Good luck with those 10" wheels ide like to see a pic when you get them mounted.

DOOM out.

[s13kouki]

hey doom240sx, thanks for the advice man, thats all i wanted to know, not some smart *** remarks. You did what i thought people were doing on here......you helped. Anyways i wish i would of read this on friday cuz a friend told me to go with 245 45 17 so i went ahead and did it and now i regret it cuz there too tall but maybe i would of gotten the right size if i didnt get remarks from these fruits. Thanks again man for HELPING!!!! and not talking ****.

PS ill take a pic of them if you want to check em out if you can teach me how to put on here or give me your email and ill send you them, id ask on here but id probalbly get some d!ck again.

[C-Kwik]

s13kouki: if you read Chet's post he merely made a suggestion. And a valid one. Using good grammaer and proper English helps others to read and actually comprehend the post. Many people will ignore the thread rather than frustyrate themselves in trying to actually figure out what you are saying. So perhaps you might have gotten more responses if you had done so.

Also, if you read Chet's post further, he DID suggest a tire size for you. Yet you chose a different tire and now you ended up with one that doesn't fit(tallness shouldn't be an issue in your case, but you can't actually stretch a 245/45-17 onto a 10 inch wide wheel). Check the specs on your specific tire to be sure, but I can almost guarantee they won't fit.

Nismofly: A lot of mid/rear engine cars run large staggers. Since they generally have a rear weight bias and a high amount of power, to spread out the thermal loading and keep overall heat down and even with the fronts, they have to. The Enzo uses a 245F and a 345R. The Carerra GT usues a 265F and a 335R. The Carrera S uses a 235F and a 295R. A few high powered Front engine/Rear drive cars use relatively big staggers as well, but we're talking about the 4-500+ HP variety(Corvette, Viper, SLR McLaren). Most F/R cars below these kinds of HP levels probably will not be happy having more than a 20 mm difference in width.

[chmercer]

thumbs up to c-kwik's response. i just wanted to say that it is quite possible to put a 245/45 tire onto a 10" wheel, although it will kindof suck with a sidewall as big as that.

[nismofly]

Nismofly: A lot of mid/rear engine cars run large staggers. Since they generally have a rear weight bias and a high amount of power, to spread out the thermal loading and keep overall heat down and even with the fronts, they have to. The Enzo uses a 245F and a 345R. The Carerra GT usues a 265F and a 335R. The Carrera S uses a 235F and a 295R. A few high powered Front engine/Rear drive cars use relatively big staggers as well, but we're talking about the 4-500+ HP variety(Corvette, Viper, SLR McLaren). Most F/R cars below these kinds of HP levels probably will not be happy having more than a 20 mm difference in width.

oh i know that, its just people see this on an f1 car and think, "hey if it works for them it must work for me!" when in reality they couldnt be any farther from the truth

the thing i was confused about in his reaction is Chet says "you dont need 10" rears" and he gets all anal about it and talks about only getting wide wheels because theyre "pimp"

in which case i will repeat my statement in saying no matter how wide they are, fn01s are not meant to be "pimp", they are meant to be affordable wheels with good sizes that for our cars. if you want pimp, get wheels like Charlie, then get a second set of wheels that are more suited towards functionality, and sized properly for such

[InsanityInc]

in other news they had a countach on top gear last night, and i never noticed it before but the front tires are really skinny, theres like a 100mm stagger in tire size...at least it looked that way

Many high-powered RWD cars are staggered. Key word being high-powered. The larger rear tire is so that your large amount of power doesn't induce too much power oversteer. A stock 240sx isn't going to be having that problem.

[hannibal]

in other news they had a countach on top gear last night, and i never noticed it before but the front tires are really skinny, theres like a 100mm stagger in tire size...at least it looked that way

Saw that episode. Very interesting how far 'supercars' have come. I think they criticize the Countach too much. I mean the car is 20 yrs old...

[C-Kwik]

thumbs up to c-kwik's response. i just wanted to say that it is quite possible to put a 245/45 tire onto a 10" wheel, although it will kindof suck with a sidewall as big as that.

It might work, but you'ld be out of the tire manufacturer's specs and the tire may be barely hanging onto the rim. When you pull a sidewall out that much, it has a tendency to want to stretch out to a bigger diameter. Too much will allow less of the bead to make contact and potentially present a dangerous situation. Not to mention the belts and any sidewall stiffening inserts may not be designed with this kind of fitment in mind. You may be creating more heat than the tire would normally see. Whether or not a tire can actually be fitted on to the wheel is not the only thing a tire manufacturer or any safety engineer would look at.

[C-Kwik]

the thing i was confused about in his reaction is Chet says "you dont need 10" rears" and he gets all anal about it and talks about only getting wide wheels because theyre "pimp"

in which case i will repeat my statement in saying no matter how wide they are, fn01s are not meant to be "pimp", they are meant to be affordable wheels with good sizes that for our cars. if you want pimp, get wheels like Charlie, then get a second set of wheels that are more suited towards functionality, and sized properly for such

Chet never mentioned the type of wheels, only the size. Whether its an FN01, a Volk wheel, a BBS wheel, Chet's point still stands. A 10" wide wheel will likely be overkill for most 240's. Given that, it would be naive to say that most people who go with a 10" wheel on a 240 is doing it purely for performance. And that's not to say that a person may not believe that a wider wheel will net better performance. But Chet is looking at the bigger picture as he does very well with suspension discussions. Looking at how everything works as a package is much more important than looking at each component individually.

[Exar-Kun]

"Looking at how everything works as a package is much more important than looking at each component individually. "

Quote of the month for me. Nicely said. Combining parts based on usage (hence the attention sticky), chassis, weight, power, current problems/attributes, and other factors (suspension type, drivetrain layout) will lead toa much better result than slapping things on a car with little forethought or true consideration to what the "next effect" will be.

A car is a large system of aprts, suspension, chassis, wheels, tires, hubs, drivetrain etc....modifying things without respecting this fact will lead to less performance than expected, and at a minimum a loss of lots of money.

All of which hich leads me to calrify my previous statement:

"Also, 17x10 is overkill for a S-chassis, period. You'll be inducing massive ammounts of understeer since you can't even come close to fitting that size wheel/offset on the front."

Think about it..you can't fit (resonably) a 10" wide front wheel, thusly you'd be strapping them to the rear (like you said)..taking an already understeer chassis and doig a few things:-increase heat dissipation and thusly grip (in theory) in the rear-increase the load index in the rear (assuming you run a 245-40-17 or larger) relative to the front

All of this will lead to the addition of additional load and heat capacity in the rear of the car, which will inevitably lead to steady state understeer, unless you jockey around other settings to adjust for this (tire pressure, sway bars, etc)

Thanks for all the coments, positive and negative guys. Believe it or not I am just trying to help. C-kiwck, you gonna be in pheonix?

-Chet

[skydragoness]

Haha. Wow. It never ceases to amaze me how people who don't know a lot about a certain subject, ask a question and then get defensive about the replies they get because its not what they want to hear. The truth hurts.

[s13kouki]

Sky dragoness?????? what the hell kind of name is that, a lil fruity if you ask me bu nuff bout that. Again..............how hard is it to understand that all i wanted to know was what kind of tire would i need to fit that size of wheel. I just recently found out that 255 40 17 will fit. For chmercer who said that a 245 45 wouldnt fit...... well think again cuz it does. Doesnt look great but it fits. Its just to tall of a tire. secondly...... nobody said that that the fn01rc's were the best wheel out there, truth be told its not even close but the pimp factor is the fact that you have an s13 rolling around with 10" wide wheels and like i said above where i live you dont see that type of stuff. I never onced asked that i was planning on drifting or draging or auto crossing or any other type of racing all i wanted to know was a tire size, i appreciate everyones responses even if they dont make sense but again............. all you have to do is answer a lil question and not be a d!ck. i didnt come on here to argue with people with names like sky dragoness (fruity) i came on here to get help from people who know alot bout 240's not to hear from d!ck. anyways thanks everyone except sky dragoness........you scare me bro with that name. havent checked your profile so maybe i maybe talking out of my *** but hope your a chick.

[skydragoness]

i appreciate everyones responses even if they dont make sense but again............. all you have to do is answer a lil question and not be a d!ck.

No one was ' being a d!ck.' I think if Exar Kun replied to your thread and called you a jacka$$ and never answered your question--that would be classified as being a d!ck about it. He advised against what you were doing and *still* gave you an advice about a tire size to go with *anyway*. Exar was previously employed at a tire/alignment shop and wrote/compiled most of the sticky threads you see in this forum. So he is qualified enough to give you advice.

havent checked your profile so maybe i maybe talking out of my *** but hope your a chick.

understatement of the year. your'e a smart one.

[tm_kickz]

Well since youve probably have tried to put the wheels on already, could you post pics.

[C-Kwik]

Sky dragoness?????? what the hell kind of name is that, a lil fruity if you ask me bu nuff bout that. Again..............how hard is it to understand that all i wanted to know was what kind of tire would i need to fit that size of wheel. I just recently found out that 255 40 17 will fit. For chmercer who said that a 245 45 wouldnt fit...... well think again cuz it does. Doesnt look great but it fits. Its just to tall of a tire. secondly...... nobody said that that the fn01rc's were the best wheel out there, truth be told its not even close but the pimp factor is the fact that you have an s13 rolling around with 10" wide wheels and like i said above where i live you dont see that type of stuff. I never onced asked that i was planning on drifting or draging or auto crossing or any other type of racing all i wanted to know was a tire size, i appreciate everyones responses even if they dont make sense but again............. all you have to do is answer a lil question and not be a d!ck. i didnt come on here to argue with people with names like sky dragoness (fruity) i came on here to get help from people who know alot bout 240's not to hear from d!ck. anyways thanks everyone except sky dragoness........you scare me bro with that name. havent checked your profile so maybe i maybe talking out of my *** but hope your a chick.

Well, if you must know, Skydragoness is of the "chick" species. But that really has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Lets try and stay on topic.

If you're not here to argue then take the advice given here for what it's worth. You can choose to use it or ignore it.

To summarize the advice given here:

-Return the wheel and get a better suited size.-Do not use the 245/45-17 tire, keep the wheel and go with a 255/40-17 tire.-Use the 245/45-17 tire at your own risk on the 10" wide wheel.

The best advice is probably the first. But it's your car, your money and your decision. Noone else will make it for you. Don't get upset if noone here will agree with your decision. If you feel justified in your decision, then do it. Noone here can stop you. But accept the responsibility of whatever decision you make.

[Exar-Kun]

Sky dragoness?????? what the hell kind of name is that, a lil fruity if you ask me bu nuff bout that. Again..............how hard is it to understand that all i wanted to know was what kind of tire would i need to fit that size of wheel. I just recently found out that 255 40 17 will fit. For chmercer who said that a 245 45 wouldnt fit...... well think again cuz it does. Doesnt look great but it fits. Its just to tall of a tire. secondly...... nobody said that that the fn01rc's were the best wheel out there, truth be told its not even close but the pimp factor is the fact that you have an s13 rolling around with 10" wide wheels and like i said above where i live you dont see that type of stuff. I never onced asked that i was planning on drifting or draging or auto crossing or any other type of racing all i wanted to know was a tire size, i appreciate everyones responses even if they dont make sense but again............. all you have to do is answer a lil question and not be a d!ck. i didnt come on here to argue with people with names like sky dragoness (fruity) i came on here to get help from people who know alot bout 240's not to hear from d!ck. anyways thanks everyone except sky dragoness........you scare me bro with that name. havent checked your profile so maybe i maybe talking out of my *** but hope your a chick.

Yeah, so....you got a ton of advice from people who know about 240's. Myself, SD (who is a respectable and smart female psoter who probably knows more than you), C-kwick (whom I look to for advice sometimes), CHmercer (whom I don't mesh in opinions sometiemes, but still gave the same advice here I did), etc.

All of which you refute because you were looking for affirmation of you already had decided in your head to be correct or true, and you didn't get it. Instead you got honest truth and good advice from both myself and other respected members of this forum. Please take a step back and think about how many people you have shaking their heads at you before you lash out like that.

And yes, this entire thread you've been talking out of the wrong hole...

That said, I'm going to lock this thread, and probably delete it shortly...once I get home

-Chet

[AZhitman]

Sky dragoness?????? what the hell kind of name is that, a lil fruity if you ask me bu nuff bout that.

............ all you have to do is answer a lil question and not be a d!ck. i didnt come on here to argue with people with names like sky dragoness (fruity) i came on here to get help from people who know alot bout 240's not to hear from d!ck. anyways thanks everyone except sky dragoness........you scare me bro with that name. havent checked your profile so maybe i maybe talking out of my *** but hope your a chick.

You, my friend, are an a$$hole.

Because you don't get the answer YOU wanted, you go and lose your cool on people?

You asked for advice, you got it. Are you really that sensitive to get butt-hurt that easily?

And Sky IS a girl, one that could drive circles around your punka$$. Oh, wait - I forgot - You're a "pimp".

Put your gay 10" wide rims on your 120hp S13, and go dream of being a "pimp" (God I hate that stupid-a$$ word) somewhere else.

[AZhitman]

BTW, I'm feelnig merciful, so I'm refraining from hitting the BAN button.

Consider this a lesson, when you ask a question, and you don't read the FAQ's, and then you don't like the answer you get, don't trip.

Good luck.

[azboy]

FN01R-C 17x10 +25 with 255/40 on stock s13 rear fenders



it's been awhile since i've had this setup on my car but i'm 99.9% sure a 10" +35 will clear your shocks. however you will need to roll the fender lip and 255/40 would be the largest tire you’d want to run without pulling the fenders or go overfenders.

you guys are awesome!

p.s the 10" fn01rc is way sexier then any of the 8s or 9s.

[Exar-Kun]

FN01R-C 17x10 +25 with 255/40 on stock s13 rear fenders

it's been awhile since i've had this setup on my car but i'm 99.9% sure a 10" +35 will clear your shocks. however you will need to roll the fender lip and 255/40 would be the largest tire you’d want to run without pulling the fenders or go overfenders.

you guys are awesome!

p.s the 10" fn01rc is way sexier then any of the 8s or 9s.

Yes, you -can- run a 10" wheel on the back, that's not the point of the debate. The point in the thread was that you can't do this and maintain good balance f to R. you'll have a positive offset rear, and to fit a comprabile sized wheel up......

nevermind, i've said it 4 times already. This is locked.

Nice pic though...

-Chet