Tips on Autocrossing...

Post by **WI_S14_Goldie** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:16 am

So this coming up spring, my plan is to participate in the local auto-xing events...I'm going to be using my S14... the engine mods: bolt-ons. As of right now the suspension is stock, but i have coilovers coming in Next week. I know i should upgrade my tires, but as of right now the 14 is equipped with Avid T4's size 215/16/50... which is a tad bit "bigger" than stock. Could some one tell me what class my S14 would be in? What kind of cars should i expect to compete against in that class? Browsing at some pictures i've seen how some cars lift of the ground...is this going to be a problem since i have an open diff? If you have any advice, tips, or tricks post them up!

Post by **Repo Man** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:19 am

Check it out: zer...49919

Post by **NismoDriver240** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:23 am

zeroforum/181

this section helped alot for me. the stickied F.A.Q is good. im lookin into autocross this spring as well. your lookin like a stock class unless by "bolt on" you mean turbo. also check out scca's FAQ http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/faq/auto.htm

good luck!!

Post by **WI_S14_Goldie** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:31 am

NismoDriver240 wrote:zeroforum/181

this section helped alot for me. the stickied F.A.Q is good. im lookin into autocross this spring as well. your lookin like a stock class unless by "bolt on" you mean turbo. also check out scca's FAQ http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/faq/auto.htm

good luck!!

by bolt-on's i mean i/h/e...but thanks for links...anyone have tips for a beggining newb?

Post by **Slappy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:06 am

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets.html

Post by **Repo Man** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:39 am

Power mods are the last thing I would do to a 240 to make it an autoxer.

Post by **Atreyu** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:41 am

Yeah, I wouldn't be throwing a lot of power mods to your 240 if you're going to AutoX.

You'll just be making things more difficult on yourself. :/

Post by **NismoDriver240** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:48 am

WI_S14_Goldie wrote:by bolt-on's i mean i/h/e...but thanks for links...anyone have tips for a beggining newb?

you wont be in stock cuz you have header back. if im not mistaken you'd be in a class between stock and the next one up, im sorry i dont know off-hand, double check the FAQ from ssc. they made a new class in the middle. unless you put on stock heads and only have aftermarket cat-back. then youd be back down to stock

Post by **nightkid86** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:58 am

Sounds like you would probably be in STS.

Unless you are competing for points, don't worry about having too many power mods. You won't be as competitive in your class, but unless you are trying to make it to all the events it doesn't really matter anyways. Just have fun!

Post by **nightkid86** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:59 am

In STS you will probably be going against integras, older scoobies, and some hondas and mazdas aswell as random other cars.

Post by **WI_S14_Goldie** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:25 pm

Yeah my main goal this year is to have fun/experience with the car...i've had it for over 2 years now and autocrossing was always something i wanted to do. I don't plan on being too compeitative this season, since i'm still new to this specific "game". Are most of u guys equipped with lSD? I've been browsing online pics of autoxing events and i've seen how some cars lift off the ground! THat's gonna suck major ballz for me since i'm running on an open differential...

Post by **glitched** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:43 pm

Where you planning on autocrossing at?

your talking to a Madison WI autocross season point champion here

First thing I would do is register at myautoevents.com the site has been very valuable to me in planning my seasons and finding new events. It will help you get and stay involved.

Second thing i would do is upgrade your tires. If you keep the same wheels get some Bridgestone RE01R's if you get bigger wheels I would get ADvan Neova's

Just remember that we have two separate sanctioning bodies around here, scca and Midwest council with different rule sets.

at events hosted by clubs of the Midwest council you will GP or DP (G prepped for cone courses D preped for high speed track autocross) and once you get the coils you will be in my class GM or DM (again, G Mod for cone courses and D mod for high speed track autocross)

For events hosted by SCCA clubs I would definately just go STS - there are some VERY strong national level drivers that show up to the scca events at Miller Park, a couple STS perfect built civics and a prelude...

If you have any other questions about local events, just ask!

Post by **glitched** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:51 pm

I've been able to find 2008 schedules for two clubs so far:

Midwest council schedule: (thes particular schedule is for high speed, on-track autocross only)You would be DP or DM for these (I will be at the black hawk farm autox and TA/DS)2008 Midwestern Council ScheduleDate Track Format Notes

April 5-6 BHF Tire Wall Day MCSCCApril 19-20 BHF DS-RaceMay 24-25-26 BHF AX-RaceJune 7-8 ACCN AX-RaceJune 28-29 BHF AX-RaceJuly 19-20 BHF DS-RaceAug 9-10 BHF AX-RaceAug 23-24 RA Race-Race ?Sept 20-21 BHF AX-RaceOct 4-5 ACCS AX-RaceOct 25-26 BHF Loooong Race

The dates are set in stone but the format is not.

and then we have a link for one of the scca club's 2008 miller park-only schedule: (STS)http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/...d.htm
Modified by glitched at 5:02 PM 2/1/2008

Post by **WI_S14_Goldie** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:56 pm

Thanks for the info glitched...I'm planning on autocrossing in West Salem. It's a small town about 20mins away from La Crosse...You should come check it out, it's a pretty neat course...they also hold them in Winona, MN which is about roughly 30 mins away. I believe SCCA hosts the events around here...What class are you in? What kind of mods do you have (tires, suspension, etc...)? You must Auto X alot to be holding the those points...What kind of cars are you competing against?

Post by **Jake's coupe** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:03 pm

TIP. stay on the track!

Post by **WI_S14_Goldie** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:29 am

Alright i've been reading the info ya gave me and i've gotta question...will having a test pipe affect my status?? Test Pipes aren't street legal, but I have one on my car right now...does anyone know if this is going to be an issue?

Post by **crackler** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:34 am

Test pipes are not legal for STS, or any street tire class. I am not sure if you would be in SM or SP.If you plan on running STS, and want to get a LSD, you can only run a vlsd, no helical are allowed. STX is where you would go with a HLSD.

Important upgrades in order.1. Seat time2. Seat time3. Seat time4. Tires, good alignment5. more seat time.6. everything else and more seat time.

learn the car in stock trim before going wild on it. the more parts you throw at it, the more adjustable stuff you put on it will just make it harder to learn the car and get it dialed in. start simple and build up from there. A good driver can drive any car fast, regardless of how much HP, what suspension, how good of tires it has. Stock, low HP cars, will separate the pretenders from the contenders.

Evo schools are great, http://autocross.com/evolution/modules/news/I have done a phase I and am going to do a phase II this year. I have learned a lot. At your first autocross, see if you can get a vet to ride with, see if you can ride with some one before hand. ask lots of question and LISTEN, at least to the fast guys. Watch what line they run. where they are slowing down, where they are pushing.

Novice handbookhttp://www.tirerack.com/featur...k.htm

Rule cheat sheethttp://kcautox.com/files/carmo...n.pdf

http://www.sierrasportscars.net/default_010.htm

Andy Hollis top 10 listhttp://www.dmvrscca.org/topten.htm

http://www.wtfstables.com/rmsoloschool/

Modified by cracker at 9:37 PM 2/5/2008
Modified by cracker at 9:39 PM 2/5/2008

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:20 am

quick threadjack

im tryin to figure out where id fit as far as class goes... im guessing stx, i have swapped out q45 cailpers and i will be running a s15 hsld

im reviewing the rules and thats what seems logical, but i see glitched has z32 brakes and suggests running in sts?

so is it legal to have a lsd and upgraded brakes in this class?

Post by **nissanman04** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:40 pm

hbpignosePA wrote:quick threadjack

im tryin to figure out where id fit as far as class goes... im guessing stx, i have swapped out q45 cailpers and i will be running a s15 hsld

im reviewing the rules and thats what seems logical, but i see glitched has z32 brakes and suggests running in sts?

so is it legal to have a lsd and upgraded brakes in this class?

STX...only stock LSD is allowed in STS.

Post by **crackler** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:11 pm

Only VLSD and open diffs are allowed in STS. If your car came from the factory with a HLSD, like the specV then its STX for juu

What nissanman said.

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:33 am

quick threadjack

im tryin to figure out where id fit as far as class goes... im guessing stx, i have swapped out q45 cailpers and i will be running a s15 hsld

im reviewing the rules and thats what seems logical, but i see glitched has z32 brakes and suggests running in sts?

so is it legal to have a lsd and upgraded brakes in this class?

Post by **crackler** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:47 pm

I am not sure about the calipers, but the HLSD would put you in STX.

are different sized calipers allowed in STX? If they are not specifically allowed, then you would be in an even higher class. maybe SM?

Post by **nissanman04** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:00 pm

cracker wrote:I am not sure about the calipers, but the HLSD would put you in STX.

are different sized calipers allowed in STX? If they are not specifically allowed, then you would be in an even higher class. maybe SM?

Caliper swaps are legal as long as the original mounting points are used.

Post by **crackler** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:31 pm

That sounds right, I forgot about the "factory mounting point" on the calipers.

So it sounds like STX then, assuming nothing else would cause any issues.

Post by **hbpignosePA** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:15 am

great thanks for the info...

i figured i was in stx, but i wanted to make sure that will work out well i think

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