timing help

[Uberck]

i have the belt at tdc and the rotor in #1 cyl position at tdc car will fire then shut off. is there certain position dist. gear must be in? what am i doing wrong

[Uberck]

bumpmore info: the main pulley is at TDC and i have the rotor in the #1 cyl position at TDC. what am i doing wrong?

[Xj220gt]

If the car is actually turning on and then shutting off:

- Check all the harness connections that you unplugged and plugged back in. - have someone start the car and push on the gas a bit to see if it stays on.- if not, swivel the alternator a bit until it does stay on.- try not to flood the engine, or it will definately not go on. - try not to kill your battery.

I had the same problem with my car after changing the timing chain. The problem was that I had not completely plugged in some plug and when I tried turning it on, it would not. the more I tried, the more I flooded the engine, so I had to wait for it to evaporate before I could try again after I had fully plugged in that plug.

ALso, how sure are you that you are at TDC and not BDC?

[Uberck]

no not electrical, i turned the crankshaft manually until i line up with top dead center pin on pully what the hell

[Xj220gt]

There are two strokes. TDC and BDC.

They will both line up with the pulley mark, but only TDC will rotate the distributor rotor towards cylinder 1.

you want the compressional stroke. (TDC)There are ways to find out what stroke you are on.

What type of work did you do to your engine that requires you to mess with the timing?

[Uberck]

timing chain, i have the pully on tdc ( which rotated rotor towards cyl #1 pos) and motor will still not start

[Xj220gt]

ok.

What exactly does the car do?

does it start and then die?does it want to start, but doesnt?

[Uberck]

What do i have to do? i turn crankshaft until rotor and and pins line up (rotor with cyl 1 pos and crankshaft with tdc) what the f***

[Uberck]

the starter turns but the motor doesnt fire

[mixeds14]

if its a dohc the lobes on the cam should point towards the out side, thats when uknow ur on TDC also there should be around 6-7 links of chain(depends on how u count them) between each mark. on the head part anyways...

also if you have all the chain marks right, make sure ur getting fire/gas

[Uberck]

the injectors and spark plugs are all new car was starting fine before i went in to remove the upper and lower guides

[Xj220gt]

The lobes should be facing out, but that doesnt mean you are at TDC, you could still be at BDC. easiest way to check is to take out cylinder 1 spark plug and have someone place their hand over it while you turn the crank. when they feel pressure, thats when you have hit your TDC stroke.

is the distributor put in exactly the same spot it was when you took it off? did you make marks and all to align it again?

[Uberck]

nope thats where i f***ed up how does the dist go back inlooks like thishttp://i36.photobucket.com/alb...0.jpg

[mixeds14]

u would of have to rotate it as u pushing it in but the totor button inside the dist has to line up with th #1 cylinder(plug in other words).it the car starts n runs rough n it wont fixed the iddle if u turn the dist, then ur about a tooth of so u just have to mess with it

[Xj220gt]

well, yeah, but it depends on a few things.

The red mark tells me that you did mark things before you took it apart?

did you check to see if the rotor was pointing to cylinder 1 before you started taking everything off?

[Uberck]

ok sweet i just decided to start over. i popped my valve cover off and removed the plug from the #1 cyl and felt for pressure. when i felt the pressure upwards i lined the pin up with the notch on the pully and the lobes are pointing outwards on the cam so im right at TDC. now what

[Xj220gt]

put the distributor in with the rotor facing towards the number 1 cylinder plug. get it as close as you can get it because it should be pointing towards it without a doubt.

edit: make sure you take into account that the distributor rotor will rotate when you insert it.

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s***ty picture or w/e, but the rotor should be facing towards cylinder one (like in the drawing....) when it is inserted.

[Xj220gt]

keep in mind that if you kept trying to start it, you might have flooded the engine and in that case, the car will not start. it will want to, but no start.

in that situation, you want to take out all the spark plugs and let the gas evaporate. I had to do that.... I let it evaporate over night, not sure how long it takes.

so if it doesnt start after you put the distributor back in and you try swiveling it, then take out the spark plugs and let the gas evaporate before you try again.

[Uberck]

ok what about the notches on the distributor though do they matter?

[Xj220gt]

Im not sure what notches you mean, but I dont think they matter. as long as the rotor faces cylinder one once it is fully inserted.

[Uberck]

thanks for all the help and info dudes im talking about these notcheshttp://img8.imageshack.us/img8...0.jpg

[Xj220gt]

No problem man. I had a hell of a time trying to get my car to start when I changed my timing chain.... some of the ppl at nico helped me out also.

Im pretty sure the marks are there to show you how much the rotor will turn when you pop it in. if you align it with the first notch, then it should turn to the second notch once it is in.

I didnt follow those marks when I changed my timing chain.... but I dont think it matters as long as the rotor points the right way.

[Uberck]

i smelled gas in the chamber so ill let the car sit for a few hours

[mixeds14]

man u dont nessecerly have to let ur car sit until the gas evaporates, its actually a bad idea because (someone correct me if im wrong) but if its floded the gas will get down to your oil n u dont want that.

what i do is take the fuse for the pump off so it dont send gas (its under the dash by the door) n take off all the sparkplugs n turn the engine till all the gas is out, u will see the gas comeout as it hits comprssion then just put new plugs n it shoul be fine.

[Uberck]

well the car started for like 3 seconds then died it bogged down slowly and then shut off. second try with throttle all the way open nothing starter turning but motor not starting man this f***ing sucks

[Uberck]

any suggestions? i dont have a car to go to work tomorrow

[mixeds14]

ur probably floding the car by steping on th trottle, take plug off again n fuse, get the gas out n put new plugs on there or clean them up then start the car with the fuel pump off so the plugs will burn the rest of the gas when it cuts off then put the fuse on n start the car

remember that if u keep floding the plug they will be good for about 2-3 start ups n thats it.

[Uberck]

so the timing is ok now at least?

[Uberck]

wait so what can i do to get gas out of the cylinders

[Xj220gt]

The only way that I know of is to take out all the spark plugs and let it evaporate over time. gas evaporates fairly quick, so you probably will not have to wait long.

EDIT:

Taking out the fuse and turning engine sounds like it would work out pretty well, but I personally still would rather let it evaporate. I dont think it is possible for gas to seek down.....