Tien / KYB's are in now..

[TXCumtrensh]

Well, i went ahead and installed the whole shabang today.. Struts, and springs

I also notice that both rear springs are loose in the perch, just enough to wiggle them back and forth.. thats with the top nut totally ran down as far as i can make it go.

Rear camber came out to -3 degrees on both sidesFront camber was -1.3 on both sidesRear toe was out to the rightFront toe was out to the right

fixed it all up, and drove it home

The drive feels decent, slightly bouncy, but its all good because the bouncyness is nothing compared to the increased handling.
Modified by TXCumtrensh at 7:08 PM 4/10/2007

[audiovisiony33]

Do you hear the noise when you turn or driving straight ? Is the part no SKN76-M1B00 ?Did you cut your bump stop ?


Modified by audiovisiony33 at 10:05 PM 2/20/2007

[TXCumtrensh]

I hear it when i turn, not straight

i need to double check the part number, but i do remember it saying "Y33" on the box... The struts fit in perfectly, exact replacement

didnt cut bump stops

[audiovisiony33]

I went through the same issue with Tein my self. Hear like pop pop/snap noise when turning into a driveway.What you are hearing is top three springs resting on each other rubbing when you turn. They might go away after a while when the coating and spring surface wears out after rubbing for sometime.If you have a Espelir dealer or Tein dealer near by go pick up a set of spring noise stopper and install them on the second coil from the top. It's a like rubber split loom that will eliminate spring rubbing noise.Tein usually come with it in brown color in most of the springs but didn't come with it for y33.


Modified by audiovisiony33 at 12:14 AM 2/23/2007

[TXCumtrensh]

Yeah, i know exactly what your talking about

Goodnews today the noise hasnt been that noticeable, i figured the springs just needed to be broken in.. going away more and more

[Falkdesigns]

Glad to hear it. I meet up with Robert the other weekend and we drove around a while, my car makes a noise on one occasion: turning up fairly steep driveways, and only while the wheel is at full lock. We think the other part of the noise could be the tension rod bushings. I replaced mine not too long ago, so maybe that's just the only time you really hear it. Otherwise it doesn't make any noises.

[BadQ45t]

I experienced that going over speed bumps right when they were mounted, it went away although I avoid speed bumps like the plague. I will have to see if it still makes that little noise and pick up the sping things you were talking about, although I have never seen a Tein spring dealer in brick and mortar before.

[TXCumtrensh]

I might have not been paying attention, due to a 24 hours of work, in the last 32 hours, But i dont recall hearing the noise... It did rain, and get super hot, and humid, so maybe the extra 30 degrees outside changed the springs enough to make them sink into place perfectly...

More testing to come... *Note, i need to order some RUCA's... -3 degrees of camber in the rear can eat up some tires..*

[TXCumtrensh]

After driving for a few weeks, i have to admit it was possibly the worst investment ive ever made..

There are definatly noises. The springs dont seat right or something, there is constantly clinking/spring compressing/decompressing clunks while turning.

Im going to be dis-assembling and finding out wtf is going on, or im going to strip, and throw this crap away

I am totally un-satisfied with this "suspension" or lack there of.

The only + of this stuff is the stance when its not moving.. everything else sucks

I suggest not even screwing with tien springs.

(KYB struts are working fine)

[maxnix]

Hopefully you can correct it. Duy's 97 Q is still down there so maybe you can look at it. I think he may be away at OCS, though.

I know he had to attack driveways and speed bumps at an angle, so I gladly went for his Eibachs since drop was about 1 inch less. No regrets and generally the car takes obstacles head on. The ride is not as cushy as it once was, but the control is way up.

[BadQ45t]

Man, something is wrong cause mine rock and it was a great investment. Even the wife thinks that it was and the car drives way better. Something is wrong.

[audiovisiony33]

Don't even waste time disassembling. I know exactly what it is.I wasted whole day with my friend who is a certified mechanic @ Lexus dealer trying to locate the noise.Spring we got said Y33 on the box but if you go to http://www.tein.co.jp the part no: SKN76-M1B00 is made for MY33 and PY33 which is called Gloria Cedric and Tein never made the spring for FGY33 according to the application chart. It means the spring was made for 6 cyl. Gloria Cedric which is about 300 lbs. lighter than FGY33 (V8 Q45). Spring fits fine but spring is not rated high enough to support the weight of FGY33 which is 300 lbs heavier.The pop noise is comming from the top three coils resting on each other sliding on metal to metal only when you turn or pull in to driveway.Go buy your self a spring noise stopper from any Tein dealer and install them on the second coil from the top. They should only cost $5.00 each.I hope you marked your suspension parts with white out or marker before you disassemble when replacing the spring. It's important to align all the spring cap and other components back to factory specs. You should have cut out marking on the top strut cap facing the fender outward on both sides.

[maxnix]

Wow, a Y33 is neither a FGY33 nor a FY33!

Someone's been reading the Nissan model charts!

But the JDM FY33 did have an option for the much lighter (all alloy) VQ30DET. So there should be some distinction for at least the front springs, not to mention the body probably weighed more with extra sound deadening and trim across the FY33 line over the pedestrian Y33.

At leaset the Y33 grilles probably weighed about the same.

[Falkdesigns]

Well, I don't exaggerate when I tell you guys I've had my Tein/KYB SR combo for nearly 3 years on my Q and have Zero regrets. I get none of the binding noise and my springs are the same part number as everyone else's. Robert drove my Q and he can verify there are no noises, only the tension rod when the wheel is fully turned and going up a drive way. I'm going to cut one coil from my springs and hope I get 1" lower. For functionality of course.

I think out of 30 or so people who bought the Teins from me, there are only about 2 or 3 who have had any problem.

[audiovisiony33]

If the complaint rate is low there is a possibility that it could be one of the few defectives in the production. I have spoken with my buddy over at Mackin Industries where I get the Volk/Rays wheels and Espelir Springs said "there is a chance that springs can be defective as well".Is there any possible way to get them exchanged for warranty Kevin ?

[TXCumtrensh]

Well tomorrow is D-Day, I pray its something easy, and stupid to fix.. The spring binding up makes some sense.

the manager is gone, so tomorrow i got open shop... Ill be ripping off the front, and giving it another once over.. and hopefully figure out wtf is going on.

[Falkdesigns]

I'll look into it Robert and see what they say, but lately my Tein source is either avoiding me, or not interested any more.

Good luck TX, I and others with the Tein/KYB SR setup just love it, honestly man, so I hope you can get it dialed in properly. The ride is nice, and there isn't any noise in my car.

[TXCumtrensh]

Unfortunatly today was raining cats and dogs in houston, and i was un-able to check the stuff out

I can definatly tell a spring poppin noise coming from the drivers front, i swear it sounds like "THUNG THUNG THUNG THUNG"... pops about 6 times from full lock left to full lock right, totally noticible, felt through the steering wheel, and seat.

[Falkdesigns]

This happens while turning the wheel, or on inclines, what exactly brings it on?

[cullenj76]

Sounds like the upper-front strut bearings are not doing their job. Maybe they were crushed during the install or installed inappropriately?

[TXCumtrensh]

This happens while turning the wheel, or on inclines, what exactly brings it on?

sitting still, in park, turning the wheel left or right, you can hear the clinking.. and this noise just arrose in the last 2 weeks.

also, as the car warms up / gets driven for a while, the noise tends to go away, as does the feeling you get in the steering wheel while turning..

Also, when i FIRST had the springs installed, i had my alignment done, it was perfect, then the spring noise started happening, and my car will pull to the left when cold (or just started to be driven after sitting still for a while), then im guessing the spring "seats" properly, and it pulls straight after that.

[Q_SHIP]

Springs are binding. What strut mounts did you use? Did you reuse the old ones or order new ones?

[Falkdesigns]

Hmm, that doesn't make sense. I'm betting it's the tension rods. Did you replace all the bushings, strut bearings, mounts, etc?

[Q_SHIP]

I was having the same issues with mine. It was all related to the strut mounts.

[Falkdesigns]

Now that does make sense. When your not moving, and you turn the wheel back and forth, the springs don't even move so I couldn't see how it's the springs. But strut mounts makes perfect sense, as do tension rod bushings.

[TXCumtrensh]

Ok, after doing some checking out today after like.. 2 weeks, I found 2 problems, one, was the sway bar endlink going into the strut was loose.. i guess i over looked it while rushing the install at work. Fixed that

Problem 2 and i can only assume its the strut mount is destroyed. The drivers side upper spring seat can be pulled down BY HAND while the car is in the air, and it is DEFINATLY noticible to move around (left to right) while pulled down, I can only assume the bearing is shot (as suggested above)



anywho, im going to replace that once i get some money in my budget for parts, and i HOPE it will get everything back to normal.

[Falkdesigns]

If this stuff gets it fixed right, I'd like you to retract your "worst investment ever made" statement. I think you take care of the mounts, and you did the endlink nut, you should have a great ride and a reasonable drop.

[TXCumtrensh]

Yeah. Im hoping so, because i DO love the way it looks.

and when all this crap is situated out, and im happy, ill just have this thread deleted.

[BadQ45t]

I replaced my strut mounts and a new other things since I had the mechanic in there already anyways. i think you found your issue out....let us know what happens when you get the issues fixed and get it all put back together.

[Falkdesigns]

I wouldn't delete this thread, this could be useful as trouble shooting for someone down the line

I also replaced strut mounts, bearings, etc. while doing the job since it's much easier to do it once, then several times, and it's all the same steps.